Vitalik codeing resume

[jubalix]

what has this guy done in codeing, maths or logic?

I have yet to find much about his abilities beyond getting people behind him

Not saying that is not a serious skill

but no so much in actually building the product.

Its sorta showing now as in the whole stable of DAO Eth not one of the programmers saw the bug (or did they)

same question raised here in more detail...
https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4opjov/the_bug_which_the_dao_hacker_exploited_was_not/

so eth have used a bolt on high level language .... this is likely to be riddled with exploits. JavaScript like which is so loosely defined its great to run anything anywhere, but as long as you don't mid restarting your browser every so often.

Mission critical not so much.

this is sorta the feel I got, and perhaps counter party forced eth to release early .... but in any even Vitilaik, is not the guy who know inmho, who he needs as coders, and what code is and does, not does he seem to have the mathematical power to undertake proofs etc. I hope I am wrong. He seems like a spokesperson, so maybe he should be CCO chief communications officer of something, but a CEO of a contracts with billions of $ on a unstoppable distributed computer needs a grade 1 + coder / mathematician / computer scientist/ computer engineer, so tjhey can personally sort through the bullshit and choose the right codeing team and approach.

[kennyP]

what has this guy done in codeing, maths or logic?

I have yet to find much about his abilities beyond getting people behind him

Not saying that is not a serious skill

but no so much in actually building the product.

Its sorta showing now as in the whole stable of DAO Eth not one of the programmers saw the bug (or did they)

VB is a good writer, a decent speaker, and was prepared to be the public face, so that made him useful, and that made him influential, and that made him rich

[jubalix]

what has this guy done in codeing, maths or logic?

I have yet to find much about his abilities beyond getting people behind him

Not saying that is not a serious skill

but no so much in actually building the product.

Its sorta showing now as in the whole stable of DAO Eth not one of the programmers saw the bug (or did they)

VB is a good writer, a decent speaker, and was prepared to be the public face, so that made him useful, and that made him influential, and that made him rich

I get that bit....but it does not equip him to pick a team of competent coders

[btctube]

I lose few btcs too because of the recent incident with DAO. I think we all can read all about him online, you can check his linkedin and the rest of his profile.
i just don't want to stalk though.

[kennyP]

what has this guy done in codeing, maths or logic?

I have yet to find much about his abilities beyond getting people behind him

Not saying that is not a serious skill

but no so much in actually building the product.

Its sorta showing now as in the whole stable of DAO Eth not one of the programmers saw the bug (or did they)

VB is a good writer, a decent speaker, and was prepared to be the public face, so that made him useful, and that made him influential, and that made him rich

I get that bit....but it does not equip him to pick a team of competent coders

Exactly, but the reason Vitalik has become so influential is because a lot of the really talented coders don't want anything to do with communication, marketing, and excessive attention, so that's why a guy like VB has risen so high, so fast. He's obviously a smart guy, but there's plenty of those around.

I agree with CIYAM:

Let me try and explain things a little better as perhaps some of my personal disappointments in these past few years tend to impact upon my posts (once you've been hounded like I have been you might also become a little bitter).

Typically software developers that work for commercial software companies (and I was such a developer for many years) are kept insulated from the financial side of said companies and even generally from the clients (I rarely ever took a support call in over 15 years of such professional work and didn't even have much email correspondence with any "end users").

As the average software developer is more of an introvert they tend to work best kept in small teams with others similar to themselves (and this is the environment they mostly prefer to be working in and the model that most successful software development companies use).

The open source movement has a bit of a different dynamic but it isn't even nearly as confused with funding dynamics as projects in this particular field have become (where investment/crowdfunding/ICO's and developers/salespeople/scammers have all become a bit of a blur).

Basically this has resulted in (genuine) developers being forced into an uncomfortable (for them) "spotlight" that includes direct contact with people who often don't even understand software development at all (but are always happy to criticise).

I used to think that the idea of having less layers was a good thing but when it comes to software development itself now I am not so sure at all (as the team of relatively unknown devs that are well looked after and insulated from the outside works better IMO).

So for a way "forward" I would suggest that devs should be managed by a development management team (maybe just one or two people can do that) whose job it is to keep the devs insulated from the outside (so they can do productive development work without the unwanted attention and pressure).

[jubalix]

its not staling if its public info

just can see he knows anything about code, or what he is talking about.

I read a few things he wrote and is seems more puff then based in logic or maths, when you examine it carefully.

[jubalix]

see I see alot of "He's obviously a smart guy"

but no evidence of that in relation to code or logic etc

sales yes. Front man yes....but you can not selected competent people if you cant code your self and it's kinda showing right now.

[kennyP]

its not staling if its public info

just can see he knows anything about code, or what he is talking about.

I read a few things he wrote and is seems more puff then based in logic or maths, when you examine it carefully.

I'm not critical of VB for not being a great coder, because that's not his major contribution.

I do think he's in the mess up to his eyeballs, and he's obviously got a massive conflict of interest. IMO he should review what happened with the NXT BTER hack. In that case NXT core dev Jean-Luc released the hard-fork code, but without any commentary at all ... he just posted the code and left it up to the 'network' to decide which way to proceed (rollback or not). That's how VB should handle this.

[jubalix]

its not staling if its public info

just can see he knows anything about code, or what he is talking about.

I read a few things he wrote and is seems more puff then based in logic or maths, when you examine it carefully.

I'm not critical of VB for not being a great coder, because that's not his major contribution.

I do think he's in the mess up to his eyeballs, and he's obviously got a massive conflict of interest. IMO he should review what happened with the NXT BTER hack. In that case NXT core dev Jean-Luc released the hard-fork code, but without any commentary at all ... he just posted the code and left it up to the 'network' to decide which way to proceed (rollback or not). That's how VB should handle this.

I am, critical, becuase how can anything he says carry weight if he does not understand how codeing works

I mean ... i had to learn, boolean logic, gate logic, build some gate logic machines, machine code, assembly, fortan, C++, JavaScript. So I understand basically what programing is and does from the ground up.

there is no way you could stand up and say X about code product, and that is exactly what Eth and DAO is without at least being able to select a group of people that can code. You also need to take a good hard look at critical parts of the code base.

[Seggbek Ur]

When will be it hard forked?

[kennyP]

I am, critical, becuase how can anything he says carry weight if he does not understand how codeing works

I mean ... i had to learn, boolean logic, gate logic, build some gate logic machines, machine code, assembly, fortan, C++, JavaScript. So I understand basically what programing is and does from the ground up.

there is no way you could stand up and say X about code product, and that is exactly what Eth and DAO is without at least being able to select a group of people that can code. You also need to take a good hard look at critical parts of the code base.

VB is a crypto evangelist, so it's OK IMO if he doesn't know the code intimately, Ethereum is more than just Vitalek, and there's plenty of other people involved at the code level.

It does matter if he starts to act like a CEO and appears to be giving 'instructions' on what should happen, especially when there's an obvious conflict of interest. That's not cool, and it could bite him in the ass badly later on.