Letter from DAO Attacker

[2dogs]

(3) the point of this pastebin is open dialog; soon we will have a smart contract to reward miners who oppose the soft fork and mines the transaction. 1 million ether + 100 btc will be shared with miners.

The pastebin is fake in the sense that it’s not a signed message from the attacker, but that doesn’t mean the message it conveys is fake, or, not from the attacker.

From interview with alleged DAO "attacker":

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/exclusive-full-interview-transcript-alleged-dao-attacker/

That's NOT the attacker.

How do you know?

[cjmoles]

Well, he would lose in court and I personally never received a "cease and desist letter."  If it forks, it's the community that's forking it....he'd have to send everybody a "cease and desist."  And, the intent of the contract is what will take precedence in a court and it was obviously not intended for the exploiter to steal all our funds. Maybe he'd get one count of wire fraud per investor frauded....He should take the profits from his ETH short and run before a hot curling iron introduces his butt hairs to a perm, IMHO!

[leopard2]

Yeah just that you cannot legally give away stolen funds...so the miners would make themselves legally vulnerable.

Vulnerable to what, a lawsuit? That's about as fanciful as the idea the daoattacker will sue the Ethereum Foundation really. It would also bring in to question the whole legality and regulation (or lack thereof) of TheDAO.

This doesn't mean I think they'll accept it of course.

If you were the boss of a large mining pool, would you accept money from that smart contract the attacker wants to set up?

You would be exposing yourself to criminal charges because you accept stolen funds, and on top, you accept stolen funds in return for mining transactions that transport further stolen funds.

For small miners, not a problem. Owners of large pools...beware of extradition. 

[yefi]

If you were the boss of a large mining pool, would you accept money from that smart contract the attacker wants to set up?

You would be exposing yourself to criminal charges because you accept stolen funds, and on top, you accept stolen funds in return for mining transactions that transport further stolen funds.

For small miners, not a problem. Owners of large pools...beware of extradition. 

I think I'd be more worried about PR than about extradition (which won't happen) and criminal charges (that won't be filed).

[manselr]

Well, he would lose in court and I personally never received a "cease and desist letter."  If it forks, it's the community that's forking it....he'd have to send everybody a "cease and desist."  And, the intent of the contract is what will take precedence in a court and it was obviously not intended for the exploiter to steal all our funds. Maybe he'd get one count of wire fraud per investor frauded....He should take the profits from his ETH short and run before a hot curling iron introduces his butt hairs to a perm, IMHO!

How would he lose? He did avid by the rules of the DAO smart contract, he did not modify anything as far as I know, so being strict the definition of decentralized smart contract, he did not do anything illegal... very tricky scenario.

[iamnotback]

Well, he would lose in court and I personally never received a "cease and desist letter."  If it forks, it's the community that's forking it....he'd have to send everybody a "cease and desist."  And, the intent of the contract is what will take precedence in a court and it was obviously not intended for the exploiter to steal all our funds. Maybe he'd get one count of wire fraud per investor frauded....He should take the profits from his ETH short and run before a hot curling iron introduces his butt hairs to a perm, IMHO!

How would he lose? He did avid by the rules of the DAO smart contract, he did not modify anything as far as I know, so being strict the definition of decentralized smart contract, he did not do anything illegal... very tricky scenario.

The argument is there is no one the court could pinpoint to enforce such a ruling on. The miners, exchanges, users, and devs would all play a role in the community outcome, yet no one can be identified as responsible for that outcome.

Whereas, if the developers and foundation push for a fork and politik for a 51% attack on the protocol, then the attacker potentially accuse them of being in control of the enterprise and sue them. So that is why I say it is very risky for them to fork. OTOH, if they don't fork, they might be vulnerable to a class action suit from the n00bs who had their ETH taken from them by the "smart" (too smart = dumb) contract. This is why I made a thread  to ask if the developers who have promoted this so carelessly without conspicuous warnings, could be in deep legal trouble now? They appear to me perhaps the easiest to target with a lawsuit, but IANAL so I am pondering what is their risk?

But note the "attacker" may have committed an illegal action or at least violated contract law, so in that case is unlikely to reveal identity and sue. Thus I was thinking the safest is to fork, but that has the risk of the n00bs potentially accusing them of being in control of the coin and class action sue them for the exchange rate losses. So it seems those who created and promoted ETH and DAO (without sufficient warnings of risks) may have a legal quagmire, but IANAL so I am just hoping they have retained adequate counsel.

Bitcoin is an interesting case here. In general, it seems to be much closer to a DAO than a DO. However, there was one incident in 2013 where the reality proved to be rather different. What happened was that an exceptional block was (at least we hope) accidentally produced, which was treated as valid according to the BitcoinQt 0.8 clients, but invalid according to the rules of BitcoinQt 0.7. The blockchain forked, with some nodes following the blockchain after this exceptional block (we’ll call this chain B1), and the other nodes that saw that block as invalid working on a separate blockchain (which we’ll call B2). Most mining pools had upgraded to BitcoinQt 0.8, so they followed B1, but most users were still on 0.7 and so followed B2. The mining pool operators came together on IRC chat, and agreed to switch their pools to mining on B2, since that outcome would be simpler for users because it would not require them to upgrade, and after six hours the B2 chain overtook B1 as a result of this deliberate action, and B1 fell away. Thus, in this case, there was a deliberate 51% attack which was seen by the community as legitimate, making Bitcoin a DO rather than a DAO. In most cases, however, this does not happen, so the best way to classify Bitcoin would be as a DAO with an imperfection in its implementation of autonomy.

[Zer0Sum]

But note the "attacker" may have committed an illegal action or at least violated contract law...

You are correct...
"The Attacker" violated contract law as the courts interpret it...
And would be convicted of a hack because "code vulnerability doesn't equal consent".

As this lawyer explains:

http://www.coindesk.com/sue-dao-hacker/

The letter itself is a rehash of a Bloomberg View article:

http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-06-17/blockchain-company-s-smart-contracts-were-dumb

If "The Attacker" was actually a Pro...
He would negotiate/compromise ETH miners by paying fees to launder the loot.

Just like Bitcoin miners launder illicit BTC for large fees on a regular basis:

http://hackingdistributed.com/2016/04/29/bitcoins-137k-jackpot/

[SoMuchDerp]

Give the attacker his coins mETH heads !

He got them fair & square.

EDIT:
And as a disclaimer i have no knowledge of any of this stuff.
I have no idea who the attacker is.
I had no idea it even happened until i read about it here.

So.. i have had nothing what so ever to do with it all.

Then shut up

Mr 1 post NOOBY account..

YOU are the one who needs to STFU.. HERO accounts here are speaking !

Maybe if you shut your mouth and opened your ears you would learn something NOOB.

LOL
noobs these days are pretty damn mouthy.. someone needs a spanking and their mouth washed out with soap.

Some snotty little shit thinks he can impune my glorious divine legendary Crypto-Cred ?
..i think not  

ok i'll play along.. I am broke and have no money.. are you done now ?
going to back up quietly into the shadows and wait to troll me some more later again ? (as usual)

you keep harping on, trying to get me to say.. what i made etc and i am not biting smart ass lol
funny you didn't figure that out 5 comments back LOL

so uhhh i am broke.. can we move on now ?
anything to contribute to the topic ?

and by the way do you see a pattern yet ?

i have had to ask you if you have something to say on topic.. and if you are done insulting me EVERY time i see your name come up here.
you do nothing but *try and Troll and usually on me.. i should go collect up the 100 insulting comments you have left me and post it for all to see as a gallery of pathetic.

each and every single time i own your ass and like a moron you keep running at me for more Mr. "Hero" member  
go back to blowing Dan's cock scammer.
and please make a bit of effort to stay on topic.. i mean even just a teeny eeeeny weeenyy tiny bit for once buddy LOL
other wise you just look like a douche.. i wouldn't even say Troll either because what you do is transparent and just sad and lame.. more like childish spamming :/

learn to realize when your out of your league and it is time to tuck your tail between your legs and skulk away scammer brat.

And yes i have do have credibility and yes i do value it more than money and have proven it by my actions in crypto endlessly.
want 6 stories of me refusing money off the top of my head verified with witnesses ?
do you have any ?

PS:
I hope you feel like a big man too for picking on someone with a disability.. i have eye problems and struggle to see to type on my keyboard
and i saw a doctor for 3 hours yesterday about it and i have to go back tomorrow morning so feel like a big man now ?

get some class..

Ok, Im sorry to hear about your problems. I really am.

But hey, heres a tip to make things better (I hope you can read this). Please do not abuse me & troll me if you want things to get better. It will get you nowhere. I can play with you all day long lol. Its me that owns your ass, not vice-versa.

- signed Hero Member (seeing as this means so much to you)

Ironic because he now bullies newbies and touts his
hero status and picks on disabilities.

[tx42]

===== BEGIN SIGNED MESSAGE =====
To the DAO and the Ethereum community,
 
I have carefully examined the code of The DAO and decided to participate after finding the feature where splitting is rewarded with additional ether. I have made use of this feature and have rightfully claimed 3,641,694 ether, and would like to thank the DAO for this reward. It is my understanding that the DAO code contains this feature to promote decentralization and encourage the creation of "child DAOs".
 
I am disappointed by those who are characterizing the use of this intentional feature as "theft". I am making use of this explicitly coded feature as per the smart contract terms and my law firm has advised me that my action is fully compliant with United States criminal and tort law. For reference please review the terms of the DAO:
 
"The terms of The DAO Creation are set forth in the smart contract code existing on the Ethereum blockchain at 0xbb9bc244d798123fde783fcc1c72d3bb8c189413. Nothing in this explanation of terms or in any other document or communication may modify or add any additional obligations or guarantees beyond those set forth in The DAO’s code. Any and all explanatory terms or descriptions are merely offered for educational purposes and do not supercede or modify the express terms of The DAO’s code set forth on the blockchain; to the extent you believe there to be any conflict or discrepancy between the descriptions offered here and the functionality of The DAO’s code at 0xbb9bc244d798123fde783fcc1c72d3bb8c189413, The DAO’s code controls and sets forth all terms of The DAO Creation."
 
A soft or hard fork would amount to seizure of my legitimate and rightful ether, claimed legally through the terms of a smart contract. Such fork would permanently and irrevocably ruin all confidence in not only Ethereum but also the in the field of smart contracts and blockchain technology. Many large Ethereum holders will dump their ether, and developers, researchers, and companies will leave Ethereum. Make no mistake: any fork, soft or hard, will further damage Ethereum and destroy its reputation and appeal.
 
I reserve all rights to take any and all legal action against any accomplices of illegitimate theft, freezing, or seizure of my legitimate ether, and am actively working with my law firm. Those accomplices will be receiving Cease and Desist notices in the mail shortly.
 
I hope this event becomes an valuable learning experience for the Ethereum community and wish you all the best of luck.
 
Yours truly,
"The Attacker"
===== END SIGNED MESSAGE =====
 
Message Hash (Keccak): 0xaf9e302a664122389d17ee0fa4394d0c24c33236143c1f26faed97ebbd017d0e
Signature: 0x5f91152a2382b4acfdbfe8ad3c6c8cde45f73f6147d39b072c81637fe81006061603908f692dc 15a1b6ead217785cf5e07fb496708d129645f3370a28922136a32

http://pastebin.com/CcGUBgDG

EDIT:  

The pastebin is fake in the sense that it’s not a signed message from the attacker, but that doesn’t mean the message it conveys is fake, or, not from the attacker.

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/exclusive-full-interview-transcript-alleged-dao-attacker/

This person is obviously not the attacker because he is much too dumb.

The real attacker knows he will never see his funds, rightfully his or not. There is too much at stake to give someone millions when it can so easily be taken away.

The real attacker also knows he must remain in hiding. He probably doesn't need to fear from vigilante justice because even Mark Karpelès walked among the Goxxed victims without fear. What the real attacker must fear is that he'll get thrown in jail for a long time. He certainly wouldn't seek remedy in the US. He will be arrested on something and then stand trial. He will be granted his request for a trial by jury. The defense will be well organized and air tight.

The prosecution will be fast and loose and have no basis in fact or reason. But they will say "computer hacker", throw out some mumbo-jumbo about technology, say the dollar value of the "crime", and the jury will unanimously convict the attacker of probably a dozen financial crimes, if he is lucky. The jury will be confused by the mumbo-jumbo, frightful that their facebook accounts will be hacked by someone like this, mad at and suspicious of smart people in general, and vaguely terrified that someone will run another plane into a building. In their subconscious response to the Pavlovian stimuli, the jury will do the cautious thing and put the bad man in jail.

So, I say it again, in case anyone missed the main point: the attacker will never be known and he will never see his funds.

[MySecondCunt]

>Who is devil then?
English is clearly not your native tongue. Not mine either, so I'll help you out here.

Your "analogy" between DAO investors and murder (and not the attacker) makes no sense, this is why I'm asking you who devil is - or simply: wth are you talking about.
Regardless of mine (and yours) English - your name, status and tone seams flame seeking troll wannabe to me and therefore I'm done feeding you.

*your
If, upon reading my post, you concluded that my intent is to draw on similarities between DAO investors and the act of murder, your lacking is deeper than poor grasp of the English language. I'll dig up the post in question... ah, hereitis!

^^
Devil's advocate here:
>it is called "experiment"
So is Bitcoin

>it is another crypto project where every newbie manual repeats:"high risk investment"
This shit don't fly IRL courts.

>it is unregulated unprotected digital universe disconnected from real world financial and legal systems
Oft-disproved argument; see: BTC

>it is all involved investors intention to make profit by smart actions at right time; "The Attaker" made best smart move and suddenly others want do change rules to reverse his result
Theft and murder may also be "smart actions at the right time," which is not to say "approved by the courts."

>they would never consider anything wrong if investment would multiply in their favour.
True, though irrelevant.

I'll tract you through this, Friend!
The analogy is being drawn between "smart actions," in this case theft and murder, and the "smart actions" of "The Attaker [sic]."
This analogy draws on a particular similarity between said sets of "smart actions."
Quiz time:
Can you guess, based on the context, the similarity I am alluding to? No? Despair not, Friendo, follow me!

The similarity lies in the fact that committing murder may serve one's enlightened self-interest at certain junctures in life. From this, one should not infer that that said "smart actions" are good, right, or would not earn you a delightful, all-expense-paid holiday at Club Fed.
Today's lesson is free, because educating the great unwashed is in my enlightened self-interest.
Because society.

>status and tone seams flame seeking troll wannabe
I tried to help you, Friend: "so I'll help you out here." Click on the fucking link.
If there are things you do not understand but would like to, don't hesitate to ask

[Spoetnik]

Give the attacker his coins mETH heads !

He got them fair & square.

EDIT:
And as a disclaimer i have no knowledge of any of this stuff.
I have no idea who the attacker is.
I had no idea it even happened until i read about it here.

So.. i have had nothing what so ever to do with it all.

Then shut up

Mr 1 post NOOBY account..

YOU are the one who needs to STFU.. HERO accounts here are speaking !

Maybe if you shut your mouth and opened your ears you would learn something NOOB.

LOL
noobs these days are pretty damn mouthy.. someone needs a spanking and their mouth washed out with soap.

Some snotty little shit thinks he can impune my glorious divine legendary Crypto-Cred ?
..i think not  

ok i'll play along.. I am broke and have no money.. are you done now ?
going to back up quietly into the shadows and wait to troll me some more later again ? (as usual)

you keep harping on, trying to get me to say.. what i made etc and i am not biting smart ass lol
funny you didn't figure that out 5 comments back LOL

so uhhh i am broke.. can we move on now ?
anything to contribute to the topic ?

and by the way do you see a pattern yet ?

i have had to ask you if you have something to say on topic.. and if you are done insulting me EVERY time i see your name come up here.
you do nothing but *try and Troll and usually on me.. i should go collect up the 100 insulting comments you have left me and post it for all to see as a gallery of pathetic.

each and every single time i own your ass and like a moron you keep running at me for more Mr. "Hero" member  
go back to blowing Dan's cock scammer.
and please make a bit of effort to stay on topic.. i mean even just a teeny eeeeny weeenyy tiny bit for once buddy LOL
other wise you just look like a douche.. i wouldn't even say Troll either because what you do is transparent and just sad and lame.. more like childish spamming :/

learn to realize when your out of your league and it is time to tuck your tail between your legs and skulk away scammer brat.

And yes i have do have credibility and yes i do value it more than money and have proven it by my actions in crypto endlessly.
want 6 stories of me refusing money off the top of my head verified with witnesses ?
do you have any ?

PS:
I hope you feel like a big man too for picking on someone with a disability.. i have eye problems and struggle to see to type on my keyboard
and i saw a doctor for 3 hours yesterday about it and i have to go back tomorrow morning so feel like a big man now ?

get some class..

Ok, Im sorry to hear about your problems. I really am.

But hey, heres a tip to make things better (I hope you can read this). Please do not abuse me & troll me if you want things to get better. It will get you nowhere. I can play with you all day long lol. Its me that owns your ass, not vice-versa.

- signed Hero Member (seeing as this means so much to you)

Ironic because he now bullies newbies and touts his
hero status and picks on disabilities.

STFU Nooby mouthy brat disabled douche.

[Searing]

Bet the DA0 etc just 'settles' with this guy for 10% of his hoard. They really can't afford to have this tied up i court for the bad press.
Would be worth a 10% hit on the DA0 rather then the other alternatives imho.

This won't happen of course....but would have been a nice/quick/dirty fix in the first 24hrs with everyone involved in the code
that got hacked going...ok oops /solved lost some ether and some credibility will learn from this and move on

but with the kinda money the guy who hacked the DA0 from what I read on his methods ...he may lose the ether...he
won't go to jail for anything imho....it was just a crummy launch to this DA0 fund imho

[glerand]

Well, he would lose in court and I personally never received a "cease and desist letter."  If it forks, it's the community that's forking it....he'd have to send everybody a "cease and desist."  And, the intent of the contract is what will take precedence in a court and it was obviously not intended for the exploiter to steal all our funds. Maybe he'd get one count of wire fraud per investor frauded....He should take the profits from his ETH short and run before a hot curling iron introduces his butt hairs to a perm, IMHO!

In the stock market, if you spread bad rumours and short the stock is a kind of inside trading and is a criminal offence.

[2dogs]

Maybe the attacker is an ex-member of this forum?


http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/