Wolf's Ethereum Kernel

[OhGodAGirl]

Just for the sake of it,for  5 390x and one 380 card he wanted 0.38 BTC.While i appreciate his work and probably his miner is good there is no way to justify mining 1 month just to get this miner(electricity is not cheap here) . 1% fee would had been a better approach in my opinion.

Whelp, looks like we won't be doing business with you again. You gave us a list of cards - I gave you an estimate. You did not state electricity was an issue; some clients don't pay for it. You didn't even try to negotiate. You just said 'no'. Fair enough. You move on - you don't come to a public forum and bitch and moan about it.

No, we won't be doing the 1% fee.

In the future, please refrain from broadcasting the details of private PM's.

For others: the price is tailored to your farm size, your current cards, and other factors. If you're interested in a quote, message Wolf0, or myself, and we'll get back to you as soon as possible.

Just for the sake of it,for  5 390x and one 380 card he wanted 0.38 BTC.While i appreciate his work and probably his miner is good there is no way to justify mining 1 month just to get this miner(electricity is not cheap here) . 1% fee would had been a better approach in my opinion.

Does he charge a flat fee or based on the number of GPU? Maybe he does not want your business so charge higher fee.

Currently, it's based on the number of GPU's for the Eth miner - however, many things factor into the decision. Return-of-investment, electricity, farm size, current budget, what cards, etc. People who are polite and kind and are long-time customers get a deal, too.

[Genoil]

Tahiti (& Pitcairn) is a (lost) battle against declining hashrate anyway. But it does still have quite a market share I guess.

[Eliovp]

Just for the sake of it,for  5 390x and one 380 card he wanted 0.38 BTC.While i appreciate his work and probably his miner is good there is no way to justify mining 1 month just to get this miner(electricity is not cheap here) . 1% fee would had been a better approach in my opinion.

Whelp, looks like we won't be doing business with you again. You gave us a list of cards - I gave you an estimate. You did not state electricity was an issue; some clients don't pay for it. You didn't even try to negotiate. You just said 'no'. Fair enough. You move on - you don't come to a public forum and bitch and moan about it.

No, we won't be doing the 1% fee.

In the future, please refrain from broadcasting the details of private PM's.

For others: the price is tailored to your farm size, your current cards, and other factors. If you're interested in a quote, message Wolf0, or myself, and we'll get back to you as soon as possible.

Just for the sake of it,for  5 390x and one 380 card he wanted 0.38 BTC.While i appreciate his work and probably his miner is good there is no way to justify mining 1 month just to get this miner(electricity is not cheap here) . 1% fee would had been a better approach in my opinion.

Does he charge a flat fee or based on the number of GPU? Maybe he does not want your business so charge higher fee.

Currently, it's based on the number of GPU's for the Eth miner - however, many things factor into the decision. Return-of-investment, electricity, farm size, current budget, what cards, etc. People who are polite and kind and are long-time customers get a deal, too.

Just a small thing what directly popped up in my mind...

What's from stopping people to say: i have 6 GPU's, while they have 600.. 0.35btc is peanuts for a farm with over 200GPU's..

Just saying..

[OhGodAGirl]

Just for the sake of it,for  5 390x and one 380 card he wanted 0.38 BTC.While i appreciate his work and probably his miner is good there is no way to justify mining 1 month just to get this miner(electricity is not cheap here) . 1% fee would had been a better approach in my opinion.

Whelp, looks like we won't be doing business with you again. You gave us a list of cards - I gave you an estimate. You did not state electricity was an issue; some clients don't pay for it. You didn't even try to negotiate. You just said 'no'. Fair enough. You move on - you don't come to a public forum and bitch and moan about it.

No, we won't be doing the 1% fee.

In the future, please refrain from broadcasting the details of private PM's.

For others: the price is tailored to your farm size, your current cards, and other factors. If you're interested in a quote, message Wolf0, or myself, and we'll get back to you as soon as possible.

Just for the sake of it,for  5 390x and one 380 card he wanted 0.38 BTC.While i appreciate his work and probably his miner is good there is no way to justify mining 1 month just to get this miner(electricity is not cheap here) . 1% fee would had been a better approach in my opinion.

Does he charge a flat fee or based on the number of GPU? Maybe he does not want your business so charge higher fee.

Currently, it's based on the number of GPU's for the Eth miner - however, many things factor into the decision. Return-of-investment, electricity, farm size, current budget, what cards, etc. People who are polite and kind and are long-time customers get a deal, too.

Just a small thing what directly popped up in my mind...

What's from stopping people to say: i have 6 GPU's, while they have 600.. 0.35btc is peanuts for a farm with over 200GPU's..

Just saying..

Nothing, sadly. A bit of research, though, on my end to ferret out the liars, and counting on the common decency of people.

[Genoil]

You should benchmark my miner in stratum mode with default farm recheck of 2000. -SC 2 may reduce CPU load a little bit. It will give more stable (and higher) output. Same goes for your fork btw.

[fr4nkthetank]

too expensive for me according to estimated prices.  For a smaller operation, ROI on this is around a year.  im basing myself on 200mhs and cost of around 0.3-0.35btc.  But its good to see people coming up with improved software.  I would suggest going the route claymore is currently doing - fee based usage.  apart from self-interest, someone may simply put the software out there.  good luck though.

[adaseb]

So its the same speed but only 4% power saved?

I assumed this miner would be like 30-50% faster.

[Dimasin]

Think is a violation against the GPL

Nope, I'm happy to provide full source to the modified Genoil miner - because all it does it load GPU binaries instead of OpenCL and pass those to the driver.

The binaries are standalone, and not covered.

Please, publish source code to the modified Genoil miner.

[Justicemaxx]

Are there any results for the 7970 and 280x?

[Dimasin]

Please, publish source code to the modified Genoil miner.

I actually haven't sold anything yet, but give me a bit, I guess I can push to my GitHub.
EDIT: https://github.com/wolf9466/ethminer-wolf -- happy?
Don't complain it doesn't work for you, because you need to bring your own binaries.

Thank! That's what I need.
Sent request price in PM.

[LeChuckDE]

planned to release a Pitcairn kernel ?
If needed could provide access to a miner with single HD7850 for testings, based on Ubuntu 15.10

cheers,

Mark

[OhGodAGirl]

Hey folks.

Wolf's Ethereum Kernel is no longer for sale to the general public, due to an exclusive purchase. We apologise for the inconvenience - thank you to everyone who was interested. I'll reply to all your inquiries individually as well as update this post. Thank you again, everyone!

[Dimasin]

Hey folks.

Wolf's Ethereum Kernel is no longer for sale to the general public, due to an exclusive purchase. We apologise for the inconvenience - thank you to everyone who was interested. I'll reply to all your inquiries individually as well as update this post. Thank you again, everyone!

Chinese miners? You're a bad bargain.

[navydude]

Thats just awful. I was kind of relying on this to help my setup. I mean you shouldn't quote a price and then say its not for sale. Its a bit disappointing really. I know there maybe people here that think its a bad deal or talk bad about it and brought it to the public forum but shouldn't hurt all of us that are interested. Guess it is what it is!

[bradleyjay]

Yeah agreed.  I inquired initially and was told that my rig was kinda too small to be worth it so I moved on.  Then they contacted me asking if I still wanted to buy it, because they've rethought their strategy and were going to sell to individuals like me and I was offered a quote which seemed reasonable.  I tried to jump on the offer but my messages went unanswered for several days.  After complaining I got another response then more multi-day silence.  Now I log in to find this message waiting for me.  So you didn't want to sell to me, then "changed your mind" and want my business, and now apparently you've changed your mind again and sold to someone else exclusively.

I honestly wish you guys the best of luck but this was a really shitty and unprofessional way to handle this whole thing.  I hope whoever you sold this to has a better experience.

[OhGodAGirl]

Thats just awful. I was kind of relying on this to help my setup. I mean you shouldn't quote a price and then say its not for sale. Its a bit disappointing really. I know there maybe people here that think its a bad deal or talk bad about it and brought it to the public forum but shouldn't hurt all of us that are interested. Guess it is what it is!

Quoting a price is just fine. Plenty of people had time to purchase it, but not a single person wanted to commit.

Allow me to give you a parallel example:

If you inquire about a car, then get a price quoted - and the next day, they say they've sold it, you cannot bitch and moan at the dealer.

And for the eventual person that will state, "But they don't run out of a certain model!"

Fine. Let's change to art. If you inquire about the price of a painting, you are quoted, and the next day it has been sold - you cannot bitch and moan at the dealer. Replace art and painting with any object and hobby of your choice, and it stands.

Yeah agreed.  I inquired initially and was told that my rig was kinda too small to be worth it so I moved on.  Then they contacted me asking if I still wanted to buy it, because they've rethought their strategy and were going to sell to individuals like me and I was offered a quote which seemed reasonable.  I tried to jump on the offer but my messages went unanswered for several days.  After complaining I got another response then more multi-day silence.  Now I log in to find this message waiting for me.  So you didn't want to sell to me, then "changed your mind" and want my business, and now apparently you've changed your mind again and sold to someone else exclusively.

I honestly wish you guys the best of luck but this was a really shitty and unprofessional way to handle this whole thing.  I hope whoever you sold this to has a better experience.

Actually, you didn't contact me (personally) until quite late - and I got back to you a day after. That's not quite a multi-day silence. I'm sorry that both Wolf0 and I can't reply to every single message on the dot, but when you're getting two-hundred plus a day on just bitcointalk, it gets a bit hectic. I have to work my way backwards from the inbox, and it takes time.

We did want to sell to you, but at first Wolf0 wanted to look for bigger farms. Then, I made the decision to sell to multiple folks - until we were approached for an exclusive deal.

My decisions are made with ONE thing in mind: ensuring Wolf0 has enough funds to live comfortably and happy. So, yes, I did make a decision to sell to them over you. I'm sorry, but that's the way the world works, and considering you were going to pay a total of 80 USD, roughly... Well, that won't cover much.

We are not professionals. I will reiterate that - we are not professionals. We are not a multimillion dollar company with employees at our beckon and call. We are two people who enjoy creating stuff together, who have a life and have other projects to work on, who have jobs and other priorities.

Everything was handled perfectly fine - we approached interested parties, considered selling, and now we've been asked to sell exclusively and since no money has changed hands, we will do so. Things like this happen, and bitching and moaning because you missed out on the sale is in poor taste. Again, I point you to the previous comparison given to navydude.

We could not reply to you until we had confirmation from other companies - which, honestly, we didn't really think we needed to announce that we were waiting on to every single person, in case no deal was going to happen.

I'm sorry you had a 'terrible' experience, and I wish you the best in the future.

Hey folks.

Wolf's Ethereum Kernel is no longer for sale to the general public, due to an exclusive purchase. We apologise for the inconvenience - thank you to everyone who was interested. I'll reply to all your inquiries individually as well as update this post. Thank you again, everyone!

Chinese miners? You're a bad bargain.

Yes, I agree, I'm a terrible bargain. I come attached to a very needy and very annoying dev. You're much better off purchasing me exclusively! ^^

[Genoil]

Hey folks.

Wolf's Ethereum Kernel is no longer for sale to the general public, due to an exclusive purchase. We apologise for the inconvenience - thank you to everyone who was interested. I'll reply to all your inquiries individually as well as update this post. Thank you again, everyone!

Congrats! I hope the deal was large enough to justify all the hard work that has gone in.

[bradleyjay]

Yeah, no sorry.  That was quite unprofessional.  Wolf0 contacted me out of the blue offering to sell his miner to me after telling me initially that it wouldn't really be worth my money.  He gave me a price quote (yes roughly $80).  There were no stipulations or other strings attached.  He asked if I still wanted to buy and gave me a price.  There was no "I'll sell to you but only if this other deal falls thru". No it's not a binding contract but if you don't understand that that's a commitment to sell something in good faith then you've got a lot to learn about business and dealing with customers.  And I did reply to wolf expressing my interest immediately upon receiving his message.  I then replied twice more because I was concerned that he wasn't getting my replies.  It was only after I complained in the forum that I received a reply from him.  And no sorry there were never any explicit instructions in the forum post or otherwise that we needed to deal directly with you rather than Wolf0.  The post said to contact either of you and since he is the developer and I initially had technical questions I addressed them to him.  I addressed my remaining questions to you after being instructed to do so.  Yes you initially responded and then went silent again.  And again there was no mention of some other deal pending.  You guys reached out to me offering to sell, and I immediately (within minutes) expressed interest.  Then you guys rescinded your offer to sell.  If you don't see how that's unprofessional then I really don't know what to tell you.

And by the way, if you're gonna balk at the $80 price, remember that's what wolf0 offered it for.  He initially told me that it wouldn't be worth it for me to buy, and I accepted that and moved on.  HE reached out to me offering to sell for that price, so if $80 isn't enough for you guys then maybe he shouldn't have offered at that price.  Again unprofessional.  And I don't really appreciate the insinuation that it's not worth it to sell to me, the little guy.  If you don't want to sell to me, fine... then don't offer.  But don't offer to sell, then complain about your own price.

Again I wish you the best of luck, and I'm sure wolf0 is a marvelous developer, but your customer service and the way this has been handled leaves a lot to be desired.

[OhGodAGirl]

Yeah, no sorry.  That was quite unprofessional.  Wolf0 contacted me out of the blue offering to sell his miner to me after telling me initially that it wouldn't really be worth my money.  He gave me a price quote (yes roughly $80).  There were no stipulations or other strings attached.  He asked if I still wanted to buy and gave me a price.  There was no "I'll sell to you but only if this other deal falls thru". No it's not a binding contract but if you don't understand that that's a commitment to sell something in good faith then you've got a lot to learn about business and dealing with customers.  And I did reply to wolf expressing my interest immediately upon receiving his message.  I then replied twice more because I was concerned that he wasn't getting my replies.  It was only after I complained in the forum that I received a reply from him.  And no sorry there were never any explicit instructions in the forum post or otherwise that we needed to deal directly with you rather than Wolf0.  The post said to contact either of you and since he is the developer and I initially had technical questions I addressed them to him.  I addressed my remaining questions to you after being instructed to do so.  Yes you initially responded and then went silent again.  And again there was no mention of some other deal pending.  You guys reached out to me offering to sell, and I immediately (within minutes) expressed interest.  Then you guys rescinded your offer to sell.  If you don't see how that's unprofessional then I really don't know what to tell you.

And by the way, if you're gonna balk at the $80 price, remember that's what wolf0 offered it for.  He initially told me that it wouldn't be worth it for me to buy, and I accepted that and moved on.  HE reached out to me offering to sell for that price, so if $80 isn't enough for you guys then maybe he shouldn't have offered at that price.  Again unprofessional.  And I don't really appreciate the insinuation that it's not worth it to sell to me, the little guy.  If you don't want to sell to me, fine... then don't offer.  But don't offer to sell, then complain about your own price.

Again I wish you the best of luck, and I'm sure wolf0 is a marvelous developer, but your customer service and the way this has been handled leaves a lot to be desired.

There is no 'customer service'. Again, to reiterate, we are not professionals - we are two people. As stated, we did not think it wise to spam a bunch of people with 'waiting on this other deal'. Also, any technical questions can be directed towards me - we are both developers, but I prefer to keep my name out of all of it. All the credit goes to Wolf0, as it always has been, and as it always will be.

It has nothing to do with 'the little guy'. It has to do with it not being useful to you. Understand that this is something made for people with thousands, upon thousands of rigs. A small wattage decrease, and a small performance increase, isn't terrifically useful for everyone.

I did not 'balk' at the 80 dollar price tag - do not put words into my mouth. I simply stated that, yes, when an offer comes for an exclusive deal, I am going to take that over an 80 dollar price - the moment I sell to you, I can no longer sell exclusively.

I made a mistake contacting you about selling after we had decided to sell to the general public - I will not do so again. My apologies.

And, last, but not least, you can bitch and complain all you want about 'customer service', but the fact remains that there is none. We are two people - that's it. We're not a company. We don't respond straight away. We're not running a business. We're just two humans, and humans are full of faults and issues.

[bradleyjay]

Well, assuming that your exclusive deal was quite lucrative if you sold to someone with thousands of rigs... I would really hope that you do get some "Customer service", because at that price point you really should have.  And again I'm not bitching that you don't want to sell to me.  Fine no problem.  All I'm saying is that you shouldn't have offered if you weren't sure.  If you were simply gauging interest then you and wolf0's contact should have said that much.


Here's the message I received from wolf0... Doesn't exactly come across as "We're gauging interest in this and may decide to sell"... No, it pretty much says "We want to sell this to you and this is the price":

Hey! You were interested in my Ethereum miner, correct? I've decided to sell to multiple folks, since there is such a high demand.

I'm currently charging 0.0635 BTC per card - so it'd be 0.12 BTC for you.

Let me know if you're interested.