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June 23, 2016, 02:27:27 PM
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Do you think direct democracy in the US (referendum etc) would be a good idea or do you think the party system (Hillary, Trump etc) is better?

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June 23, 2016, 02:29:45 PM
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Do you mean proportional representation, or the sham we have in the UK?

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June 23, 2016, 02:32:49 PM
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Do you mean proportional representation, or the sham we have in the UK?
If a referendum is mandatory for any change in a law or constitution. If citizens get more votes, would it be a good thing?

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June 23, 2016, 02:56:11 PM
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A good referendum for US is: Do you want the nationalization of FED?
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June 23, 2016, 03:04:07 PM
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There are three places for the U.S. government in America:
1. To oversee the court activities in court cases. This doesn't include to find defendants guilty or innocent. It only includes overseeing that the court acts logically and civilly in its operation.
2. To oversee corporations and other artificial entities so that they don't harm the people.
3. To protect the nation from attack.

That's it. Democracy and other things should not even play into the picture.

Let the States and local governments handle what goes on locally.

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June 23, 2016, 03:20:33 PM
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Maybe it should be ancient greece-like polis democracy?
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June 23, 2016, 05:01:30 PM
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WTF PEOPLE?Huh

There is only one answer to that for God's sake!!!! It's YES

The question Op is asking is basically:
"do you prefer to vote yourself and propose laws and chose which should be applied or to elect someone who will decide for you?"

Direct democracy is the only kind of democracy. Representative democracy is no longer needed, we can propose and vote for laws ourself now, why voting for other people, can be Trump Hilary or whoever the fuck you want, why voting for them to take decision for you??? We should all make a fucking revolution until we get the right to decide ourselves!!!

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June 23, 2016, 06:19:22 PM
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Do you think direct democracy in the US (referendum etc) would be a good idea or do you think the party system (Hillary, Trump etc) is better?
I think Direct democracy would never work, That implies every single issue going up for vote maybe a third party could win, but never does because the voters don't vote for them.
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June 23, 2016, 06:28:13 PM
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Do you think direct democracy in the US (referendum etc) would be a good idea or do you think the party system (Hillary, Trump etc) is better?
I think Direct democracy would never work, That implies every single issue going up for vote maybe a third party could win, but never does because the voters don't vote for them.
Issues could be yes/no based instead of party based, solves the third party issue.

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June 24, 2016, 09:18:36 AM
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In my opinion, the even more important question would be: Do you trust the average american to make decision for the n°1 military power in the world ?

I would trust very few population for a direct democracy.



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June 24, 2016, 10:58:31 AM
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In my opinion, the even more important question would be: Do you trust the average american to make decision for the n°1 military power in the world ?

I would trust very few population for a direct democracy.

Yes but, look at Brexit. The vote split was 17410742 to 16141241. This means that a whopping 16 million+ people will have to obey the wishes of a slightly larger majority, less than 17.5 million. Who is right?

So, do you trust the handful in the U.S. government to be able to make right decisions for 330 million? Create wars for us all over the world just so that the handful have an excuse to kill off our young men and women in the military, all the while making $billions for themselves while the rest of us live in near poverty.

With communications and transportation the way they are, don't need democracy OR the thing that we have presently. Get rid of government except to maintain order in the courts. Let the people be free except when they harm other people, and let the jury decide who is the guilty party based on the facts. Dump the rest of the stupid government that is raping and plundering us.

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In my opinion, the even more important question would be: Do you trust the average american to make decision for the n°1 military power in the world ?

I would trust very few population for a direct democracy.

But you trust fucking politicians who fucked you for decades? Yeah makes much more sense...

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June 24, 2016, 12:38:52 PM
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Direct democracy for the whole world!

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June 24, 2016, 01:51:44 PM
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Direct democracy for the whole world!
If only...
We could split the world into the different kind of population and I wouldn't have to bear with cocitizens like you ^^

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In my opinion, the even more important question would be: Do you trust the average american to make decision for the n°1 military power in the world ?

I would trust very few population for a direct democracy.

But you trust fucking politicians who fucked you for decades? Yeah makes much more sense...
Who do you guys trust to make decisions for the n°1 military power in the world ? 

The question Op is asking is basically:
"do you prefer to vote yourself and propose laws and chose which should be applied or to elect someone who will decide for you?"
Yes, this is what I'm asking



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What needs to happen is someone like a billionaire to step up outside from the donaldtrump type folks.

Who paved their grind like markcuban who is aware how politics goes, and lay a foundation down for a third party to oversight votes that and many other things how laws are passed.

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In my opinion, the even more important question would be: Do you trust the average american to make decision for the n°1 military power in the world ?

I would trust very few population for a direct democracy.

But you trust fucking politicians who fucked you for decades? Yeah makes much more sense...
This is a false dichonomy. There are plenty of possible systems requiering some kind of consensus between the people and the politicians.
Do you think people will agree on taxes increases or healthcare reduction? If the people is not able to do this kind of decisions a direct democracy is not possible. That's why I am saying that I would trust very few populations for a direct democracy system. 



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June 25, 2016, 09:57:23 PM
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In my opinion, the even more important question would be: Do you trust the average american to make decision for the n°1 military power in the world ?

I would trust very few population for a direct democracy.

But you trust fucking politicians who fucked you for decades? Yeah makes much more sense...
This is a false dichonomy. There are plenty of possible systems requiering some kind of consensus between the people and the politicians.
Do you think people will agree on taxes increases or healthcare reduction? If the people is not able to do this kind of decisions a direct democracy is not possible. That's why I am saying that I would trust very few populations for a direct democracy system. 

Thousands of examples show that people are more than willing to pay tax. If they know where the money goes and have some control on it that's all.

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