Spain calls for co-sovereignty on Gibraltar

[iCEBREAKER]

what is gibraltar's status? is it a full part of the uk or a crown dependency like the channel islands?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar

An Anglo-Dutch force captured Gibraltar from Spain in 1704 during the War of the Spanish Succession on behalf of the Habsburg pretender to the Spanish throne. The territory was subsequently ceded to Britain "in perpetuity" under the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713.

Gibraltarians overwhelmingly rejected proposals for Spanish sovereignty in a 1967 referendum and again in 2002. Under the Gibraltar constitution of 2006, Gibraltar governs its own affairs, though some powers, such as defence and foreign relations, remain the responsibility of the Government of the United Kingdom.

FYI, "in perpetuity" means "forever" not "until we change our minds."

Case closed.

If Madrid.gov wants to create conflict over Gibraltar as a distraction from their own sorry state of affairs, they will enjoy the same measure of success as the Peronistas did with the Falklands.

[mOgliE]

You do understand that UK army is shit compared to France plus Germany?

Yah, that's what the corrupt warmongering regime in Argentina told their people when they decided to invade the Falklands.

How's that working for the Peronistas?

How's that working for all the dead sailors at the bottom of the sea rotting in the wrecked Belgrano?

France won't, and German can't, do anything about Spain's hilarious request to annex Gibraltar, any more than Morocco can take the islands off its coast from Spain.

You can accept history, or you can deal with this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy_Submarine_Service#Active_submarines

Spain's armed forces are great at pushing around Africans.  Beating Her Majesty's armed forces and reversing 400 years of UK sovereignty?  Not so much....

France won't and German can't?
You think after UK leaving the EU members won't answer a call of arms from a member against UK?

Come, if you want war it's easy to go. EU was here to prevent war, so war seems like the only real possibility after leaving.

And if you like facts so much go check this ranking and tell me again that France plus Germany plus Spain is not enough to put UK back to its place.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing-europe.asp

[mOgliE]

what is gibraltar's status? is it a full part of the uk or a crown dependency like the channel islands?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar

An Anglo-Dutch force captured Gibraltar from Spain in 1704 during the War of the Spanish Succession on behalf of the Habsburg pretender to the Spanish throne. The territory was subsequently ceded to Britain "in perpetuity" under the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713.

Gibraltarians overwhelmingly rejected proposals for Spanish sovereignty in a 1967 referendum and again in 2002. Under the Gibraltar constitution of 2006, Gibraltar governs its own affairs, though some powers, such as defence and foreign relations, remain the responsibility of the Government of the United Kingdom.

FYI, "in perpetuity" means "forever" not "until we change our minds."

Case closed.

If Madrid.gov wants to create conflict over Gibraltar as a distraction from their own sorry state of affairs, they will enjoy the same measure of success as the Peronistas did with the Falklands.

Comparing Falklands to a fight against whole Europe... That's why old people shouldn't vote.

[European Central Bank]

Isn't everyone getting a little ahead of themselves predicting nuclear war here?

[iCEBREAKER]

France won't and German can't?
You think after UK leaving the EU members won't answer a call of arms from a member against UK?

Come, if you want war it's easy to go. EU was here to prevent war, so war seems like the only real possibility after leaving.

And if you like facts so much go check this ranking and tell me again that France plus Germany plus Spain is not enough to put UK back to its place.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing-europe.asp

German armed forces are neutered, per their post WW2 constitution.

France has no national interest in helping reclaim Gibraltar.  Doing so would be against it, as it goes against the principles of diplomacy to assist Spain in reneging on their perpetual concession.

UK's Navy is top notch; Thatcher saw to that after the (relative) difficulty of retaking the Falklands.

Spain's Navy would quickly join its antecedent Armada on the seafloor, in Davy Jones' Locker.

Comparing Falklands to a fight against whole Europe... That's why old people shouldn't vote.

"Whole Europe" would not help Spain go back on its word, in violation of longstanding Treaty.

[mOgliE]

Isn't everyone getting a little ahead of themselves predicting nuclear war here?

Lol, I was simply answering to the completely stupid comment of the Thatcher old fag lover suggesting the nuking of Spain ^^

Of course the idea is completely ridiculous. But an armed conflict... Well it might happen.

[mOgliE]

France won't and German can't?
You think after UK leaving the EU members won't answer a call of arms from a member against UK?

Come, if you want war it's easy to go. EU was here to prevent war, so war seems like the only real possibility after leaving.

And if you like facts so much go check this ranking and tell me again that France plus Germany plus Spain is not enough to put UK back to its place.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing-europe.asp

German armed forces are neutered, per their post WW2 constitution.

France has no national interest in helping reclaim Gibraltar.  Doing so would be against it, as it goes against the principles of diplomacy to assist Spain in reneging on their perpetual concession.

UK's Navy is top notch; Thatcher saw to that after the (relative) difficulty of retaking the Falklands.

Spain's Navy would quickly join its antecedent Armada on the seafloor, in Davy Jones' Locker.

Comparing Falklands to a fight against whole Europe... That's why old people shouldn't vote.

"Whole Europe" would not help Spain go back on its word, in violation of longstanding Treaty.

Of course, Whole Europe including France wouldn't have ANY interest in putting UK back on it's Island, showing strength of the EU, keeping the only access between Mediteranean see and Atlantic ocean inside the EU

I absolutely don't see any interest here ><

[alyssa85]

Isn't everyone getting a little ahead of themselves predicting nuclear war here?

Yup. Especially as most of the european countries are underfunding their defence budgets and begging the UK to send troops to defend against the wicked Russians.

No-one has sided with Spain over Gibraltar for over 300 years...

[iCEBREAKER]

Isn't everyone getting a little ahead of themselves predicting nuclear war here?

Yup. Especially as most of the european countries are underfunding their defence budgets and begging the UK to send troops to defend against the wicked Russians.

No-one has sided with Spain over Gibraltar for over 300 years...

AHAHAHA REKT.

These witless Millennials are the worst, no how bad "old fags" like Corbyn may be.

They're all "But muh EU    we need it to promote environmental and social and economic justice and stawp global woarming and racism!!1!  "

 

[mOgliE]

Isn't everyone getting a little ahead of themselves predicting nuclear war here?

Yup. Especially as most of the european countries are underfunding their defence budgets and begging the UK to send troops to defend against the wicked Russians.

No-one has sided with Spain over Gibraltar for over 300 years...

AHAHAHA REKT.

These witless Millennials are the worst, no how bad "old fags" like Corbyn may be.

They're all "But muh EU    we need it to promote environmental and social and economic justice and stawp global woarming and racism!!1!  "

 

Someone regretting thatcher can't even understand the concept of ideology...

[bryant.coleman]

Pff...

You do understand that UK army is shit compared to France plus Germany? And are you even aware that France got tactical nukes too? But that it doesn't need the agreement of USA to use it (contrary to UK).

EU is a military alliance before anything else. Try to attack Spain and your country will be destroyed before you can think about it again.

The British army is shit, but the Spanish army is even worse. And additionally, the Brits have nuclear weapons and the Spaniards don't even have thermobaric bombs. However, there is a geographic advantage to Spain. Gibraltar is located in the Western Mediterranean, and it will be difficult for the Brits to move their troops to Gibraltar.

[Jet Cash]

The British army is so bad that the Americans had to get them to teach them how to fight.

Unfortunately it's underfunded, and suffering from reduced resources at the moment. Maybe now that the EU won't be leeching off us, we can boost our economy by spending a bit more on our defences, and that includes the police, customs and the doctors and nurses.

[iCEBREAKER]

Pff...

You do understand that UK army is shit compared to France plus Germany? And are you even aware that France got tactical nukes too? But that it doesn't need the agreement of USA to use it (contrary to UK).

EU is a military alliance before anything else. Try to attack Spain and your country will be destroyed before you can think about it again.

The British army is shit, but the Spanish army is even worse. And additionally, the Brits have nuclear weapons and the Spaniards don't even have thermobaric bombs. However, there is a geographic advantage to Spain. Gibraltar is located in the Western Mediterranean, and it will be difficult for the Brits to move their troops to Gibraltar.

Like the foolish macho Pernonistas, some people really believe there's no iron fist in the Queen's velvet glove.  That is intentional.

BAF include SBS, SAS, and Gurkhas.  Bad idea to mess with guys with a knife named after them.



Spain isn't going to get Gibraltar.  Suggesting otherwise is just another way for sore losers whining about Brexit to express their butthurt and poutrage.  

[designerusa]

Spain is a joke now. They are not a sovereign nation. 400 years ago, the Spanish Empire was one of the largest nations in the world (w.r.t surface area and total population), although much of it was achieved as a result of butchering hundreds of millions of native Americans. Their past sins are fast catching up with them now.

i dont think their past sins will catch up with them very soon. because spain is still a powerful country so it can take over gibraltar. i think we will see its happening very soon.

[iCEBREAKER]

spain is still a powerful country so it can take over gibraltar. i think we will see its happening very soon.

It's more likely Spain will be taken over by Morocco and go back to being Andalusia.  

[Fortify]

Nothing is going to happen to Gibraltor. Even if we leave the EU - we are still friends and will continue to trade with these countries. Gibraltor has always been a source of friction between Spain and the UK, but even if it meant fighting all of Europe, it's not joining Spain unless the people voted for it. This means, if someone invaded Gibraltor (a hostile act) then a hostile act would return it to the UK. No nukes need to be involved. Calm down guys.

You know who else takes over countries that didn't want it? Dictatorships. So if you want to prove that the EU is everything that the British people voted against, go for it.

[mOgliE]

Pff...

You do understand that UK army is shit compared to France plus Germany? And are you even aware that France got tactical nukes too? But that it doesn't need the agreement of USA to use it (contrary to UK).

EU is a military alliance before anything else. Try to attack Spain and your country will be destroyed before you can think about it again.

The British army is shit, but the Spanish army is even worse. And additionally, the Brits have nuclear weapons and the Spaniards don't even have thermobaric bombs. However, there is a geographic advantage to Spain. Gibraltar is located in the Western Mediterranean, and it will be difficult for the Brits to move their troops to Gibraltar.

Can't anyone understand that any agression towards Spain wouldn't result in a Spain - UK conflict but in a EU - UK conflict. And EU has nuclear power and doesn't need USA agreements to use it.

[iCEBREAKER]

Can't anyone understand that any agression towards Spain wouldn't result in a Spain - UK conflict but in a EU - UK conflict. And EU has nuclear power and doesn't need USA agreements to use it.

Spain would be the aggressor if they tried to take Gibraltar by force, defying the rule of law as defined by a 400 year old treaty.

It's not going to happen.  Get over it.  Britannia and America rule the waves, not Brussels.



According to legend, the Goddess's trident was bestowed upon her by the great Iron Lady and Ronaldus Maximus....

[mOgliE]

Can't anyone understand that any agression towards Spain wouldn't result in a Spain - UK conflict but in a EU - UK conflict. And EU has nuclear power and doesn't need USA agreements to use it.

Spain would be the aggressor if they tried to take Gibraltar by force, defying the rule of law as defined by a 400 year old treaty.

It's not going to happen.  Get over it.  Britannia and America rule the waves, not Brussels.

And that's mainly to prove the contrary that an agression over Gibraltar might be an excellent point.

That wouldn't even be an agression. Just a "wanna go? Ok but we keep that, we need it more".

[Fortify]

Can't anyone understand that any agression towards Spain wouldn't result in a Spain - UK conflict but in a EU - UK conflict. And EU has nuclear power and doesn't need USA agreements to use it.

You are always implying that the UK would be the aggressor here when Spain is trying to steal land. Gibraltor has been under British rule for a long time and have actively warned off Spanish attempts to interfere. The Spanish are in no position to talk - they refuse to cede territory back to Morocco which defies their "territorial integrity" angle that they are so fond of using. Spain vs UK, EU vs UK.. makes no difference to the British but it's never going to happen. If you really think France is going to start dropping nuclear bombs on the UK, you are delusional.