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June 26, 2016, 11:03:32 PM |
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/nicola-sturgeon-new-scottish-referendum-brexitNicola Sturgeon: Scottish parliament could block Brexit Scotland’s first minister says she will consider asking MSPs to vote down legislation needed for UK to leave the EU LOL! What will happen first? The UK leaving the EU or Scotland leaving the FUK?
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June 26, 2016, 11:15:57 PM |
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It's quite simple really the Free United Kingdom leaves the EU, and enters a new period of prosperity. Those who want to jump off the gravy train should be allowed to do so. Under the changed circumstances, it is right that Scotland has a referendum to drop into poverty. Personally, I will continue to buy their scotch, but not their haggis.
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June 27, 2016, 06:15:59 AM |
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no to mention that the result wont be valid without approval from london the snp don't have a majority in the scottish parliament so how the hell does she think she is going to get the referendum legislation through
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June 27, 2016, 06:37:05 AM |
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Some years ago I remember the whole mess regarding the Lisbon Treaty, like we were all doomed by that treaty which was the beginning of EU dictatorship. Now the UK leaving the EU and all the mess related.
Maybe that was the point: destroy the EU from the inside. Who better than the UK could do that?
No crisis was sufficient to destroy the EU but this was the plan all along. And now I recognize it.
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June 27, 2016, 06:51:12 AM |
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I disagree with your views. Every country has a dark chapter. Why single out UK?
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June 27, 2016, 09:31:36 AM |
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I wish things could have remained the way it was.
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June 27, 2016, 01:08:26 PM |
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I don't think the uk is any worse off then they wher, it's too early days yet. Sturgeon will definitely push for another Scottish referendum and i think it may well go in favour of independence but it would probably be a bad idea for Scotland to get into Europe even if spain or whoever it was didn't try to block it.
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June 27, 2016, 02:14:47 PM |
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The UK has never really been united. I'm English, and British is now such a devalued description, that only the immigrants seem to use it with conviction. I think the Scots, Irish, Welsh and even the Cornish seem to feel the same way. If it turns out that only England comes out of the EU, then I am happy with that. I'd be sad to lose the contributions made by the other members of the UK, but getting out of the EU and TTIP must be our number one priority. Actually this tribalism is common in many countries - look at Spain and France for example. It's even in America. When I was over there, some people would think of themselves as Texans ( for example ) first, and Americans second.
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June 27, 2016, 02:32:57 PM |
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She hasn't got the legal authority, Holyrood is a sort of glorified county council - and all her posturings in the last couple of days have been about delusions of grandeur (nothing new, she pays herself more than the Prime Minister for looking after fixed spending for the 5 million Scots, whereas the PM looks after 65 million people with responsibility for tax, defence and foreign policy). Brussels has already told her that they won't negotiate with her, and only if and when Scotland is independent will they talk to her. She doesn't want to call a referendum though because the majority of Scots say they don't want one, they want to wait to see how Brexit actually pans out before making a decision.
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June 27, 2016, 03:12:25 PM |
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I disagree with your views. Every country has a dark chapter. Why single out UK?
It doesn't look like a darker side of UK. I believe only after the proper acceptance of the getting out from the union after 2years can exactly know what happens to the growth of UK.
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June 27, 2016, 03:36:42 PM |
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Medtronic is to buy Heartware International for $1.1 billion - that's a 92% premium. It seems a lot of companies and countries believe in the future of Britain, and are prepared to invest money to be a part of it.
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June 27, 2016, 07:55:34 PM |
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I disagree with your views. Every country has a dark chapter. Why single out UK?
It doesn't look like a darker side of UK. I believe only after the proper acceptance of the getting out from the union after 2years can exactly know what happens to the growth of UK. Or sooner. The process to leave the eu can take less than 2 years. After invoking article 50 the uk and eu will negotiate the exit. 2 years is the time limit for those negotiations. If there is no agreement then the uk leaves anyway. But no one is calling for article 50 to be invoked yet. And maybe it won't ever be: http://www.vox.com/2016/6/25/12031254/no-brexit-article-50
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June 27, 2016, 08:55:49 PM |
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may be is so but my person view is different. i think it is very useful in favour of UK. although it is a tuff time for UK to stable but i am hopeful that UK will stable itself very soon.
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June 27, 2016, 09:12:36 PM |
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It's really ironic. The people who were all for the UK leaving the EU, with the intention of keeping the UK together, have caused the UK to become polarized to a degree that they could not have imagined. Like the OP said, Scotland will now definitely be pushing for independence. And people in London, don't want anything to do with leaving the EU.
Additionally, the whole world is angry at the UK's decision to leave the EU and is looking for ways to punish them financially.
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June 27, 2016, 09:29:12 PM |
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June 28, 2016, 12:02:56 AM |
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The UK has never really been united. I'm English, and British is now such a devalued description, that only the immigrants seem to use it with conviction. I think the Scots, Irish, Welsh and even the Cornish seem to feel the same way. If it turns out that only England comes out of the EU, then I am happy with that. I'd be sad to lose the contributions made by the other members of the UK, but getting out of the EU and TTIP must be our number one priority. Actually this tribalism is common in many countries - look at Spain and France for example. It's even in America. When I was over there, some people would think of themselves as Texans ( for example ) first, and Americans second.
Well, I think of myself as a man. That's it. I have no sense of belonging to whatever... Back to the subject, the problem is that the referendum made England+Scotland+Wales+Ireland even less united than they were. It wasn't easy to say how a Scot was different from an English, but Nicola Sturgeon can claim how different they are because they support the EU. Scotland is now much stronger, and that will make difficult to manage in Westminster. So something will have to break.
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June 28, 2016, 01:37:25 AM |
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I feel British and like it as a term. It offers a nice bit of dilution. I don't really relate to Englishness. I grew up in England but I've spent lots of time in Scotland and am largely Scottish but found their chippiness about everything down South pretty fucked up.
Never knew sectarianism existed up there either until I came across it which blew my mind completely. No one seems to mention that and it's a 100% non issue in England.
If Scotland does wangle an EU remain, and I really dunno how, I'll probably go for a passport as long as they don't make any demands of me. I've spent years in Europe and wish to continue doing so in the easiest manner.
This referendum is most definitely the catalyst for it all to fall apart.
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June 28, 2016, 04:24:21 AM |
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Yeah, this needs to be stamped out quick. Some people are gonna be pretty pissed when the penny drops that leaving the EU isn't going to stop immigration.
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June 28, 2016, 04:35:34 AM |
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I disagree with your views. Every country has a dark chapter. Why single out UK?
The reason all these people are doing this is because the British public hasn't voted the way others have wanted so now they're all throwing tantrums and are either acting like it's the end of the world or that anybody who voted leave is 'Xenophobic' and 'Racist'.
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June 28, 2016, 03:47:10 PM |
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I disagree with your views. Every country has a dark chapter. Why single out UK?
The reason all these people are doing this is because the British public hasn't voted the way others have wanted so now they're all throwing tantrums and are either acting like it's the end of the world or that anybody who voted leave is 'Xenophobic' and 'Racist'. Can you stop painting the picture that the whole world is calling your poor brexiters racist and xenophobes? If i run a software to search for the words racist and xenophobe on bct i will bet 5 btc that lethn is the one who uses the two words the most. It is like you try to get support by whining about how everyone is a lier by acussing you as a racist even though 99% of the time it doesnt happen .
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