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June 29, 2016, 04:28:28 PM
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To me, both sides of the trade are too risky. I wouldn't buy it - but I wouldn't short-sell it.






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June 29, 2016, 04:34:38 PM
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With the recent price decrease its a gud buy right now and I'm buying more.

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June 29, 2016, 05:00:49 PM
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With the recent price decrease its a gud buy right now and I'm buying more.

LOL delusional.  To the OP... Do NOT listen to these trolls pushing a scam that is destined to die.  BTC and LTC are the only coins..
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June 29, 2016, 05:41:43 PM
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With the recent price decrease its a gud buy right now and I'm buying more.

Good luck with your trade.






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June 29, 2016, 05:48:15 PM
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I think its better to wait more days because 10 days togo that block halving will be done in bitcoin.. so before you can start buy ethreum watch out for block halving.. if the price of ethereum is the same or it will reduce much more when the price of bitcoin is high..
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June 29, 2016, 05:48:40 PM
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At a market cap of almost $1 billion, Ethereum is priced for near-perfection in execution.

But it ain't executing perfectly AT ALL.

If the Ethereum devs aren't invested in DAO, if the Foundation isn't invested, you can bet your last BTC that these guys, as curators, convinced whales to invest.  Either way, it certainly appears as though VB is acting in his financial best interests to soft-fork, hard-fork, or do whatever he can do to protect his money or his whales' money.

It's truly disgusting.  
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July 13, 2016, 03:30:57 PM
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At a market cap of almost $1 billion, Ethereum is priced for near-perfection in execution.

But it ain't executing perfectly AT ALL.

If the Ethereum devs aren't invested in DAO, if the Foundation isn't invested, you can bet your last BTC that these guys, as curators, convinced whales to invest.  Either way, it certainly appears as though VB is acting in his financial best interests to soft-fork, hard-fork, or do whatever he can do to protect his money or his whales' money.

It's truly disgusting.  

It is difficult to say. I have not invested in DAO. But I still think getting back stolen money is good for the health of Etheruem.

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July 13, 2016, 03:34:51 PM
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If you waited this long, you might as well keep waiting until after the fork. None of us know what's going to happen, but we all have an inkling that the price will be going down, at least short term. You could buy prematurely, but why take the risk?
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July 13, 2016, 03:35:28 PM
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ETH is a joke. The devs were invested in the poorly coded DAO so they push for a do-over when it fails. They rush a soft fork that turns out to be poorly coded. Now they are going to rush a hard fork and hope the third time is a charm. Amazing they turn ETH into shit over a third party screw up. I am amazed it has not tanked much harder...

I just found this:

Ethereum is a running joke among Bitcoin experts. To the clearminded, it’s failure as an “investment” was always a foregone conclusion.

Here are some bullet points in no particular order:

A. Since transitioning from academic experiment to full-blown dishonest scam, Ethereum is laughed at at Bitcoin conferences.

B. For econo-math reasons, Ethereum is incapable of supporting “oracle contracts” (of which Augur is one). tl;dr How can “Rep” have a market cap, if the operations performed by the “Rep”-holders can be perfectly copied, for free? Therefore, market cap (and, crucially, the betting security margin) will be prohibitively low.

C. When Vitalik proposed Ethereum, the technical elite of Bitcoin were so impressed that 0% of them decided to endorse/join the project (compare this to hardware wallets, colored coins, stealth addresses, sidechains, elements project [confidential transactions, tree signatures, RCLTV], lightning network, and my own project).

D. The concept “don’t roll your own crypto” is very old, constantly-reproven, and universally endorsed. Crypto takes a very long time to get right; critical errors were regularly discovered in Bitcoin (which was actually a finished software product when it was published in Jan 2009) and continue to be discovered today. However, Bitcoin at least has consistent rules, and thanks to the Soft Fork the security can at least accumulate over time. With Ethereum, every contract changes the rules completely, and resets the potential chaos (For example, “Contract Z commits to ‘'’If contract X is created, auto-create the opposite of X and overfund it by Q.’’’ which disables contract X.” which leads to symmetry-gridlock).

E. Ethereum is out of money, the software will never reach a stable, usable state.

F. The Ethereum team endorses an even bigger running joke: proof of stake, which is also laughed at and compared to perpetual motion. There are reasons that Bitcoin embraced P2SH and LN, but rejected PoS, GHOST, etc.

G. Today, most people have still not heard of Bitcoin. Most that have, still don’t trust it. Quadruple that problem for Ethereum, as it has an even greater reliance on group(s) of people coordinating to switch to it.

H. Ethereum is strategically trapped: if they fail, the Ether will be worthless, and if they are successful, the project will be forked as a sidechain of Bitcoin (and the Ether will be worthless). They can only survive by maintaining “Goldilocks Success” and by generally being as vague as possible (which explains the overly-ambitious plans, countless buzzwords, endless promotional videos, etc).

Ethereum has only one use-case: quickly finding the most gullible “investors” people…those people who own Bitcoin but can’t think quickly enough to sort the signal from the noise.
http://bitcoinhivemind.com/blog/case-against-augur/


I am convinced, ETH is a marketing success and a total failure in the real world.

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July 13, 2016, 03:53:09 PM
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ETH is a joke. The devs were invested in the poorly coded DAO so they push for a do-over when it fails. They rush a soft fork that turns out to be poorly coded. Now they are going to rush a hard fork and hope the third time is a charm. Amazing they turn ETH into shit over a third party screw up. I am amazed it has not tanked much harder...

I just found this:

Ethereum is a running joke among Bitcoin experts. To the clearminded, it’s failure as an “investment” was always a foregone conclusion.

Here are some bullet points in no particular order:

A. Since transitioning from academic experiment to full-blown dishonest scam, Ethereum is laughed at at Bitcoin conferences.

B. For econo-math reasons, Ethereum is incapable of supporting “oracle contracts” (of which Augur is one). tl;dr How can “Rep” have a market cap, if the operations performed by the “Rep”-holders can be perfectly copied, for free? Therefore, market cap (and, crucially, the betting security margin) will be prohibitively low.

C. When Vitalik proposed Ethereum, the technical elite of Bitcoin were so impressed that 0% of them decided to endorse/join the project (compare this to hardware wallets, colored coins, stealth addresses, sidechains, elements project [confidential transactions, tree signatures, RCLTV], lightning network, and my own project).

D. The concept “don’t roll your own crypto” is very old, constantly-reproven, and universally endorsed. Crypto takes a very long time to get right; critical errors were regularly discovered in Bitcoin (which was actually a finished software product when it was published in Jan 2009) and continue to be discovered today. However, Bitcoin at least has consistent rules, and thanks to the Soft Fork the security can at least accumulate over time. With Ethereum, every contract changes the rules completely, and resets the potential chaos (For example, “Contract Z commits to ‘'’If contract X is created, auto-create the opposite of X and overfund it by Q.’’’ which disables contract X.” which leads to symmetry-gridlock).

E. Ethereum is out of money, the software will never reach a stable, usable state.

F. The Ethereum team endorses an even bigger running joke: proof of stake, which is also laughed at and compared to perpetual motion. There are reasons that Bitcoin embraced P2SH and LN, but rejected PoS, GHOST, etc.

G. Today, most people have still not heard of Bitcoin. Most that have, still don’t trust it. Quadruple that problem for Ethereum, as it has an even greater reliance on group(s) of people coordinating to switch to it.

H. Ethereum is strategically trapped: if they fail, the Ether will be worthless, and if they are successful, the project will be forked as a sidechain of Bitcoin (and the Ether will be worthless). They can only survive by maintaining “Goldilocks Success” and by generally being as vague as possible (which explains the overly-ambitious plans, countless buzzwords, endless promotional videos, etc).

Ethereum has only one use-case: quickly finding the most gullible “investors” people…those people who own Bitcoin but can’t think quickly enough to sort the signal from the noise.
http://bitcoinhivemind.com/blog/case-against-augur/


I am convinced, ETH is a marketing success and a total failure in the real world.

Slow clap. This pretty much sums up the Eth issue in plain speech. I'm not even going to bring up the centralization issues those 'oracles' bring when they report binaries to the block chain. I did not even consider the whole project could just be a sidechain, that would have made this much easier lol.

The marketing on this thing is something other coins, including bitcoin, can learn from.
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July 13, 2016, 04:14:49 PM
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with the present status of Ethereum you should only sell whatever you have and get out before bigger losses and wait for a long time and not get in even if you see a rise because that can be a dead cat bounce back because of a temporary small pump and you can actually lose money.

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July 13, 2016, 06:21:09 PM
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You should have to wait a little more, the price of ethereum is decreasing with each passing day, so wait until it reach to the bottom price and whenever you notice that ethereum has got a strong support and is now increasing, then start buying at that time.
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July 13, 2016, 09:39:57 PM
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My crystal ball sad me we need to put our buy order at 8 USD, so wait some more time you will have more coins in your bag.

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July 13, 2016, 11:35:48 PM
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It is interesting what is happening with the Eth, because despite it is well known that it is really a shitcoin, market is still speculating with it and only this illogical value falsely provided by pumpers is keeping its price high, but it would not be so difficult to see a sudden crash this same year.
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July 27, 2016, 07:03:58 PM
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There is good dramer of the Ethereum. There are two version of the Ethereum now. The ETH and the ETC.

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July 28, 2016, 03:21:33 AM
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With this recent development in the "Ethereum Showdown" it is best to avoid it for now. It is better to save all your bitcoins and wait for a better price. Everything is really crazy with all the drama.

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July 28, 2016, 06:07:27 AM
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For anyone thinking that "Ehereum is cheaper than bitcoin therefore in the future its price will be much higher, because it has room to grow and I will profit".
Seriously this is bullshit. Don't believe in scenario that ETH will grow in the similar manner bitcoin did, there is limit to Ethereum's marketing mambo jumbo.
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July 28, 2016, 06:17:31 AM
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ethereum is at a super risky stage right now, although this can mean two different things : huge profit or huge loss. so you have to decide yourself about what to do.
if you can find a good price to enter and reduce the risks then do it but otherwise this coin is super manipulated and you will lose money if go in without proper exit strategy.

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August 10, 2016, 09:33:52 AM
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ethereum is at a super risky stage right now, although this can mean two different things : huge profit or huge loss. so you have to decide yourself about what to do.
if you can find a good price to enter and reduce the risks then do it but otherwise this coin is super manipulated and you will lose money if go in without proper exit strategy.

That is good comment. I think it is better to watch the intention of the DAO hackers before entering the market.

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August 10, 2016, 09:46:29 AM
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I don't think it's the best moment, the price seems inflated.
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