financing a 'Community Miner' project; Are You In?

[Ecnad]

Ditto. I won't buy something you're not willing to explain until after I've bought it.

If this guy ^ has a project, I'll back it and buy it. A relative unknown with a zero trust score looking to do "something" nah.

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[philipma1957]

I avoided this thread  until I could decide what to write on it.

I have a very delibrate writing style I call it modified brooklynese. I misspell and don't correct all of the time.  I start sentences without caps and if you look at my posts   you would think I am a dem these and dos guy.

To the op please watch this video on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGyKg2fWehU

forget everything but one thing  did he sing the shit out of the song?

My posts are  normally like his act  and I am well like on this site because forget the picture frame  the picture is beautiful.

I have read a lot of your posts and your picture frame is fucking beautiful really pretty ,but is seems to my eyes the picture is a pile of Bull Shit.

   Here a simple pledge if a real chip builder will sell real chips to me in a small amount I will buy 10,000 usd worth of current chips and hand them to sidehack to build something.
This translates to only company at the moment bitmaintech. So anytime they want to contact me and sell me real chips in small amount I am here.   Plus I know I could get more people to toss in money I believe i could raise 50k for a chip purchase from bitmaintech, but frankly they will not sell the chips to me or anyone else .  It is quite possible they can't sell them to us and they can't tell us that.

But they read posts here and they are free to contact me if they have some new s-9 chips to sell directly to me.

[sidehack]

You know, I bet BW would sell about $50K of their 14nm ASIC. Too bad all their good info is currently behind an NDA...

[Unacceptable]

Ditto. I won't buy something you're not willing to explain until after I've bought it.

You inspired me 

[alh]

Might this whole grand adventure be better suited to an Alt Coin sub-forum?

I see mention of a new protocol and infrastructure. None of that sounds particularly Bitcoin Mining centric to me.

As I suggested when OP first showed up, he might find a more receptive audience in another sub-forum. The title doesn't really seem very accurate to the overall scope and desires he has.

Just my $.02.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Might this whole grand adventure be better suited to an Alt Coin sub-forum?

I see mention of a new protocol and infrastructure. None of that sounds particularly Bitcoin Mining centric to me.

As I suggested when OP first showed up, he might find a more receptive audience in another sub-forum. The title doesn't really seem very accurate to the overall scope and desires he has.

Just my $.02.

Exactly.
We get that blockchain technology has a myriad of uses, contract verification being just one of them.  Hell going way out, the major lighting makers are working with Public electric utilities to incorporate local blockchains to identify and verify 'smart' LED streetlight installations eg what is it, where is it (from built in GPS), when installed, etc. So far installation ID time has dropped from ~15min scanning the unit, filling in contractor information as needed. to less than 2 most of which is the lights finding/setting up a local network link.

Point is -- this is a HARDWARE section. Wrong crowd to pitch to.

[aliashraf]

Ditto. I won't buy something you're not willing to explain until after I've bought it.

Ok. you  stay out. It is not just about you. And I have no interest in convincing people who have no interest, specially when it costs me a considerable time, my valuable time.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Ditto. I won't buy something you're not willing to explain until after I've bought it.

Ok. you  stay out. It is not just about you. And I have no interest in convincing people who have no interest, specially when it costs me a considerable time, my valuable time.

You might want to look into this http://bitfury.com/content/4-press/6.20.16-trust-accelerator-release.pdf and http://www.forbes.com/sites/laurashin/2016/06/20/new-initiative-aims-to-eliminate-corruption-with-blockchain-technology/#5cd5964b1962 and lastly as a general link to all you talk about, http://bitfury.com/white-papers-research which are along the lines of what you are proposing.

Excellent reading but still way OT though.

[morantis]

forget the part of the "community" in the hardware development.  simply develop a hard core ASIC and then use the software to distribute the coins.  the software does not have to be in the miner itself either.  a simple website, backed by the same concept as a pool would be fine.  the miner drops out 0.25 BTC in three hours to a single address and then that address via scripting divides out the funds to the group.

i think the idea itself serves no other purpose than to create power groups within the field of bitcoin, but if i wanted to accomplish the feat, i would go that route and possibly embed the additional scripts within the ASIC

[aliashraf]

Your proposal is far outside my interests so I'm out.

You stay out too. I wonder why are you posting here more   ...wait ... wait ... it is the way bitcointalk people show their ineterest? gotcha it  
So we have one interested guy here, but it isn't enough to be interested dude, you should be committed as well and by committed I mean a responsible purposed and oriented person ... far from the attitudes of you people here, I'm  patient though.

[sidehack]

Don't expect commitment to an idea you haven't really explained. With the information you've given, "interest" is probably the best you'll get. If you think you need to book a convention center and wow us with a multimedia event to explain your ideas, you're definitely going to have trouble finding "committed" people here.

I think the suggestion is correct to take your ideas to not the hardware forum, since it sounds like you're mostly talking about protocols and philosophy and any kind of hardware tie-in is, at present, mostly incidental.

[morantis]

Your proposal is far outside my interests so I'm out.

You stay out too. I wonder why are you posting here more   ...wait ... wait ... it is the way bitcointalk people show their ineterest? gotcha it  
So we have one interested guy here, but it isn't enough to be interested dude, you should be committed as well and by committed I mean a responsible purposed and oriented person ... far from the attitudes of you people here, I'm  patient though.

i am not complaining, just saying that your attitude in that post seems like it will push people away.  i did not read the reply of the person that you are calling "interested" but you then deny them based on not having the proper level of "interest" in your opinion.  you are trying to sell people on a concept/model here.  the last thing you said is like a car salesman approaching someone on the lot, the person says "Hey i might buy a car today", which is a full on buying question/statement and you tell them "well we are here to sell cars to people that BUY not MIGHT BUY". i don't want to come across mean, just pump the brakes a bit here and give people some leeway to get interested.  you have an idea, you want people on board, give them someone to think about, something to chew over, don't tell them to hit the road because they did not call you the next coming Jesus for your idea

[aliashraf]

Might this whole grand adventure be better suited to an Alt Coin sub-forum?

I see mention of a new protocol and infrastructure. None of that sounds particularly Bitcoin Mining centric to me.

As I suggested when OP first showed up, he might find a more receptive audience in another sub-forum. The title doesn't really seem very accurate to the overall scope and desires he has.

Just my $.02.

No, I'm not talking of an Altcoin. I hate Altcoins. By proposing a semi-smart contract concept, I'm throwing out basic idea of the most important Alt coin, Ethereum. When you get rid of smart contract discourse, you are back to the homeland: bitcoin.

[aliashraf]

Your proposal is far outside my interests so I'm out.

You stay out too. I wonder why are you posting here more   ...wait ... wait ... it is the way bitcointalk people show their ineterest? gotcha it  
So we have one interested guy here, but it isn't enough to be interested dude, you should be committed as well and by committed I mean a responsible purposed and oriented person ... far from the attitudes of you people here, I'm  patient though.

i am not complaining, just saying that your attitude in that post seems like it will push people away.  i did not read the reply of the person that you are calling "interested" but you then deny them based on not having the proper level of "interest" in your opinion.  you are trying to sell people on a concept/model here.  the last thing you said is like a car salesman approaching someone on the lot, the person says "Hey i might buy a car today", which is a full on buying question/statement and you tell them "well we are here to sell cars to people that BUY not MIGHT BUY". i don't want to come across mean, just pump the brakes a bit here and give people some leeway to get interested.  you have an idea, you want people on board, give them someone to think about, something to chew over, don't tell them to hit the road because they did not call you the next coming Jesus for your idea

You are right, will take care more 
about something to chew ... oh, there is a lot:

1- The naming convention I have used, semi-smart contracts as a very important key
2- using and utilizing 'social capital' and 'networks of trust'
3- drawing a distinctive line between pure mathematical approach to the problem and a socioeconomic approach enriched extensively by mathematics
4- dealing with trust, promise, reputation, obligation, ... issues
5-....

believe it? I have already discussed all of these and a lot more !!

You give me half of this ideas and I'll build a full system from scratch. Unfortunately we are dealing with non-expert people which is totally disappointing and frustrating, but you are right and I need a lot more patience.

[morantis]

Might this whole grand adventure be better suited to an Alt Coin sub-forum?

I see mention of a new protocol and infrastructure. None of that sounds particularly Bitcoin Mining centric to me.

As I suggested when OP first showed up, he might find a more receptive audience in another sub-forum. The title doesn't really seem very accurate to the overall scope and desires he has.

Just my $.02.

No, I'm not talking of an Altcoin. I hate Altcoins. By proposing a semi-smart contract concept, I'm throwing out basic idea of the most important Alt coin, Ethereum. When you get rid of smart contract discourse, you are back to the homeland: bitcoin.

i missed the mention of the new protocol, that is definitely not bitcoin.  that single, what is it now 12 GB, blockchain cannot be touched by any other protocol than SHA-256.  that is the "encryption" and it cannot be "decrypted" by another means.  it would be like trying to watch a modern 3D movie with the old cyan/blue glasses, it doesn't work

i think you have so much going on in your head with this thing that it is not coming out smoothly.  also, you have the passion for your project, which is great, but don't get defensive because others aren't sharing that passion

get an old fashioned pencil and paper and write down the idea, map it out and start a new thread with a clearer roadmap, this one has gotten loaded and soaked with cross ideas and lost people

[aliashraf]

Don't expect commitment to an idea you haven't really explained. With the information you've given, "interest" is probably the best you'll get. If you think you need to book a convention center and wow us with a multimedia event to explain your ideas, you're definitely going to have trouble finding "committed" people here.

I think the suggestion is correct to take your ideas to not the hardware forum, since it sounds like you're mostly talking about protocols and philosophy and any kind of hardware tie-in is, at present, mostly incidental.

I'm not a protocol proposing guy.

Too many protocols out there and nobody even tries to understand them, thank you.

I'm concerned about leveraging ASIC technology in the interest of the small miners to keep bitcoin alive and safe. I see a very unacceptable situation regarding this and I understand there is a need for a collaborative, crowd funded action.

Meanwhile, fortunately I'm good at protocol and software design/implementation (somehow to some degree) and using bitcoin inherent potential I can design and implement a simple/practical protocol in a matter of few weeks to run a semi-autonomous decentralized organization based on a semi-smart contract infrastructure ... why? Not to sell my protocol stuff (I'm not selling any thing), to build a competitive mining solution for the community.

[aliashraf]

Might this whole grand adventure be better suited to an Alt Coin sub-forum?

I see mention of a new protocol and infrastructure. None of that sounds particularly Bitcoin Mining centric to me.

As I suggested when OP first showed up, he might find a more receptive audience in another sub-forum. The title doesn't really seem very accurate to the overall scope and desires he has.

Just my $.02.

No, I'm not talking of an Altcoin. I hate Altcoins. By proposing a semi-smart contract concept, I'm throwing out basic idea of the most important Alt coin, Ethereum. When you get rid of smart contract discourse, you are back to the homeland: bitcoin.

i missed the mention of the new protocol, that is definitely not bitcoin.  that single, what is it now 12 GB, blockchain cannot be touched by any other protocol than SHA-256.  that is the "encryption" and it cannot be "decrypted" by another means.  it would be like trying to watch a modern 3D movie with the old cyan/blue glasses, it doesn't work

i think you have so much going on in your head with this thing that it is not coming out smoothly.  also, you have the passion for your project, which is great, but don't get defensive because others aren't sharing that passion

get an old fashioned pencil and paper and write down the idea, map it out and start a new thread with a clearer roadmap, this one has gotten loaded and soaked with cross ideas and lost people

TCP/IP is a protocol and HTTP, SMTP, ... are stacked on it. Blockchain is a simple book keeping protocol plus a cryptocurrency mining algorithm, properly merged by a genius, neither this nor that is going to be changed or touched by my proposal. colored coins is a straightforward example of this, Name Coin (although being hard forked ) is another example, ....

And No! I'm not willing to make it a pure protocol proposal stuff, not interested, I prefer to remain focused on community miner hardware design and manufacturing and approach to the collaboration and crowdfunding issues caused by this incentive using my ideas about semi-smart contracts.

[aliashraf]

Ditto. I won't buy something you're not willing to explain until after I've bought it.

Ok. you  stay out. It is not just about you. And I have no interest in convincing people who have no interest, specially when it costs me a considerable time, my valuable time.

You might want to look into this http://bitfury.com/content/4-press/6.20.16-trust-accelerator-release.pdf and http://www.forbes.com/sites/laurashin/2016/06/20/new-initiative-aims-to-eliminate-corruption-with-blockchain-technology/#5cd5964b1962 and lastly as a general link to all you talk about, http://bitfury.com/white-papers-research which are along the lines of what you are proposing.

Excellent reading but still way OT though.

Thank you very much for your kindness. You are showing commitment signs, keeping on this way you will be in Rome eventually : an interested, committed hero member of bitcointalk  

I knew there is a lot of discussion and proposals out in the community related or similar to mine but other than obvious differences the most important distinctive aspect of my work is methodological.

I have noticed most of this proposed protocols remain abandoned and obsolete because of the way they are presented and their road map to  implementation.

I'm from another campus, I begin with a use case, generalize it, abstract it, model it, build a total infrastructure, protocol, naming convention, anthology, ... for it and finally implement it now just as a sample!

See? I need a sample, a use case, a damn real, too real, almost urgent use case is needed for me to move seriously, I'm not a mathematician concerned about protocols and algorithms but I'm not a technician playing with API's and stuck in simple use cases, I'm a senior software architect/engineer/ programmer who finds and implements generalized high level ideas in the context of solving real world problems.

[kilo17]

Just a quick note, I applaud your ambition and hope this works out for you.  Please be careful because what starts out as a good intention may end up being your worst nightmare.

[aliashraf]

Just a quick note, I applaud your ambition and hope this works out for you.  Please be careful because what starts out as a good intention may end up being your worst nightmare.

cheers Dr. Kilo, a +1 here. Thanks for the advice. Hero members are acting much better than the legendary ones