Self-moderated topics

[BadBear]

1. Can the OP edit the posters' posts in his thread too?

No way.

2. Are moderators able to see the posts deleted(/edited?) by the OP like they can see in normal threads?

No, we don't see deleted posts. If we want to "delete" something but keep it visible to us or other mods for whatever reason we have a trash can forum available to us we can move it to.

Perhaps that would be an easier solution than notifications or marking deleted posts, a read only subforum where all user deleted posts are moved, available for all to read.

[makomk]

I don't think the warning is clear enough, it should read something like this:

High scam risk! This is a self-moderated topic. The original poster can delete replies, including ones which point out fraud or dishonesty by them. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic.

Because on past experience that's what this is going to be used for, just like the local thread rules were.

Edit: The current warning also doesn't mention that deleted posts disappear completely, so there's no way for normal users to tell if the feature's been used to delete posts.

[grue]

I can see this being abused by scammers.

1. Create a selling/lending topic with normally unacceptable terms
2. delete any posts saying opposing you
3.
4. profit off newbies

if it wasn't self moderated, experienced members can warn new users that the lender is risky, or in case of goods/services, illegal/bogus/fake/ovepriced

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

I don't see this being used beyond the novelty factor. Most people don't even know it exists.

[Transisto]

I REALLY like this idea,

Time for people to stay on topic and back their claims.

[theymos]

What I'll probably do is have PMs be automatically sent to people who get their posts deleted.

Does deleting someone's post remove the thread from the watchlist?

No.

[TECSHARE]

THANK YOU THEYMOS!

[Zeeks]

Good for keeping trolls at bay but terrible for freedom of speech. Just delete any post questioning you. I can see it working out very badly for some types of threads which benefit greatly from open discussion.

[Entropy-uc]

I don't think the warning is clear enough, it should read something like this:

High scam risk! This is a self-moderated topic. The original poster can delete replies, including ones which point out fraud or dishonesty by them. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic.

Because on past experience that's what this is going to be used for, just like the local thread rules were.

Edit: The current warning also doesn't mention that deleted posts disappear completely, so there's no way for normal users to tell if the feature's been used to delete posts.

Makomk is 100% right.

Seriously Theymos, sometimes I wonder if you like having the forum full of scammers.  Anyone with a basic knowledge of financial history knew Pirate was a scammer.  How much more money would he have succeeded in stealing off participants here if he could delete posts, and use his cadre of believers to keep his threads at the top of the page?

[Monster Tent]

Scams can and do happen but making it easier to scam people is not cool at all.

[Jaw3bmasters]

Perhaps that would be an easier solution than notifications or marking deleted posts, a read only subforum where all user deleted posts are moved, available for all to read.

We need to somehow see deleted posts because.......

Seriously Theymos, sometimes I wonder if you like having the forum full of scammers.  Anyone with a basic knowledge of financial history knew Pirate was a scammer.  How much more money would he have succeeded in stealing of participants here if he could delete posts, and use his cadre of believers to keep his threads at the top of the page?

I can see this being abused by scammers.

1. Create a selling/lending topic with normally unacceptable terms
2. delete any posts saying opposing you
3.
4. profit off newbies

if it wasn't self moderated, experienced members can warn new users that the lender is risky, or in case of goods/services, illegal/bogus/fake/ovepriced

[grue]

Perhaps that would be an easier solution than notifications or marking deleted posts, a read only subforum where all user deleted posts are moved, available for all to read.

We need to somehow see deleted posts because.......

preferably in the self moderated topic, in bold print. that way, if someone reads the topic, sees there are 50 deleted posts, and the remaining 12 posts are all positive, they can notice.

[payb.tc]

Perhaps that would be an easier solution than notifications or marking deleted posts, a read only subforum where all user deleted posts are moved, available for all to read.

We need to somehow see deleted posts because.......

preferably in the self moderated topic, in bold print. that way, if someone reads the topic, sees there are 50 deleted posts, and the remaining 12 posts are all positive, they can notice.

wouldn't that make it way too easy to get 'legit' threads to look suspicious? just post 50 off-topic replies, wait for OP to delete them.

[theymos]

You will now receive a PM whenever someone deletes one of your replies. This includes deletions by regular moderators. I will probably extend this to other mod actions in the near future.

[Zeeks]

You will now receive a PM whenever someone deletes one of your replies. This includes deletions by regular moderators. I will probably extend this to other mod actions in the near future.

Does the PM have the text from the deleted post?

[Kluge]

Meh, really it's no different than the current local thread rules (except most people don't even know/use it). There should probably be notifications of some sort though.

Since it seems a lot of people neglected to read BB's post... a bump. There have been "local thread rules" for as long as I can remember here, and are a privilege I've used and enjoyed. Allowing OP-moderation beyond "hey theymos, some guy posted a response here saying his dick is bigger than mine, but I made a rule against that. Please delete his big dick." just makes the whole process much more efficient.

[theymos]

Does the PM have the text from the deleted post?

Yes.

[eldentyrell]

Definitely an interesting feature for a forum - will users see when posts are deleted? Maybe a message saying "poly has deleted foo's post"?

That is a really good idea.

[Maged]

So, I verified that people other than the OP aren't able to delete posts in self-moderated topics. During my cleanup of that, however, the deletion I did of the post I made on my other account (which I made because that was the easiest way to get a session ID) via my Global Moderator account resulted in this message:

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic.

I don't know whether this was intentional or not (since mods can delete posts that violate local rules even when the OP isn't around), but I thought that I'd give a heads-up.

[theymos]

So, I verified that people other than the OP aren't able to delete posts in self-moderated topics. During my cleanup of that, however, the deletion I did of the post I made on my other account (which I made because that was the easiest way to get a session ID) via my Global Moderator account resulted in this message:

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic.

I don't know whether this was intentional or not (since mods can delete posts that violate local rules even when the OP isn't around), but I thought that I'd give a heads-up.

Fixed.