I am not a libertarian, can I still use Bitcoin?

[trepper]

Waiting to exit my "newbie" condition, I have time to read the fascinating off-topic post written against Luke-Jr by ShadowOfHarbringer.
And frankly, I'm a little bit troubled.

Is it necessary to had supported Ron Paul to join the bitcoin community?
Will the bitcoin be under the ideological enforcement of Tea Party zealots?

[nobbynobbynoob]

Is it necessary to had supported Ron Paul to join the bitcoin community?
Will the bitcoin be under the ideological enforcement of Tea Party zealots?

No!

[dree12]

No. This is a myth. See this thread for a more in-depth explanation.

Whilst it is true that Bitcoiners tend to reject the Keynesian school of economics, the world's dominant school has no reason to fear Bitcoin. Bitcoin does not eliminate the Federal Reserve; rather, it contemplates it. Many Bitcoin supporters see Bitcoin not a challenge to central banks, but rather a novel way of sending currency the central banks issue. Companies like Bitpay advocate for holding zero Bitcoin, and instead using it as a system to instantly send money from one hemisphere to another.

The beauty of Bitcoin is that it can be used how one wishes. Many Bitcoin supporters identify with pro-Fed political factions, such as the Republicans. In fact, Bitcoiners represent a wide political spectrum; there are socialists, liberals, greens, libertarians, conservatives, and just about any other party represented. See this study to better reflect upon the diverse political beliefs of Bitcoiners.

In conclusion, Bitcoin is apolitical. It is fantastical to assume that all Bitcoin users identify with Ron Paul or other anti-fiat factions.

[tkbx]

Will the bitcoin be under the ideological enforcement of Tea Party zealots?

Believe it or not, us teabaggers tend to enjoy and defend freedom, hence the whole "don't tread on me" thing.

[RodeoX]

I am a liberal and I like/use bitcoin. I don't care if that's ok with anyone. 

[noob_jul11]

Will the bitcoin be under the ideological enforcement of Tea Party zealots?

Believe it or not, us teabaggers tend to enjoy and defend freedom, hence the whole "don't tread on me" thing.

Not entirely true ... "enjoy and defend freedom" only where it fits your agenda. On things that doesn't fit your agenda, it's all about govt control ...  abortion and gays / lesbians comes to mind.
IF it was truly enjoy and defend freedom like you said, what do you care what others do to their bodies and with whom they do it with??

[CoinDiver]

Is it necessary to had supported Ron Paul to join the bitcoin community?

A significant portion of early adopters did so on ideological grounds. There was little to no practical use for a very long time.

So no, you don't have to be a libertarian (or Libertarian) to use bitcoin... but without an interest in monetary policy, you won't find a lot of use in this forum after a short while.

[tkbx]

Will the bitcoin be under the ideological enforcement of Tea Party zealots?

Believe it or not, us teabaggers tend to enjoy and defend freedom, hence the whole "don't tread on me" thing.

Not entirely true ... "enjoy and defend freedom" only where it fits your agenda. On things that doesn't fit your agenda, it's all about govt control ...  abortion and gays / lesbians comes to mind.
IF it was truly enjoy and defend freedom like you said, what do you care what others do to their bodies and with whom they do it with??

You're thinking of strict conservatives. The Tea Party is part conservative, part libertarian. It's about strictly following the Constitution. The Constitution more or less says that the federal government is to stay out of your life.

As far as gay marriage, most people's only problem is because churches could be forced to perform them, because of a federal law saying you can't discriminate based on orientation. I'm fine with it if a federal law is passed (which could override the discrimination law), but until then, I don't want anyone to be forced to perform a gay marriage against everything they stand for.

As far as abortion, I think 1st trimester is fine, but by the middle of the 2nd trimester it's nearly a human. If you can't be bothered to get off your ass and get to an abortion clinic for 2 hours without procrastinating for 6 months, you don't deserve an abortion.

Thanks for assuming the worst because I don't believe what you believe.

[Jenger]

Im a liberal, voted for obama twice and I use BTC 

[Lethn]

Bitcoin is a currency and a tool, there is no political ideology behind it though one could certainly argue that politics are fueling Bitcoin to a certain extent. I'm a mixture of anarchist and libertarian beliefs but I am in no way connected to Ron Paul or the tea party. The beauty of Bitcoin is that it is governed by mathematics and not politics, many times I've been very grateful for that when I look at the stupid mob attempts on this forum to get something about it changed.

You also have other alternative currencies springing up you can use like Litecoin because of Bitcoins open source nature, but they haven't gained as much influence as Bitcoin has just yet, what you use is entirely your choice.

[rayvellest]

Surely not, all you need to use Bitcoin is the will to do so, and it seems you already have that.

[tkbx]

Bitcoin is a currency and a tool, there is no political ideology behind it though one could certainly argue that politics are fueling Bitcoin to a certain extent. I'm a mixture of anarchist and libertarian beliefs but I am in no way connected to Ron Paul or the tea party. The beauty of Bitcoin is that it is governed by mathematics and not politics, many times I've been very grateful for that when I look at the stupid mob attempts on this forum to get something about it changed.

You also have other alternative currencies springing up you can use like Litecoin because of Bitcoins open source nature, but they haven't gained as much influence as Bitcoin has just yet, what you use is entirely your choice.

Yes, it's certainly got a libertarian appeal. Technically, it's more democratic than anything. If 80% of Bitcoin's users want something changed, it will be changed whether the devs or creators like it or not.

[Richy_T]

Not entirely true ... "enjoy and defend freedom" only where it fits your agenda. On things that doesn't fit your agenda, it's all about govt control ...  abortion and gays / lesbians comes to mind.

I am no tea partier but this is a flat out lie.

[AgeraS]

Bitcoin is apolitical because it is based on voluntary interactions between people. Math does not have political preferences.

[tkbx]

Technically, it's more democratic than anything. If 80% of Bitcoin's users want something changed, it will be changed whether the devs or creators like it or not.

Not true.

In a democracy, the 20% would be forced to abide by the rules chosen by the 80%.

With Bitcoin, the 20% can keep using the old version of the protocol if they so desire.

No one can force you to accept changes you do not agree with. Now, the original protocol may end up as an obscure coin that no one else uses, but the new fork may as well.

Also, if you have coins which existed before the fork, you can choose to use both versions of the protocol at the same time!

But you will be left out of the main "network". If you don't agree with a democratic decision, you can leave and make your own country (in theory)

[tkbx]

Bitcoin is apolitical because it is based on voluntary interactions between people. Math does not have political preferences.

If only politicians could accept that.

[allthingsluxury]

Haha what? No not at all.

[coqui33]

No!

Do not believe anyone who says that it is okay for non-libertarians to use bitcoins! It is not true.

The only way that a bitcoin-using non-libertarian can escape punishment is to purchase a special anarcho-capitalist exemption certificate. You can obtain this vital certificate by sending 0.5 BTC to the following address: 1GDGfpdvoP5xw5bCJzazCyJoCKbQdJd6jh

[knives]

Waiting to exit my "newbie" condition, I have time to read the fascinating off-topic post written against Luke-Jr by ShadowOfHarbringer.
And frankly, I'm a little bit troubled.

Is it necessary to had supported Ron Paul to join the bitcoin community?
Will the bitcoin be under the ideological enforcement of Tea Party zealots?

Greetings to you from a land far far away.

Strictly speaking BTC has the property of being pseudo-anonymous (under the right privacy conditions we could remove the "pseudo" part completely). That said a social state-driven economy should be able to keep a record of transaction in order to be able to tax properly it's citizens.

That's theory though. In reality this *almost never* happens. If you have *enough money* banks sell you services (with a fee of course) to money launder, tax avoiding techniques and so on. Then if you're Goldman Sachs, you don't even have to care about that. You don't get tax'ed and if you "fail" you get "bailed out".

You see, anyone can say the shit they want, but there's no way to seriously back the thesis that a Hedge Fund can create 1Billion USD in 5 hours (because FOREX went crazy) while a farmer bust his ass 8 hours for 8 to 24 USD while he ACTUALLY creates SOMETHING (a tomato?). But that's the art of finance: Creating money out of nothing, let the retards pay the bill when the time comes, because "Hey, it was a bubble" ... of course it was you fucking idiot! And instead of putting these people to jail, you have them in both parties (Dem or Rep) in all key positions.

That said, do you really give a shit about these fucking retards?

Aristotle was a Greek philosopher who lived around 350 B.C. and one of the few things he said (and I remember, I guess he said a lot more): If you consider your a governance immoral, supporting his perpetual existence by any means [such as paying taxes] makes you complicit.

So until they decide to tag Bernanke as a loser, put Henry Paulson, Tymothy Geithner, Stephen Friedman and Blakfein in jail. I don't seriously give a shit about ethics and morals.

Read here fore more on GS: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-great-american-bubble-machine-20100405

NOTE: I don't have nothing against GS or HSBC (who launders money for murderers, rapers, pimps and so on), etc. as institutions. I just can't stand the idea that these people are so full of shit when they talk or "release non-papers" to public media, but they always get away with billions of $$$ while everyone else gets fucked up.

[trepper]

The only way that a bitcoin-using non-libertarian can escape punishment is to purchase a special anarcho-capitalist exemption certificate. You can obtain this vital certificate by sending 0.5 BTC to the following address: 1GDGfpdvoP5xw5bCJzazCyJoCKbQdJd6jh

Thank you for the tip.

Should I send it from 0.7 or from 0.8?