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June 29, 2016, 10:33:42 PM
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Satoshi went on to be called Crumbs. He's banned from the forum. Cool


Not impossible

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June 29, 2016, 10:57:46 PM
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i see no claim about the thousands of blocks he rejected.

as to the high hashrate which sergio (initally) thought was multiple machines used to create the genesis block, turned out to be just one

also sergio done other analysis after that
My opinion is that Satoshi was doing multitasking on 5 threads, but since version 0.1 did not allow internal multitasking, and he didn't wanted to run 6 copies of the client (and store 6 copies of the blockchain) he created a special version of the Satoshi client which sent to 5 other "client" threads some hashing work to be done. But these threads were dumb, and only did the hashing part (no pubkey management, no extra-nonce incrementing). So Satoshi had to split the nonce space in order to avoid wasting work. He chose a range of 10 lsbs per thread because that represents a time (100 msec) that does not generate much IPC traffic and can wait for the remaining threads to finish without killing them if the one thread finds the solution for the block.
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then he went on later to dig a bit deeper and his thought processes changed the more he learned..
the nonces, hashrate, etc all matched
the hashrates all curled off at the same time when satoshi's system must have been doing common tasks
https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/09/04/satoshi-machine-one-mystery-is-solved-and-another-opens/
sergio hints at how the date was locked and other things.. all of which. if you tried harder in your research point to something..

and ill give a hint to you.. "VM"

So what happened to your false assertion that Sergio couldn't know what Satoshi did to produce the Genesis block? What happened to your straw-man waffling about Sergio's entirely different research about the early blocks that are not the Genesis block? That had zero relation to what I was saying? You're now admitting that you made all that up, huh?

And if Satoshi was deliberately trying to mine a block with very specific properties, how many iterations do you think that took, using a 2009 PC working for 6 days? Probably an order of magnitude higher than thousands of blocks got rejected before Satoshi chose one, it doens't take Sergio saying that explicitly to figure that out, lol, or at least not for me.  Man, you just don't seem to give up with telling the most convenient lies to suit your shit talking.

When will you learn to stop lying? Lying doesn't work post-Internet, genius

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June 29, 2016, 11:21:04 PM
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And if Satoshi was deliberately trying to mine a block with very specific properties, how many iterations do you think that took, using a 2009 PC working for 6 days? Probably an order of magnitude higher than thousands of blocks got rejected before Satoshi chose one,

thats YOUR assumption. backed up by nothing.

by the way, hashing a block does not require making a new block per hash.. there are nearly 420,000 pieces of evidance that shows that one block of data is validated from millions of hashes until an appropriate solution is found.. (not the other way round)
again for emphasis:
not thousands of blocks for only one hash.
not thousands of alternate blockdata is rejected and data changed and retried..

oh by the way. the numbers and math was actually locked in as far back as november 2008, should you care to research sergio's finding further as even he has looked at satoshis earlier work.
so when satoshi started up his SINGLE machine in january.. he was not changing settings thousands of times and rejecting it until satisfied, he had the settings already and just let it run until the solution popped up.
one setting, and lots of patience.. probably a couple cups of coffee.. that its

but the end point of what you tried to meander away from is simple.
one computer. one person = satoshi
other people, other usernames = helped


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June 29, 2016, 11:35:17 PM
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Eh? You're not making sense Frankys, I never said anything about changing the parameters that produce the block? I think you need to take a break, you're probably hallucinating through staying awake posting for 48 hours lol (get that sleep you claim to live without lol)


And again: how many hashes (read: blocks, seeing as your semantic quibbling is your only route out of the corner you've painted yourself into Grin) do you think Satoshi attempted with his Genesis block production code?. It took him 6 solid days! I'm totally guessing when say thousands, granted, but who cares if someone with their name in lights doesn't tell us that? Does not invalidate a reasonable estimate, but then again, original thought is not really your forte. And you've managed to figure out that Satoshi left the machine hashing away to itself to find his goldilocks block header, do you think Satoshi's PC was taking cigarette breaks or something?

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June 29, 2016, 11:44:32 PM
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how many hashes do you think Satoshi attempted with his Genesis block production code?.

atleast your talking about hashes now.. one step forward atleast.
but lets laugh further. how many did satoshi reject.. answer: none.
the software did it for him. just like mining today.

its kind of like saying how many hashes did luke Jr reject before getting 1 block a day on eligius ages go.. answer: none.
the miners software did it.
luke JR did not reject anything. hashes just naturally keep hashing until a solution is found. there's no "rejection"

oh and by the way it didnt take him 6 days.. your right your just guessing

but the end point of what you tried to meander away from is simple.
one computer. one person = satoshi
other people, other usernames = helped

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June 29, 2016, 11:50:25 PM
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oh and by the way it didnt take him 6 days.. your right your just guessing

That's not what Sergio's research suggested, you should read it.

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June 29, 2016, 11:51:22 PM
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7 countries police are searching for Satoshi Namatodo any you can say that Nullc is Satoshil i think still no body know that who is satoshi.
seriously are people actually looking for Satoshi?
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June 30, 2016, 12:06:06 AM
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oh and by the way it didnt take him 6 days.. your right your just guessing

That's not what Sergio's research suggested, you should read it.

your 6day guess.. (im still laughing) was based on sergios initial OPINION in april 2013 where he done some maths based on
How many CPUs did Satoshi used to mine the first block?
The Satoshi PC
A good PC CPU in 2009 could do approximately 2^22 double-hashes/second.
(Taking into account NUMBER_OF_PROCESSORS=2, so two threads mine together)

Lets estimate how much time it takes for Satoshi PC to solve the genesis block with 43 zeros:
Initial 22 bits (nonce test/second)
Add approximately 16 bits for a whole day  (86400 ~= 2^16)
Add approximately 2.5 bits to make it 6 days

which later(autumn of 2013) sergio denounced and worked out that satoshi was running VM software allowing more threads, and a few other details. which i did actually try to help you out with by giving you a hint earlier..
and sergio worked out it didnt take that long at all..

anyway satoshi was one person with one computer.. end of

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June 30, 2016, 12:22:29 AM
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The truth: the answer to everybody's question regarding the identity of the individual who is responsible for putting together all the "pieces" of the first workable peer to peer digital cash system is right in front of everybody's noses.  

I will provide some clues. Those searching for the guy in this picture have information: http://perplexcitycardcatalog.com/1/256/ the guy in the picture is named Satoshi.

And the group working on this related encryption problem : http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14122 stumbled upon the concept of the decentralized component of "the ledger."

Bitcoin basically presented itself....and the name given to the individual labeled as the creator of the technology can add no value to its existence.






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June 30, 2016, 01:57:50 AM
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There are those who claim they are nakamoto satoshi and people dont believe in it. Nulc is not out of the list though he is a possible candidate but he cannot be mr. satoshi. It doesnt matter who is nakamoto Satoshi, I guess well leave that controversy there since even if we know who he really is the most important thing is tha bitcoin becomes part of our lives and we thank who that person who created bitcoin.
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June 30, 2016, 04:48:10 AM
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The truth: the answer to everybody's question regarding the identity of the individual who is responsible for putting together all the "pieces" of the first workable peer to peer digital cash system is right in front of everybody's noses.  

I will provide some clues. Those searching for the guy in this picture have information: http://perplexcitycardcatalog.com/1/256/ the guy in the picture is named Satoshi.

And the group working on this related encryption problem : http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14122 stumbled upon the concept of the decentralized component of "the ledger."

Bitcoin basically presented itself....and the name given to the individual labeled as the creator of the technology can add no value to its existence.


I'll take a longer look over the weekend.

How did you find these clues? Sounds like you know the answer already - how?
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June 30, 2016, 06:51:20 AM
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The truth: the answer to everybody's question regarding the identity of the individual who is responsible for putting together all the "pieces" of the first workable peer to peer digital cash system is right in front of everybody's noses.  

I will provide some clues. Those searching for the guy in this picture have information: http://perplexcitycardcatalog.com/1/256/ the guy in the picture is named Satoshi.

And the group working on this related encryption problem : http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14122 stumbled upon the concept of the decentralized component of "the ledger."

Bitcoin basically presented itself....and the name given to the individual labeled as the creator of the technology can add no value to its existence.


I'll take a longer look over the weekend.

How did you find these clues? Sounds like you know the answer already - how?

Briefly.  Card #251 had some sort of code puzzle, the community working on the problem figured out that it was an encryption problem, they decided to brute force it, they built and distributed the client, they learned it wasn't efficient because each client was running independently, so they began the process of working on keeping track of eliminated combinations to distribute the workload across the network for efficiency....etc.  Much of this stuff happened via ICQ and email but community recruitment was achieved via the forum thread above....pay attention to the dates and the type of people involved (where they are now is interesting)....notice the time frame when the project went dark....and notice https://www.distributed.net/RC5

Card #256 has not been solved.

It's all there...the rest you can find here and the early mailing lists.


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June 30, 2016, 07:12:54 AM
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Here we go again ...
What does it matter who is Satoshi Nakamoto? Why is anyone know? There is a system works, it is used. Why all this? Just use.
We all Satoshi.
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June 30, 2016, 07:36:00 AM
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The truth: the answer to everybody's question regarding the identity of the individual who is responsible for putting together all the "pieces" of the first workable peer to peer digital cash system is right in front of everybody's noses.  

I will provide some clues. Those searching for the guy in this picture have information: http://perplexcitycardcatalog.com/1/256/ the guy in the picture is named Satoshi.

And the group working on this related encryption problem : http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14122 stumbled upon the concept of the decentralized component of "the ledger."

Bitcoin basically presented itself....and the name given to the individual labeled as the creator of the technology can add no value to its existence.


I'll take a longer look over the weekend.

How did you find these clues? Sounds like you know the answer already - how?

Briefly.  Card #251 had some sort of code puzzle, the community working on the problem figured out that it was an encryption problem, they decided to brute force it, they built and distributed the client, they learned it wasn't efficient because each client was running independently, so they began the process of working on keeping track of eliminated combinations to distribute the workload across the network for efficiency....etc.  Much of this stuff happened via ICQ and email but community recruitment was achieved via the forum thread above....pay attention to the dates and the type of people involved (where they are now is interesting)....notice the time frame when the project went dark....and notice https://www.distributed.net/RC5

Card #256 has not been solved.

It's all there...the rest you can find here and the early mailing lists.



Thanks. Yep, already done - some of it cross-checks w/ some research I've been holding back for a few months... i recall trying to remember something about a dairy, a robot from turkey, a trust, a company called Bitcoin Ltd. (formed Feb 2009), a Yale father and son (one in London, one in Denver), plus an accountant  Wink  Extra hint - http://www.economist.com/node/7001738
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June 30, 2016, 07:57:58 AM
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The truth: the answer to everybody's question regarding the identity of the individual who is responsible for putting together all the "pieces" of the first workable peer to peer digital cash system is right in front of everybody's noses.  

I will provide some clues. Those searching for the guy in this picture have information: http://perplexcitycardcatalog.com/1/256/ the guy in the picture is named Satoshi.

And the group working on this related encryption problem : http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14122 stumbled upon the concept of the decentralized component of "the ledger."

Bitcoin basically presented itself....and the name given to the individual labeled as the creator of the technology can add no value to its existence.


I'll take a longer look over the weekend.

How did you find these clues? Sounds like you know the answer already - how?

Briefly.  Card #251 had some sort of code puzzle, the community working on the problem figured out that it was an encryption problem, they decided to brute force it, they built and distributed the client, they learned it wasn't efficient because each client was running independently, so they began the process of working on keeping track of eliminated combinations to distribute the workload across the network for efficiency....etc.  Much of this stuff happened via ICQ and email but community recruitment was achieved via the forum thread above....pay attention to the dates and the type of people involved (where they are now is interesting)....notice the time frame when the project went dark....and notice https://www.distributed.net/RC5

Card #256 has not been solved.

It's all there...the rest you can find here and the early mailing lists.



Thanks. Yep, already done - some of it cross-checks w/ some research I've been holding back for a few months... i recall trying to remember something about a dairy, a robot from turkey, a trust, a company called Bitcoin Ltd. (formed Feb 2009), a Yale father and son (one in London, one in Denver), plus an accountant  Wink  Extra hint - http://www.economist.com/node/7001738 <---

I think you see the bigger picture...makes me wonder what else they used us for....

Basically the ledger created itself as a result of the above processes. Distributing the workload across the network, and keeping track of the sequences used in the brute force attack so that sequences weren't inefficiently ran twice (double spend problem), accidentally solved problems others were working on in co-related projects....the rest is history  --> the real work began with all the familiar names and Satoshi Nakamoto is just a face on an unsolved puzzle card; who, by the way, is still waiting to be found so that he can give the secret passphrase away that he's been holding onto for all these years.  Smile....

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June 30, 2016, 11:08:23 AM
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Damn rabbit holes got me up past my bed time...



Cjmoles- I read threw a bit of the forum links you posted mostly twards the end. Is the card a key to 1 of Satoshis keys?

Unfortunately the economist artical is behind a pay wall.

As for the picture I'm lost...

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June 30, 2016, 11:25:52 AM
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Damn rabbit holes got me up past my bed time...



Cjmoles- I read threw a bit of the forum links you posted mostly twards the end. Is the card a key to 1 of Satoshis keys?

Unfortunately the economist artical is behind a pay wall.

As for the picture I'm lost...

Card 251: No, the game was discontinued just prior to the publication of the original whitepaper well before the encryption was broken.  There were no blocks mined at that point.  If you read thru the thread you'll be able to see what was being developed...

Card 256: This card is still unsolved and many of the clues are in a thread on that same forum....this guy Satoshi hasn't been found yet but he is holding a phassphrase to something....dunno....have to find him to figure that out.

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June 30, 2016, 11:30:34 AM
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No one will never know who's satoshi is. And if I doubt if he will try to because there are so many reasons that it will not happen. Risk if he's going to reveal himself will cost life and let's face the fact that there are people that won't believe it's really satoshi.
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June 30, 2016, 11:42:14 AM
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Damn rabbit holes got me up past my bed time...



Cjmoles- I read threw a bit of the forum links you posted mostly twards the end. Is the card a key to 1 of Satoshis keys?

Unfortunately the economist artical is behind a pay wall.

As for the picture I'm lost...

Card 251: No, the game was discontinued just prior to the publication of the original whitepaper well before the encryption was broken.  There were no blocks mined at that point.  If you read thru the thread you'll be able to see what was being developed...

Card 256: This card is still unsolved and many of the clues are in a thread on that same forum....this guy Satoshi hasn't been found yet but he is holding a phassphrase to something....dunno....have to find him to figure that out.  It's one of the two cards that have never been solved and the other one that was never solved wasn't meant to be solved....the solution was "no solution!"


Here's the thread with the clues to Card #256: http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16148&start=15  click on the red bars in some of the individual posts to reveal hints...this is page 2 and the hint there is "I am Satoshi!"  That clue was presented in 2006....look at the dates on these things....

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June 30, 2016, 12:07:36 PM
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Although distributed.net is still live it hasn't been updated in 6 years, have you tried to track down any of the known members? I searched thumper^ for shits since he is close proximity to me. Been able to track down any still on IRC or with the the same Twitter handle ect?

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