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June 30, 2016, 01:26:49 PM
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The truth: the answer to everybody's question regarding the identity of the individual who is responsible for putting together all the "pieces" of the first workable peer to peer digital cash system is right in front of everybody's noses.  

I will provide some clues. Those searching for the guy in this picture have information: http://perplexcitycardcatalog.com/1/256/ the guy in the picture is named Satoshi.

And the group working on this related encryption problem : http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14122 stumbled upon the concept of the decentralized component of "the ledger."

Bitcoin basically presented itself....and the name given to the individual labeled as the creator of the technology can add no value to its existence.


I'll take a longer look over the weekend.

How did you find these clues? Sounds like you know the answer already - how?

Briefly.  Card #251 had some sort of code puzzle, the community working on the problem figured out that it was an encryption problem, they decided to brute force it, they built and distributed the client, they learned it wasn't efficient because each client was running independently, so they began the process of working on keeping track of eliminated combinations to distribute the workload across the network for efficiency....etc.  Much of this stuff happened via ICQ and email but community recruitment was achieved via the forum thread above....pay attention to the dates and the type of people involved (where they are now is interesting)....notice the time frame when the project went dark....and notice https://www.distributed.net/RC5

Card #256 has not been solved.

It's all there...the rest you can find here and the early mailing lists.



Thanks. Yep, already done - some of it cross-checks w/ some research I've been holding back for a few months... i recall trying to remember something about a dairy, a robot from turkey, a trust, a company called Bitcoin Ltd. (formed Feb 2009), a Yale father and son (one in London, one in Denver), plus an accountant  Wink  Extra hint - http://www.economist.com/node/7001738 <---

I think you see the bigger picture...makes me wonder what else they used us for....

Basically the ledger created itself as a result of the above processes. Distributing the workload across the network, and keeping track of the sequences used in the brute force attack so that sequences weren't inefficiently ran twice (double spend problem), accidentally solved problems others were working on in co-related projects....the rest is history  --> the real work began with all the familiar names and Satoshi Nakamoto is just a face on an unsolved puzzle card; who, by the way, is still waiting to be found so that he can give the secret passphrase away that he's been holding onto for all these years.  Smile....


We haven't even gotten to the fun stuff yet.

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June 30, 2016, 01:47:08 PM
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quite possibly the entity behind bitcoins satoshi. was in his past, just a random player of the other games and loved solving problems/puzzles

and when thinking what names to chose for his bitcoin pseudonym was thinking of things randomly like

galt
waldo/wally
chouchani
fulcanelli
and then remembered his old gaming days where there was a mysterious name of satoshi that was never found in a 'game' he used to play. so he adopted it because he enjoyed the mystery of that name

but anyway thats all speculation. as is any other satoshi mystery.

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Craig Wright is Satoshi.

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June 30, 2016, 03:13:52 PM
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Another interesting post on page 41 which gives more hints to the game.

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I read through every one of your posts here as part of my research, along with interviewing Laura Hall (of findsatoshi.wordpress.com) and Adrian Hon, the creator of the game.

If you wanna go on a trip down memory lane, have a listen.

https://soundcloud.com/listen-to-this-244929090/findsatoshi

Will be on iTunes before too long, as well.

Enjoy, and happy hunting.

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Another interesting post on page 41 which gives more hints to the game.

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Hey everybody. Been a while, hasn't it? Over 10 years. I stumbled across Find Satoshi a few months ago by sheer chance, or call it luck. Like many of you, I found myself completely immersed by it, but a little too late to participate. So instead, I made a podcast episode about it.

I read through every one of your posts here as part of my research, along with interviewing Laura Hall (of findsatoshi.wordpress.com) and Adrian Hon, the creator of the game.

If you wanna go on a trip down memory lane, have a listen.

https://soundcloud.com/listen-to-this-244929090/findsatoshi

Will be on iTunes before too long, as well.

Enjoy, and happy hunting.


I read that last night also, were you able to track down the podcast or is it still available? Didn't take to time to follow the links last night as I was bouncing back and forth in different direction.

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June 30, 2016, 06:09:43 PM
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These questions are pointless if you have a brain and consider the following:
1) If he is Satoshi, he will deny it.
2) If he isn't Satoshi, he will deny it.

What is the point of such article? To waste time? To get agencies to investigate Maxwell?

Maxwell does not know how to code. Maxwell does not know who Satoshi is.

midmagic looks quite like Satoshi though

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Although distributed.net is still live it hasn't been updated in 6 years, have you tried to track down any of the known members? I searched thumper^ for shits since he is close proximity to me. Been able to track down any still on IRC or with the the same Twitter handle ect?

There are some interesting stories....many went dark but you can find archives of some of their conversations on other forums.  Many of the people who participated in these activities went on to work for big companies like Microsoft, Google, IBM....etc.  Some were already working with these places and secretly shared some of their companies resources....There's lots of stories....

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watching http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060397/
thanks for a tip

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the thing i'd love to ask satoshi is did you expect it to blow up like this? i assume he believed there was a chance but the idea of having to always cover your tracks must've been exhausting, especially when no one cared at the time. i guess if he had slipped up somewhere we'd already know about it.

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The truth: the answer to everybody's question regarding the identity of the individual who is responsible for putting together all the "pieces" of the first workable peer to peer digital cash system is right in front of everybody's noses.  

I will provide some clues. Those searching for the guy in this picture have information: http://perplexcitycardcatalog.com/1/256/ the guy in the picture is named Satoshi.

And the group working on this related encryption problem : http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14122 stumbled upon the concept of the decentralized component of "the ledger."

Bitcoin basically presented itself....and the name given to the individual labeled as the creator of the technology can add no value to its existence.


I'll take a longer look over the weekend.

How did you find these clues? Sounds like you know the answer already - how?

Briefly.  Card #251 had some sort of code puzzle, the community working on the problem figured out that it was an encryption problem, they decided to brute force it, they built and distributed the client, they learned it wasn't efficient because each client was running independently, so they began the process of working on keeping track of eliminated combinations to distribute the workload across the network for efficiency....etc.  Much of this stuff happened via ICQ and email but community recruitment was achieved via the forum thread above....pay attention to the dates and the type of people involved (where they are now is interesting)....notice the time frame when the project went dark....and notice https://www.distributed.net/RC5

Card #256 has not been solved.

It's all there...the rest you can find here and the early mailing lists.



Thanks. Yep, already done - some of it cross-checks w/ some research I've been holding back for a few months... i recall trying to remember something about a dairy, a robot from turkey, a trust, a company called Bitcoin Ltd. (formed Feb 2009), a Yale father and son (one in London, one in Denver), plus an accountant  Wink  Extra hint - http://www.economist.com/node/7001738 <---

I think you see the bigger picture...makes me wonder what else they used us for....

Basically the ledger created itself as a result of the above processes. Distributing the workload across the network, and keeping track of the sequences used in the brute force attack so that sequences weren't inefficiently ran twice (double spend problem), accidentally solved problems others were working on in co-related projects....the rest is history  --> the real work began with all the familiar names and Satoshi Nakamoto is just a face on an unsolved puzzle card; who, by the way, is still waiting to be found so that he can give the secret passphrase away that he's been holding onto for all these years.  Smile....


We haven't even gotten to the fun stuff yet.


No....we haven't....It gets deeper!  Just follow the crumbs.  The idea of using the wisdom of the masses to covertly solve contemporary problems is huge!  The utility of distributed networking applications is just barely being understood by the general public....The number of degrees in the "six degrees of separation" theory is quickly declining....think about that!  While many are diving down rabbit holes in search of straw men like Satoshi, others are farming our data and using it to solve problems that cannot be solved alone....sometimes we have to step back to see the big picture!

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No....we haven't....It gets deeper!  Just follow the crumbs.  The idea of using the wisdom of the masses to covertly solve contemporary problems is huge!  The utility of distributed networking applications is just barely being understood by the general public....The number of degrees in the "six degrees of separation" theory is quickly declining....think about that!  While many are diving down rabbit holes in search of straw men like Satoshi, others are farming our data and using it to solve problems that cannot be solved alone....sometimes we have to step back to see the big picture!

...which may include disinformation.

I went back through my notes (i didn't forget the milk), I've been sitting on this material since November then Craig distracted me from this brucey Mosaic (very capitalization of that last word  Wink ). Subsequent to Craig and what I found prior to his emergence, I wrote about Peter Todd, Transit, David Birch, Nullc and a few others. The transit article is likely one of the most important clues as that transit network is very similar to the bitcon network laid out in the white paper (note: you have to buy the article if you don't have access another way, but maybe nullc still has it - or maybe Andreas S or Mssrs. Birch and Chaum have copies to share).  I've written about Zooko concurrently with all of the other folks mentioned above - I keep coming back to him for some reason (he worked with both Chaum and Wei Dai at various points I believe). Ultimately, I'll need to get grave markers for my dead theories one day. Was that another clue?  Shocked
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No....we haven't....It gets deeper!  Just follow the crumbs.  The idea of using the wisdom of the masses to covertly solve contemporary problems is huge!  The utility of distributed networking applications is just barely being understood by the general public....The number of degrees in the "six degrees of separation" theory is quickly declining....think about that!  While many are diving down rabbit holes in search of straw men like Satoshi, others are farming our data and using it to solve problems that cannot be solved alone....sometimes we have to step back to see the big picture!

...which may include disinformation.

I went back through my notes (i didn't forget the milk), I've been sitting on this material since November then Craig distracted me from this brucey Mosaic (very capitalization of that last word  Wink ). Subsequent to Craig and what I found prior to his emergence, I wrote about Peter Todd, Transit, David Birch, Nullc and a few others. The transit article is likely one of the most important clues as that transit network is very similar to the bitcon network laid out in the white paper (note: you have to buy the article if you don't have access another way, but maybe nullc still has it - or maybe Andreas S or Mssrs. Birch and Chaum have copies to share).  I've written about Zooko concurrently with all of the other folks mentioned above - I keep coming back to him for some reason (he worked with both Chaum and Wei Dai at various points I believe). Ultimately, I'll need to get grave markers for my dead theories one day. Was that another clue?  Shocked

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There's something really spooky about this for some reason.


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There's something really spooky about this for some reason.



Not sure about spooky, not even sure this puzzle is more than a fancy hunt the Wumpus game. Besides, cjmoles is known for trying to play on the Felt. I'm just not that in to poker.
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>not even sure this puzzle is more than a fancy hunt the Wumpus game.
This would make a great epitaph Smiley

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There's something really spooky about this for some reason.



That exact spot in that picture has been found....it's in France.

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Another interesting post on page 41 which gives more hints to the game.

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Hey everybody. Been a while, hasn't it? Over 10 years. I stumbled across Find Satoshi a few months ago by sheer chance, or call it luck. Like many of you, I found myself completely immersed by it, but a little too late to participate. So instead, I made a podcast episode about it.

I read through every one of your posts here as part of my research, along with interviewing Laura Hall (of findsatoshi.wordpress.com) and Adrian Hon, the creator of the game.

If you wanna go on a trip down memory lane, have a listen.

https://soundcloud.com/listen-to-this-244929090/findsatoshi

Will be on iTunes before too long, as well.

Enjoy, and happy hunting.


I read that last night also, were you able to track down the podcast or is it still available? Didn't take to time to follow the links last night as I was bouncing back and forth in different direction.

yes!!
There it is

https://soundcloud.com/listentothispodcast/findsatoshi

Maybe we should download it

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>not even sure this puzzle is more than a fancy hunt the Wumpus game.
This would make a great epitaph Smiley

I wouldn't be mad.
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There's something really spooky about this for some reason.



That exact spot in that picture has been found....it's in France.

Kaysersberg, Alsace, France.

https://findsatoshi.wordpress.com/the-facts/

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Ahem . . . Zooko . . . again  Wink

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kanzure: oops... yeah, two conversations at once, that got smerged. s/bitcoin/bitlength/. Smiley I guess you can still extend if that's valid data, though.
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kanzure I thought this was exactly why satoshi used *double* sha256?
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rusty: that's "Merkle-Damgård strengthening" and it's not good enough to prevent length-extension attacks.
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zooko: you mean you can extend after the bitlength, right? I guess you'd need to prepend the length to make this work, and that has other issues.
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bsm117532: I've heard that theory before, but don't understand it. Perhaps there was a concern that some future partial weakness in SHA could deconstruct the hash enough to weaken the PoW?
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i can't readily imagine how. all you can do with le is append, which helps you add data to a commitment (typically secret in hmac-like construct)
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theres nothing of the sorts in bitcoin afaik
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from what I've gathered, Satoshi was not an amazing cryptographer, he may have done that out of paranoia
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well, his prudence did pay off, especially in relation to SAT mining
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Satoshi probably got it from Ferguson and Schneier's book "Practical Cryptography" / "Cryptography Engineering".
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(ie simple means to double the number of rounds, without inventing non-standard hash function)
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We also used that construction, which F&S named "SHA256d", in Tahoe-LAFS.

Probably . . .
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