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March 14, 2013, 07:09:45 PM
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S mod N, where S is the sum of all satoshis transactioned in the last block(s) and N the number of participants of a contest during that block(s) creation can be used as extraction number for a list of participations.
'S' is quite an unpredictable number that no one knows in advance and can rules out the possibility of cheating about the random pick of winner.

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S is not random. The miner can basically choose any value he wishes.

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Even if the miner doesn't cheat S isn't evenly distributed.  Far easier to just just the least significant 8 digits of the block hash.
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March 14, 2013, 08:14:19 PM
Last edit: March 14, 2013, 10:58:44 PM by remotemass
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To have a more random number you can multiply it by the number of seconds in between blocks.
But I agree, block hash may be a better choice.
You don't even need to truncate it, just convert to decimal and do H mod N, with H being the hash of the block created - closing of the game - converted to decimal and N the number of participants of the list of participants by arrival, and you get a random pick, giving you the position of the winner in that list with H mod N.

You just have to rule in advance which block will close the contest, than do this simple calculations, and voila!

Or, of course, you could use a maximum number of participants if you wanted, and expect for the next block created after such last participation, to be able to tell the random pick.

{ Imagine a sequence of bits generated from the first decimal place of the square roots of whole integers that are irrational numbers. If the decimal falls between 0 and 5, it's considered bit 0, and if it falls between 5 and 10, it's considered bit 1. This sequence from a simple integer count of contiguous irrationals and their logical decimal expansion of the first decimal place is called the 'main irrational stream.' Our goal is to design a physical and optical computing system system that can detect when this stream starts matching a specific pattern of a given size of bits. bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=166760.0 } Satoshi did use a friend class in C++ and put a comment on the code saying: "This is why people hate C++".
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