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July 01, 2016, 03:16:07 PM
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This may seem like a noob question but ever since I have been with Proof of Stake cryptocurrencies, I have never thought about using this feature. It has been said that this feature is best for optmizing or receiving stakes, but I want to know how does it really work? How can I use this effectively to stake my coins? Any guide or advice on how to do this would be greatly appreciated.  Grin

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July 01, 2016, 08:21:58 PM
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PoS aka piece of shit coins are insecure and only exist for pump and dumps. Ether is the only coin I'm aware of that is working on a true consensus algorighm that may offer security without proof of work but it's still in development, because it's never been done before.  I'm no expert just sharing what I understand about current PoS blockchain security.

Coin control is also in some Bitcoin wallets like Armory. If you have coins on more than one address in the same wallet, you can use coin control to choose which address/coins you want to use for the transaction. i'm not sure of how it's used in staking or if there is a difference, but I would imagine it's just choosing which coins or address you want rather than just letting the wallet use default settings.

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July 03, 2016, 12:27:59 AM
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PoS aka piece of shit coins are insecure and only exist for pump and dumps. Ether is the only coin I'm aware of that is working on a true consensus algorighm that may offer security without proof of work but it's still in development, because it's never been done before.  I'm no expert just sharing what I understand about current PoS blockchain security.

Coin control is also in some Bitcoin wallets like Armory. If you have coins on more than one address in the same wallet, you can use coin control to choose which address/coins you want to use for the transaction. i'm not sure of how it's used in staking or if there is a difference, but I would imagine it's just choosing which coins or address you want rather than just letting the wallet use default settings.

Yeah I've noticed that most PoS are shit, but I was just curious to know about this feature to educate myself about it. About coin control in Armory Bitcoin wallet, I've never thought about it. But i'd bet it works a different way since Bitcoin is PoW. Thanks for your opinion. I will take a deep look at this. It may seem useful after all.  Smiley

P.S. ETH would deliver a one of a kind PoS system which means that it will become one of the best alt coins around.

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July 03, 2016, 03:35:17 AM
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I had 1575 PPC coins.  Moron PPC development team decided to upgrade to wallet I was in.

I was in the wallet on a Mac. Fuckers only offered an upgrade to the wallet in windows.

So I had to transfer coins to a new Wallet losing 60 days sitting in the wallet .

I would have earned 1% or 15 coins.

 I posted a bit and complained on PPC.org decided I will never do pos with any coin. Cashed the coins to btc and gave up in ppc.

Basically on pos will truly stay locked in long enough to give your interest so to speak.

I mine ETH and convert to btc and if eth turns pos by by.

Since no pos has ever delivered the good so to speak.

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July 03, 2016, 03:58:59 AM
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@OP:
Coin control in PoS currencies from the Peercoin family that use the "coin-age" concept (also Emercoin, Bluecoin, Novacoin ...) enables you to separate "old" coins from "new" coins. In these currencies, you can only mint with coins that were not moved for a period of time and your "coin-age" value will determine your reward (the longer you don't move them, the more blocks you will find). When you move these coins the "stake" value of these coins gets resetted when you move coins and you would have to wait 60 days again.

With coin control you can choose which coins to move. So you can keep minting with your oldest coins and only move those coins that you received recently, because these coins would not count for your "stake value" for the first 60 days.

An example: You received 10 coins three months ago and 5 other coins recently. Now you want to pay a bill for 4 coins. You should not move the old 10 coins because these coins are enabling you to get "PoS" rewards.
If you move these coins you won't be able to get rewards for them for 60 days more. Instead, with coin control you can choose to move the 5 new coins and use them for this payment. So you don't touch your old coins and don't affect their "stake ability".

In NXT and other currencies that don't use coin age coin control isn't that important.

I had 1575 PPC coins.  
[...] losing 60 days sitting in the wallet .

I would have earned 1% or 15 coins.

Your math was not the best.

Peercoin's reward is aproximately 1% per year. So you would have earned around 15 coins if you hold them 365 days. But in 60 days that would be only about a sixth of the yearly reward, that would be 2,5 coins. At the actual price that's about 1 US dollar. Was it worth the time to complain about these 2,5 coins?

Peercoin is also not really designed to get a profit from minting PoS. It is only thought as a small incentive to maintain you node connected. Not more. There are high-reward PoS coins, but they are very inflationary and normally lose value very fast.

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July 04, 2016, 11:55:20 PM
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@OP:
Coin control in PoS currencies from the Peercoin family that use the "coin-age" concept (also Emercoin, Bluecoin, Novacoin ...) enables you to separate "old" coins from "new" coins. In these currencies, you can only mint with coins that were not moved for a period of time and your "coin-age" value will determine your reward (the longer you don't move them, the more blocks you will find). When you move these coins the "stake" value of these coins gets resetted when you move coins and you would have to wait 60 days again.

With coin control you can choose which coins to move. So you can keep minting with your oldest coins and only move those coins that you received recently, because these coins would not count for your "stake value" for the first 60 days.

An example: You received 10 coins three months ago and 5 other coins recently. Now you want to pay a bill for 4 coins. You should not move the old 10 coins because these coins are enabling you to get "PoS" rewards.
If you move these coins you won't be able to get rewards for them for 60 days more. Instead, with coin control you can choose to move the 5 new coins and use them for this payment. So you don't touch your old coins and don't affect their "stake ability".

In NXT and other currencies that don't use coin age coin control isn't that important.

I had 1575 PPC coins.  
[...] losing 60 days sitting in the wallet .

I would have earned 1% or 15 coins.

Your math was not the best.

Peercoin's reward is aproximately 1% per year. So you would have earned around 15 coins if you hold them 365 days. But in 60 days that would be only about a sixth of the yearly reward, that would be 2,5 coins. At the actual price that's about 1 US dollar. Was it worth the time to complain about these 2,5 coins?

Peercoin is also not really designed to get a profit from minting PoS. It is only thought as a small incentive to maintain you node connected. Not more. There are high-reward PoS coins, but they are very inflationary and normally lose value very fast.

A very detailed explanation of how the coin control feature works. Thanks mate. This will definitely help me understand better how it is really used for. As I will be using this most for Diamond and Tekcoins, it will be of great use to me for better stakes.

As for Peercoin, it may not be designed to be profitable from staking it, but at least it is one of the first and most reliable PoS coins in my opinion. There are other PoS coins with better stakes rates such as Diamond, Pulse and Hyperstake so they may be profitable depending on the stake difficulty, and other factors. Looking forward to learn more about PoS staking  Smiley

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