Directbet Stole 9.04 BTC

[rangernation]

9 DAYS AGO


I made a bet and they rejected it. The webpage said it would return after 1 confirmation.

Several hours later they still didnt send anything so I posted on their forum:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg15426448#msg15426448


I have since posted numerous times over 9 days and directbet responded 0 times via forum, PM, or email.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg15446661#msg15446661
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg15474354#msg15474354
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg15481387#msg15481387
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg15493252#msg15493252


Then they change the Bet page to some bs:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg15453978#msg15453978


And they respond 0 times all the while posting their spam .000005 btc promos.

[1715303973]

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[coinyard]

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[DirectBet]

And they respond 0 times all the while posting their spam .000005 btc promos.

rangernation is an hacker who defrauded us, and not for the first time.

We already replied to him one week ago with our decision yet he is misleading you by stating that we never replied.

Since this was not the first time, and since we already gave him a second chance, we are not going to discuss this with him any further.

https://www.directbet.eu

[TwitchySeal]

Quick summary of what I think happened and what I think should happen.  (I'm not involved personally)


I THINK Rangernation placed 15BTC which was doublespent.  (The bet lost, but he didn't lost the 15BTC)

Couple days later he placed a 9BTC bet. Directbet said tyvm, I'll keep that, cancels the bet due to "low fee" and left a message on the bet slip referencing the previous 15BTC bet,,

Rangernation creates account here, asks for refund, directbet says "email support" Rangernation says "why should I?"

Directbet ignores some more, Rangernation acts as if he doesn't understand anything except his money is gone.

Directbet accuses Ranger of being Hungerman, Rangernation appears more confused, DirectBet ignores some more.




I think the chances of Rangernation being guilty are very high.  If I were forced to pick a number right this second, I'd say greater than 96% chance he's guilty.

Also, I believe DirectBet runs their site with far more integrity than most Bitcoin gambling establishments.

However, the only way DirectBet can ethically keep this wager is if they can prove that there is a 0% chance Rangernation is innocent.  I think most likely it will be impossible for them to prove this and they have only themselves to blame for being in this situation again.

If DirectBet does not return the wager, or prove the chances of Rangernation being innocent is 0%, they should receive neg rep until they att least change something that will prevent this from happening again.  Otherwise, it will keep happening.  

DirectBet should be willing to allow themselves to be scammed many more than 20 times if it means not robbing one player.

Ways to fix problem:

• Tell all players there's a chance they will be accused of double spend and their funds confiscated before they make every bet.
• Figure out a good dispute mediation system that can't be influenced and make all players aware there's a chance they will be accused of double spend, and if they do someone besides DB will decide.  ( randomly selected small jury from pool of trusted users could work)
• Quit accepting action on unconfirmed bets.

And they respond 0 times all the while posting their spam .000005 btc promos.

rangernation is an hacker who defrauded us, and not for the first time.

We already replied to him one week ago with our decision yet he is misleading you by stating that we never replied.

Since this was not the first time, and since we already gave him a second chance, we are not going to discuss this with him any further.

https://www.directbet.eu

^^^^Don't do that if you want to maintain public rep, you can't ignore ANYONE.

@twitchy, I was just saying ive posted here numerous times waiting for directbet to see the bump to return. They literally haven't responded to a single email, pm, or forum post. Crazy.

I dont think you know how it works or what happened. Lol.

I have posted here numerous times and they just post spam .000001 btc promos.

I sent btc, and their page said bet rejected and coin would be returned after 1 confirmation. So the bet wasn't Live. Or thats how I interpretted their site.   Now hundreds of confimrations later they didnt return or message.

I have no idea what their deal is, but ignoring players and holding their coin for long periods of time is not the key to success

They are accusing you of freerolling them in this bet: https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1JtH9TefRKwB9W71qeD2fAGGCp27PtWnnn
By double spending the wager and cancelling it once you realized it would likely lose.
(notice the transaction id doesn't exist.  that usually indicates it was pruned from the network bc the balance was spent in a different tx)


They stole your 9BTC wager because they think you stole 15BTC from them.

DB,

This is not the way to handle the situation.  

Stop acting like Betcoin.

[rangernation]

They way they just "posted" a url of another bet and then COMPLETELY IGNORED the entire situation for 9+ days just screams scam.

Anyone can go pick a transaction out of https://blockchain.info/double-spends  and claim it was there double spend.

[DarkStar_]

They way they just "posted" a url of another bet and then COMPLETELY IGNORED the entire situation for 9+ days just screams scam.

Anyone can go pick a transaction out of https://blockchain.info/double-spends  and claim it was there double spend.

Bad argument. Blocktrail.com and a bunch of other block explorers keep records of double spends. You can check out the transaction here. If it is under directbet control, they can sign a message from it to prove that it was a bet. So no, you can't pick an random transaction and claim it was your double spend, because people will ask for a signed message to prove it, or ask for a screenshot if it is from an exchange. The faker wouldn't be able to do any.

[rangernation]

They way they just "posted" a url of another bet and then COMPLETELY IGNORED the entire situation for 9+ days just screams scam.

Anyone can go pick a transaction out of https://blockchain.info/double-spends  and claim it was there double spend.

Bad argument. Blocktrail.com and a bunch of other block explorers keep records of double spends. You can check out the transaction here. If it is under directbet control, they can sign a message from it to prove that it was a bet. So no, you can't pick an random transaction and claim it was your double spend, because people will ask for a signed message to prove it, or ask for a screenshot if it is from an exchange. The faker wouldn't be able to do any.

I guess I dont understand the blockchain part as well as you. But regardless they stole my btc. Judging from the situation in reflects on the size of their bankroll/threat system.

My transaction was sent with a normal fee. So their system rejected it. Fine you dont want my bet but return my btc.

If this is how they "sweat" 9 btc and handle their entire support. They literally sent 1 pm message of bs.

I'm not sure bets of 9 btc should be made on this site. You want to sweat the game not the payout.

[bajing]

Quick summary of what I think happened and what I think should happen.  (I'm not involved personally)

Rangernation placed 15BTC which was doublespent.  (The bet lost, but he didn't lost the 15BTC)

Couple days later he placed a 9BTC bet. Directbet said tyvm, I'll keep that, cancels the bet due to "low fee" and left a message on the bet slip referencing the previous 15BTC bet,,

Rangernation creates account here, asks for refund, directbet says "email support" Rangernation says "why should I?"

Directbet ignores some more, Rangernation acts as if he doesn't understand anything except his money is gone.

Directbet accuses Ranger of being Hungerman, Rangernation appears more confused, DirectBet ignores some more.




I think the chances of Rangernation being guilty are very high.  If I were forced to pick a number right this second, I'd say greater than 96% chance he's guilty.

Also, I believe DirectBet runs their site with far more integrity than most Bitcoin gambling establishments.

However, the only way DirectBet can ethically keep this wager is if they can prove that there is a 0% chance Rangernation is innocent.  I think most likely it will be impossible for them to prove this and they have only themselves to blame for being in this situation again.

If DirectBet does not return the wager, or prove the chances of Rangernation being innocent is 0%, they should receive neg rep until they att least change something that will prevent this from happening again.  Otherwise, it will keep happening.  

DirectBet should be willing to allow themselves to be scammed many more than 20 times if it means not robbing one player.

Ways to fix problem:

• Tell all players there's a chance they will be accused of double spend and their funds confiscated before they make every bet.
• Figure out a good dispute mediation system that can't be influenced and make all players aware there's a chance they will be accused of double spend, and if they do someone besides DB will decide.  ( randomly selected small jury from pool of trusted users could work)
• Quit accepting action on unconfirmed bets.

And they respond 0 times all the while posting their spam .000005 btc promos.

rangernation is an hacker who defrauded us, and not for the first time.

We already replied to him one week ago with our decision yet he is misleading you by stating that we never replied.

Since this was not the first time, and since we already gave him a second chance, we are not going to discuss this with him any further.

https://www.directbet.eu

^^^^Don't do that if you want to maintain public rep, you can't ignore ANYONE.

@twitchy, I was just saying ive posted here numerous times waiting for directbet to see the bump to return. They literally haven't responded to a single email, pm, or forum post. Crazy.

I dont think you know how it works or what happened. Lol.

I have posted here numerous times and they just post spam .000001 btc promos.

I sent btc, and their page said bet rejected and coin would be returned after 1 confirmation. So the bet wasn't Live. Or thats how I interpretted their site.   Now hundreds of confimrations later they didnt return or message.

I have no idea what their deal is, but ignoring players and holding their coin for long periods of time is not the key to success

They are accusing you of freerolling them in this bet: https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1JtH9TefRKwB9W71qeD2fAGGCp27PtWnnn
By double spending the wager and cancelling it once you realized it would likely lose.
(notice the transaction id doesn't exist.  that usually indicates it was pruned from the network bc the balance was spent in a different tx)


They stole your 9BTC wager because they think you stole 15BTC from them.

DB,

This is not the way to handle the situation.  

Stop acting like Betcoin.

The problem 9btc is accepted or not? why he say directbet has steal 9 btc because i see in screenshoot he had lose 15 btc.

[james.lent]

Quick summary of what I think happened and what I think should happen.  (I'm not involved personally)

Rangernation placed 15BTC which was doublespent.  (The bet lost, but he didn't lost the 15BTC)

Couple days later he placed a 9BTC bet. Directbet said tyvm, I'll keep that, cancels the bet due to "low fee" and left a message on the bet slip referencing the previous 15BTC bet,,

Rangernation creates account here, asks for refund, directbet says "email support" Rangernation says "why should I?"

Directbet ignores some more, Rangernation acts as if he doesn't understand anything except his money is gone.

Directbet accuses Ranger of being Hungerman, Rangernation appears more confused, DirectBet ignores some more.




I think the chances of Rangernation being guilty are very high.  If I were forced to pick a number right this second, I'd say greater than 96% chance he's guilty.

Also, I believe DirectBet runs their site with far more integrity than most Bitcoin gambling establishments.

However, the only way DirectBet can ethically keep this wager is if they can prove that there is a 0% chance Rangernation is innocent.  I think most likely it will be impossible for them to prove this and they have only themselves to blame for being in this situation again.

If DirectBet does not return the wager, or prove the chances of Rangernation being innocent is 0%, they should receive neg rep until they att least change something that will prevent this from happening again.  Otherwise, it will keep happening.  

DirectBet should be willing to allow themselves to be scammed many more than 20 times if it means not robbing one player.

Ways to fix problem:

• Tell all players there's a chance they will be accused of double spend and their funds confiscated before they make every bet.
• Figure out a good dispute mediation system that can't be influenced and make all players aware there's a chance they will be accused of double spend, and if they do someone besides DB will decide.  ( randomly selected small jury from pool of trusted users could work)
• Quit accepting action on unconfirmed bets.

And they respond 0 times all the while posting their spam .000005 btc promos.

rangernation is an hacker who defrauded us, and not for the first time.

We already replied to him one week ago with our decision yet he is misleading you by stating that we never replied.

Since this was not the first time, and since we already gave him a second chance, we are not going to discuss this with him any further.

https://www.directbet.eu

^^^^Don't do that if you want to maintain public rep, you can't ignore ANYONE.

@twitchy, I was just saying ive posted here numerous times waiting for directbet to see the bump to return. They literally haven't responded to a single email, pm, or forum post. Crazy.

I dont think you know how it works or what happened. Lol.

I have posted here numerous times and they just post spam .000001 btc promos.

I sent btc, and their page said bet rejected and coin would be returned after 1 confirmation. So the bet wasn't Live. Or thats how I interpretted their site.   Now hundreds of confimrations later they didnt return or message.

I have no idea what their deal is, but ignoring players and holding their coin for long periods of time is not the key to success

They are accusing you of freerolling them in this bet: https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1JtH9TefRKwB9W71qeD2fAGGCp27PtWnnn
By double spending the wager and cancelling it once you realized it would likely lose.
(notice the transaction id doesn't exist.  that usually indicates it was pruned from the network bc the balance was spent in a different tx)


They stole your 9BTC wager because they think you stole 15BTC from them.

DB,

This is not the way to handle the situation.  

Stop acting like Betcoin.

The problem 9btc is accepted or not? why he say directbet has steal 9 btc because i see in screenshoot he had lose 15 btc.

That 15btc was double spent and he got away with it. So when he tried to do it again with the 9btc, directbet caught up and seized the funds.

edit: https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1J48n6KMDKutNcb68ywoHgfrZVkD28Vrfk

[rangernation]

that is NOT my 15 btc bet. I sent 9 btc with a normal fee on the 30th. Looking through their forum they have lots of people that have bets that they had to come post to get refunded, so it appears they have a system of NOT returning automatically and making users go through hoops to get their coin back.

@ darkstar. Even if that is their address (of which they havent signed) , they could easily of created that themselves and just "waited" for someone to send a transaction and said after the fact it was them. Literally the perfect selective scam.

They responded with 1 message PM 2 DAYS after my transaction saying "hey you stole from us, tough luck" and then shutdown like a highschool girl who didnt get asked to prom. No messages, no email, no anything. 9 days later still nothing. 

Pretty bad way to handle customer support and others should be aware of my experience with this website.

I would avoid this site as they stole 9 btc from me.

[robinH]

Quick summary of what I think happened and what I think should happen.  (I'm not involved personally)

Rangernation placed 15BTC which was doublespent.  (The bet lost, but he didn't lost the 15BTC)

Couple days later he placed a 9BTC bet. Directbet said tyvm, I'll keep that, cancels the bet due to "low fee" and left a message on the bet slip referencing the previous 15BTC bet,,

Rangernation creates account here, asks for refund, directbet says "email support" Rangernation says "why should I?"

Directbet ignores some more, Rangernation acts as if he doesn't understand anything except his money is gone.

Directbet accuses Ranger of being Hungerman, Rangernation appears more confused, DirectBet ignores some more.




I think the chances of Rangernation being guilty are very high.  If I were forced to pick a number right this second, I'd say greater than 96% chance he's guilty.

Also, I believe DirectBet runs their site with far more integrity than most Bitcoin gambling establishments.

However, the only way DirectBet can ethically keep this wager is if they can prove that there is a 0% chance Rangernation is innocent.  I think most likely it will be impossible for them to prove this and they have only themselves to blame for being in this situation again.

If DirectBet does not return the wager, or prove the chances of Rangernation being innocent is 0%, they should receive neg rep until they att least change something that will prevent this from happening again.  Otherwise, it will keep happening.  

DirectBet should be willing to allow themselves to be scammed many more than 20 times if it means not robbing one player.

Ways to fix problem:

• Tell all players there's a chance they will be accused of double spend and their funds confiscated before they make every bet.
• Figure out a good dispute mediation system that can't be influenced and make all players aware there's a chance they will be accused of double spend, and if they do someone besides DB will decide.  ( randomly selected small jury from pool of trusted users could work)
• Quit accepting action on unconfirmed bets.

And they respond 0 times all the while posting their spam .000005 btc promos.

rangernation is an hacker who defrauded us, and not for the first time.

We already replied to him one week ago with our decision yet he is misleading you by stating that we never replied.

Since this was not the first time, and since we already gave him a second chance, we are not going to discuss this with him any further.

https://www.directbet.eu

^^^^Don't do that if you want to maintain public rep, you can't ignore ANYONE.

@twitchy, I was just saying ive posted here numerous times waiting for directbet to see the bump to return. They literally haven't responded to a single email, pm, or forum post. Crazy.

I dont think you know how it works or what happened. Lol.

I have posted here numerous times and they just post spam .000001 btc promos.

I sent btc, and their page said bet rejected and coin would be returned after 1 confirmation. So the bet wasn't Live. Or thats how I interpretted their site.   Now hundreds of confimrations later they didnt return or message.

I have no idea what their deal is, but ignoring players and holding their coin for long periods of time is not the key to success

They are accusing you of freerolling them in this bet: https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1JtH9TefRKwB9W71qeD2fAGGCp27PtWnnn
By double spending the wager and cancelling it once you realized it would likely lose.
(notice the transaction id doesn't exist.  that usually indicates it was pruned from the network bc the balance was spent in a different tx)


They stole your 9BTC wager because they think you stole 15BTC from them.

DB,

This is not the way to handle the situation.  

Stop acting like Betcoin.

TwitchySeal I respect your opinion a lot, but saying ragernation made the double-spend bet is wrong.

On what basis did you reach this conclusion? Where is the evidence he did it? Or are you just going with directbet.eu's word? If you know something we don't know please share...

We don't know if ragernation  made the double-spend bet. What we know is that directbet.eu claims he did. And until directbet.eu produces sufficient evidence to this effect, then I am giving ragernation the benefit of the doubt. And the forum/community should do the same.

ragernation made a bet and  directbet.eu rejected the bet. directbet.eu seized his funds claiming he double spent another bet. ragernation denies having anything to do with the double-spend.

Fine... directbet.eu must prove these claims. Without proof linking ragernation to the double-spend bet, all we know is that directbet.eu says and thinks ragernation made the double-spend bet. This is not enough for me. directbet.eu must show proof linking ragernation to the double-spend bet.

If they show proof, and it checks out, they are within their rights to keep the btc. And ragernation should receive red trust and forfeit the btc. If they cannot prove it, they must refund ragernation immediately.

Thinking/Saying ragernation double spent and proving he did it are entirely different things. We shouldn't think because directbet.eu refunded hungerstyle that they are beyond reproach. They must be held accountable whenever they are wrong. And if they are confisticating wagers based on suspicion, and without any solid proof, then they are wrong.

directbet.eu  surely before you took this decision you had enough evidence? Please show us why you think ragernation is responsible for the double-spent bet. I am sorry, but just saying he did it without any proof is not enough. If you cant and wont, then do the right thing and refund ragernation.

[TwitchySeal]

@RobinH,

I did not intend my explanation to be interpreted as anything other than speculation.  It's not proven, and I don't believe it can be proven.  I added another "I THINK" to the post just now.  Hopefully nobody else will misunderstand me.  I was just trying to give a tl;dr since neither DB or ranger seemed to want to.


DirectBet is exploitable, they need to fix it or we should expect them to go broke from double spends or simply losing the public trust because of how they dealt with double spends.

DirectBet, if one person can successfully double spend and freeroll you, you can't stop them.  You run an anonymous sports book.  Stop trying and start fixing.  

[james.lent]

@RobinH,

I did not intend my explanation to be interpreted as anything other than speculation.  It's not proven, and I don't believe it can be proven.  I added another "I THINK" to the post just now.  Hopefully nobody else will misunderstand me.  I was just trying to give a tl;dr since neither DB or ranger seemed to want to.


DirectBet is exploitable, they need to fix it or we should expect them to go broke from double spends or simply losing the public trust because of how they dealt with double spends.

DirectBet, if one person can successfully double spend and freeroll you, you can't stop them.  You run an anonymous sports book.  Stop trying and start fixing.  

You're right. All of these can be easily avoided if they increase their required fees for bets. Those playing big, im sure they wont mind including a bigger fee.

[Quickseller]

If directbet wishes to provide me with evidence/reasons as to why they believe the OP previously defrauded them I would be happy to vouch for their rationale while keeping the specifics confidential.

(I'll look into this later myself).

[AcoinL.L.C]

Even in the event rangernation did double spend attack them, it is wrong of them to take the bet. If you want to offer no confirmation deposits, be prepared to deal with the consequences.

[rangernation]

what are you talking about? I sent 9.04 btc and never got it back.  Go look at their support thread and all the ignorning and posting of spam they do.

[xetsr]

what are you talking about? I sent 9.04 btc and never got it back.  Go look at their support thread and all the ignorning and posting of spam they do.

Do you at least deny them warning you not to do it again?

[rangernation]

what are you talking about? I sent 9.04 btc and never got it back.  Go look at their support thread and all the ignorning and posting of spam they do.

Do you at least deny them warning you not to do it again?

Yes lol they just sent some bs response and then ignore everythig trying to sweep it under the rug hoping i go queit. Maybe it works for them 9/10 times

Look at the directbet thread you can see how they handle their customer support. 0 emails, 0 messages, 0 pms, and just spam their thread with .000005 btc promos to bury.

IMO, It is a reflection of the book and their liquidity and anyone making serious wagers should really think twice before firing.

[xetsr]

what are you talking about? I sent 9.04 btc and never got it back.  Go look at their support thread and all the ignorning and posting of spam they do.

Do you at least deny them warning you not to do it again?

Yes lol they just sent some bs response and then ignore everythig trying to sweep it under the rug hoping i go queit. Maybe it works for them 9/10 times

Look at the directbet thread you can see how they handle their customer support. 0 emails, 0 messages, 0 pms, and just spam their thread with .000005 btc promos to bury.

IMO, It is a reflection of the book and their liquidity and anyone making serious wagers should really think twice before firing.

LOL. Nobody should be making serious wagers on MLB and most other sports using BTC at directbet because of their odds. This is why I'm doubting you.

[rangernation]

LOL. Nobody should be making serious wagers on MLB and most other sports using BTC at directbet because of their odds. This is why I'm doubting you.

Direcbet is one of the few books with listed pitchers and in running baseball. If your saying you dont trust directbet, then I agree and that makes sense.

They are just stalling to hope people dont see what is actually going on. Going back through their forum to just JUNE 6th there are over a dozen posts of people who didnt get paid out automatically for one reason or another.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg15474719#msg15474719
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg15481375#msg15481375
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg15374591#msg15374591
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg15358609#msg15358609
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg15365496#msg15365496
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg15278789#msg15278789
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg15284136#msg15284136
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg15224492#msg15224492
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg15236398#msg15236398

One guy even writes " "Whats the deal with no paying out won bets after the initial transaction has many confirmations?"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg15236505#msg15236505

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg15240315#msg15240315
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg15243505#msg15243505
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg15186040#msg15186040
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg15199261#msg15199261
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg15204232#msg15204232
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg15102784#msg15102784

Many many more before june6th too but you get the point.

Sure some of these could of been user error, but all of them? Directbet clearly has a habbit of halting transactions and making people come claim them.

My gut says they are just taking a historical double spend transaction and claiming it to be theres. Another user pointed out directbet could sign a message proving ownership. Great, but they havent done that in over a week and for a game company would probably be easy, no? No Proof, no nothing. Just theft.

IF it is theres, they could easily of created that transaction themselves and in doing so laying out the perfect selective scam. Wait for the right transaction/ to make it look funny to build support. Could explain why so many people's transactions are held up.  Nobody would know the wiser.  Or they did take a loss, and are falsely blaming me. In no way was my transaction fraud because it had a fee!

I know that was not my transaction that you claim is a previous doublespend and directbet has stolen 9.04 btc from me that was sent over 2 weeks ago.