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[HCP]

A person must use telegram, must trust you and must have some btc for play with this. I don't think that works, sorry.

Telegram is multi-platform. Has Android, iOS, Windows, MacOS, Linux and a web client... hell it even has WindowsPhone which is usually ignored by everybody! To be honest, this comment is almost the same as saying "You must use a web browser" as a reason not to use a service. 

I do agree that there is an implied level of trust here. That they will not run off with your money and will pay out. But this is also true of pretty much all online casino/sportsbooks. Just because it doesn't have the $$$ to spend on fancy websites, doesn't mean it is a scam. Hell, look at HashOcean... that had a plenty fancy website... that disappeared overnight with millions of dollars worth of bitcoins!

How to get around this? Play small... Only deposit when you wish to make a bet... don't hold large amounts of bitcoins in the service for extended periods of time... you know, all the common sense stuff you do with any 3rd party service that you are trusting with your precious BTC

Must have some BTC is also a relatively valid, but I'd say minor, concern. I guess for a lot of people, not being able to put funds in from fiat services like credit cards, Paypal etc would be problematic. But there are plenty of other services online that allow you to buy bitcoins using fiat, which you could use to purchase your bitcoins and transfer them over... so I don't see it as being a HUGE issue...

[btckold24]

Trust is always a issue with new sites (not just new ways to bet) I personally think the idea is cool and innovative.  I do think you need to work
out a way to explain it easier and streamline it. Seems confusing and to many steps to get a large mass of people to adopt it. I do think its a
cool idea and wish you luck with the project.

[HCP]

@bittysmalls,

Couple of things... how long does a payout on a bet usually take? I put a bet on last night for an event that was due to run this morning... When I do /pending, I get:

0.0015 btc on Fleetwood Town v
Liverpool, Moneyline, Liverpool
(-210) started 11 hours ago

Liverpool won 5-0... (I knew I should have taken the -1 spread or the over 2.5! hahah )

Also, would there be a way to customise the way the odds are displayed? I'm not terribly familiar with this system (I believe it is the US system)... so seeing a value of -210 means pretty much nothing to me... I believe it means I would need to wager 210 to get back 100... but I've no idea how much I'll get back if I wager like $10...

I'm more used to the decimal/European (ie. 1.09) or fractional/UK (ie. 4/1) type odds display.

[RussianRaibow]

Well I placed my first bet with this bot yesterday.  I bet on a boxing match that is going to take place in a couple of days.  It was pretty easy to navigate the menus and place my bet.  I really liked it actually, I will probably use it again.  It's a lot easy for me than navigating complex sports betting websites.  I'm looking forward to seeing if I win in a couple days.  Thanks again for the faucet money to play with!

[bittysmalls]

@bittysmalls,

Couple of things... how long does a payout on a bet usually take? I put a bet on last night for an event that was due to run this morning... When I do /pending, I get:

0.0015 btc on Fleetwood Town v
Liverpool, Moneyline, Liverpool
(-210) started 11 hours ago

Liverpool won 5-0... (I knew I should have taken the -1 spread or the over 2.5! hahah )

Also, would there be a way to customise the way the odds are displayed? I'm not terribly familiar with this system (I believe it is the US system)... so seeing a value of -210 means pretty much nothing to me... I believe it means I would need to wager 210 to get back 100... but I've no idea how much I'll get back if I wager like $10...

I'm more used to the decimal/European (ie. 1.09) or fractional/UK (ie. 4/1) type odds display.

Congrats on the win! You should see your payout now. We're working on a system to resolve wagers automatically, but for now we're resolving manually. So give it a 24-hour window or so to pay out.

Good call about the display system. Does anyone else here prefer those formats?  If so I'll add it to the task list.

To answer your question, wagering 210 to win 100 is a proportion too. You'd flip it to find your profit for wagering $10.
$10 * 100/210 ~= $4.76 profit

Anyways, it's a lot of mental conversion if you're used to seeing it a certain way. Two ideas: 1. you could enter different amounts and the bot calculate for you how much you stand to win 2. like you suggested, we could have a preferences menu where you can customize your display.

[HCP]

Congrats on the win! You should see your payout now. We're working on a system to resolve wagers automatically, but for now we're resolving manually. So give it a 24-hour window or so to pay out.

Good call about the display system. Does anyone else here prefer those formats?  If so I'll add it to the task list.

To answer your question, wagering 210 to win 100 is a proportion too. You'd flip it to find your profit for wagering $10.
$10 * 100/210 ~= $4.76 profit

Anyways, it's a lot of mental conversion if you're used to seeing it a certain way. Two ideas: 1. you could enter different amounts and the bot could tell you how much you stand to win 2. like you suggested, we could have a preferences menu where you can customize your display.

Cheers... yep, I can see the payout now... woooooo look at me the professional sports gambler!    I'll be more patient next time...

Yeah, I was reading about how the US odds system works... man, those americans like to complicate stuff! Seriously... what is so difficult about odds of 1.09 etc? I put in 10... I get 10x1.09 back... EASY... it's like feet, inches, yards and miles... hahaha

Personally, I think I would prefer a preferences menu that would let me customise which way to display the odds... But then, I'm not your coder...  (Big shout out to your dev team, what you've come up with so far is actually pretty intuitive and easy... and I've been there and faced the "But it's only a checkbox... how hard can it be to add it in?" type requests before )

[HCP]

Ok,

I have run across a small issue with the bot...



As you can see from the screenshot, I selected and then placed a 0.0015 bet on a Moneyline for one team (Aberdeen @ -230)... but now when I look at my pending bets, it says it is for the other team (Ventspils @ 675!!?!)  

You might want to double check your code... and cancel my bet!

[bittysmalls]

Ok,

I have run across a small issue with the bot...

http://iforce.co.nz/i/wu231cum.2hd.png

As you can see from the screenshot, I selected and then placed a 0.0015 bet on a Moneyline for one team (Aberdeen @ -230)... but now when I look at my pending bets, it says it is for the other team (Ventspils @ 675!!?!)  

You might want to double check your code... and cancel my bet!

I just checked the database and you can rest assured that your bet was for Aberdeen. I can't seem to view your screenshot so I'm not sure exactly what's going on, but my guess is that it's the formatting causing you to interpret it incorrectly, or at worst a display bug with the bot. At any rate thanks for reporting and if you could re-upload the screenshot I'll have another look.

[HCP]

Hmmm maybe it is the image host that I used. I have uploaded the screenshot to imgur:

http://imgur.com/iwcHoKT

Hopefully you can view this one... if not, let me know and I'll try something else.

[bittysmalls]

Hmmm maybe it is the image host that I used. I have uploaded the screenshot to imgur:

http://imgur.com/iwcHoKT

Hopefully you can view this one... if not, let me know and I'll try something else.

Can't go wrong with imgur.

We just confirmed a display bug and fixed it. Could you try viewing that pending bet again and let me know if you see the right team now?

We don't have a bug bounty system yet but I went ahead and comped you a small bonus for your trouble. Thanks for being our first player and beta tester

[HCP]

Ok, yeah... it is showing up as expected now...

0.0015 on Aberdeen v Ventspils,
Moneyline, Aberdeen (-230) starting
5 hours from now

 

I'll be really bummed if Ventspils win! haha

Also, cheers for the extra cash... hopefully I don't lose it all too soon... I'm kinda excited for the beginning of EPL now with this remarkably simply and easy betting system 

[bittysmalls]

.. and Aberdeen dominates.

[HCP]

Yeah... I forgot to put my bet on the Airbus UK Broughton vs. Colchester United game... I would have won that one too!

Ok, so a couple more things that I have noticed and think might be helpful for others:

Is there a reason why some of your spread bets are in 0.25s and 0.75s?

Spread
/DD3 Airbus UK Broughton 1.25 (-107)
/DD4 Colchester United -1.25 (-112)

/CC3 Inter Milan (n) -1.75 (104)
/CC4 CSKA Sofia 1.75 (-124)

I realise it really makes no difference to the result as such... as regardless of the decimal value used, it still achieves the same result... preventing a "tie" bet... I'm just used to seeing 0.5 increments

Speaking of "tie" bets... I noticed that there have been some "even" spreads... like the Aberdeen one was

Spread
/QQ3 Aberdeen -1 (-133)
/QQ4 Ventspils 1 (104)

If the score had been 2-1 to Aberdeen, resulting in the spread score being 1-1 if you took the Aberdeen option... what would the result of the bet be? ie. what is @BookieBig's policy on "tie" bets for "even" spreads? Is it a loss for the punter or a no result, funds returned type deal?

[bittysmalls]

@HCP

A non-0.5 spread actually gives more information - for example a change from 0.25 to 0.75 means the odds are shifting slightly higher. We could hide it if you'd like

For a spread bet, if it's a draw after applying the spread, @BookieBig counts it as a push. So in your example if the score was 2-1 to Aberdeen you'd get your money back for a spread bet on Aberdeen -1. However, for moneyline bets a draw would count as a loss for the punter.

[HCP]

@HCP

A non-0.5 spread actually gives more information - for example a change from 0.25 to 0.75 means the odds are shifting slightly higher. We could hide it if you'd like

Ahhhh I suspected that there would be a reason for it... and I thought it might be to show that, in the opinion of the bookie it was going to be a tight result... or they felt that the team was almost good enough for a whole other point. Nice feature that I haven't actually seen in most sportsbooks.

For a spread bet, if it's a draw after applying the spread, @BookieBig counts it as a push. So in your example if the score was 2-1 to Aberdeen you'd get your money back for a spread bet on Aberdeen -1. However, for moneyline bets a draw would count as a loss for the punter.

As I'm about to find out... stupid Hull City... meh... couldn't even score 1 goal against Grimsby Town... GRIMSBY TOWN!!?!  

Still, it might be worth adding a /FAQ or /help command to the bot, to explain your house rules for such things... I know some sportsbooks will count a draw on a spread bet as a loss...  So it would be a good idea to point out that you guys are awesome and count it as a push

[DarkStar_]

A non-0.5 spread actually gives more information - for example a change from 0.25 to 0.75 means the odds are shifting slightly higher. We could hide it if you'd like

No. I'm assuming you are agreeing with HCP's post about how it makes no difference. It does. Betting on a 0.25 handicap means half your money is placed on +0, and half on +0.5. A 0.75 handicap means half your money is on +0.5, and half on +1. Here is an example, in case it confused you:
Team A vs Team B
I take Team A +0.25 @2 (+100 American odds) with 1 BTC. If Team A ties the match, half my money is refunded, and the other half counted as won. My profit is 0.5 BTC. If Team A wins, than my profit is 1 BTC. If Team A loses, than I lose everything. A 0.75 handicap works in the same way, except with +0.5 and +1. If team B wins by 1 point, half my money is lost and half is refunded (a push). If they draw or Team A wins, both are won and I profit 1 BTC. Negative handicaps work in the same way.

Nice feature that I haven't actually seen in most sportsbooks.

That is because most sportsbooks follow the rules of Points Spread betting, and don't use a system that no one else uses.

I know some sportsbooks will count a draw on a spread bet as a loss...

All they have to do is call it an Asian Handicap, then people will understand if they are familiar with betting terminology, or google it and find out.

[HCP]

This would explain why I hadn't seen it before then.

I'm not familiar with the Asian Handicap system. I've seen it mentioned a few times, but most of the services I have used have generally focused on what is being referred to as "Moneyline" options or standard spread betting with whole/half decimals (and other little side bets like first scorer etc)

Having gone away and done exactly what you suggested (yay for Google), I am now a lot more conversant with Asian Handicap... seems like a nice option having those 0.25s and .75s to offer you some cover for tight games that are likely to be a 1 point win or draw.

@bittysmalls, so are your 0.25s and 0.75s actual Asian Handicap odds and will payout appropriately?

[bittysmalls]

My mistake, apologies for the confusion.

@DarkStar's absolutely right, the quarter-point spread values are typically used for asian handicap. Unfortunately we don't support asian handicap yet so any bet on 0.25 or 0.75 spreads would resolve as if it were 0.5.  Will change the spread display soon to match policy.

If there's enough demand, we'll consider adding it in the future!

[megalox]

minimum withdrawal and turnover? i guess its giveaway so no turnover

right?

[bittysmalls]

minimum withdrawal and turnover? i guess its giveaway so no turnover

right?

Min withdraw is 0.0001 btc. No turnover.