TURKEY COUP ATTEMPT

[protokol]

Just heard that the military has complete control of Turkey now. General is being held hostage.
All this happening within last 24 hours is very disturbing.
So does this indeed mean that Turkey will become an islamic state ruled by the Turkish army?

No the opposite.

Yes, exactly this. The Turkish army are staging this coup in opposition to Erdogans radical muslim values, they generally favour secularism and democracy. This is why I think the US and/or the EU may have something to do with it.

The West is on the side of the military here.

I dont know supporting a military coup in an allied nation is something ridiculous ugh....

Dont forget that erdogan was voted in by majority of the turks (even though there voting laws are hard for the opposition)

It seems ridiculous, but the West was supporting Syrian rebels only a couple of years ago, in their fight against Al-Assad. It's not that out of the ordinary.

edit: not an allied nation, but still noteworthy.

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Dont forget that erdogan was voted in by majority of the turks (even though there voting laws are hard for the opposition)

Was that before or after he put all opposing journalists in jail? I always mix up things there...

War do not solve anything. People must talk aka negotiate !

And risk being jailed for insulting Erdogan?!

That is nothing new and is happening for a long time now in turkey.
But this is a problem which the turkish people should solve by themself with democracy and the rule of law.
If the military coup succeed there will be a time of quasi dictatorship because that is what a military government is... please think about the consequences.

And btw. should the coup not succeed then this event will give erdogan a huge political power up, which he will use to fight every opposition left and to strengthen his islamic agenda over turkey.

It seems that turkey wil move away from democracy for sure - atleast for the near future.

Edit:

@protokol

Yeah, but turkey is a nato member state and additionaly has strong political and economical links with the eu. That would be on a whole new level.

[protokol]

@protokol

Yeah, but turkey is a nato member state and additionaly has strong political and economical links with the eu. That would be on a whole new level.

I agree, and I have no evidence for foreign involvement, just a hunch.

My comment earlier was mainly a follow-on in my agreement that a successful coup would not create an "islamic state ruled by the military" but, as you said, the opposite.

This would IMO greatly benefit the West, which is why I speculate western involvement.

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@protokol

Yeah, but turkey is a nato member state and additionaly has strong political and economical links with the eu. That would be on a whole new level.

I agree, and I have no evidence for foreign involvement, just a hunch.

My comment earlier was mainly a follow-on in my agreement that a successful coup would not create an "islamic state ruled by the military" but, as you said, the opposite.

This would IMO greatly benefit the West, which is why I speculate western involvement.

Yeah i fully agree, the west would very likely profit in the long run.


Edit:

I really hope intelligence and humanism will prevail tonight and in the coming days in turkey.
It would be catastrophic to see another break out of a civil war.


Right now it seems government sources are stating that the coup failed and is over(german news).

[tvbcof]

Erdogan's days were numbered from the moment he humiliated Netenyahoo on the world stage just after the Mavi Marmara thing.  I expected him to go down like Qaddafi or Saddam and that is still quite possibly his fate.

[protokol]

Erdogan's plane about to land in Istanbul https://www.flightradar24.com/THY8456/a5a3952

[protokol]

Grand National Assembly (Parliament building has been bombed multiple times. 12 people injured, 2 critical.



CNN Turkey building taken over by soldiers.

Just another tank driving over a car with protestors clinging to it...

[protokol]

LInk to CNN Turk being taken over : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO0g09LfbNQ&feature=youtu.be

[criptix]

Explosions right now @atatürk airport and ankara (german news)

It is not over yet

Twitter is online for turkey again

German news shows live stream of cnn türk which was stormed by soldiers

[protokol]

LInk to CNN Turk being taken over : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO0g09LfbNQ&feature=youtu.be

Shots fired in/outside CNN Turk building

[protokol]

[ingiltere]

These barbarians cut throat of a Turkish soldier. Erdogan is the worst guy in whole Middle East. He needs to be stopped. They called themselves Turkish but they brutally kill private soldiers. All these organisations made for Erdogan to be president and control the whole country until he dies.

[J. J. Phillips]

Just heard that the military has complete control of Turkey now. General is being held hostage.
All this happening within last 24 hours is very disturbing.
So does this indeed mean that Turkey will become an islamic state ruled by the Turkish army?

No the opposite.

Yes, exactly this. The Turkish army are staging this coup in opposition to Erdogans radical muslim values, they generally favour secularism and democracy. This is why I think the US and/or the EU may have something to do with it.

The West is on the side of the military here.

I'd guess that Obama and much of Western Europe helped Erdogan survive this attempt. They tend to be on the side of "radical muslim values."

[J. J. Phillips]

These barbarians cut throat of a Turkish soldier. Erdogan is the worst guy in whole Middle East. He needs to be stopped. They called themselves Turkish but they brutally kill private soldiers. All these organisations made for Erdogan to be president and control the whole country until he dies.

They're just following the example of their prophet. Erdogan is what the barbarians want and what they deserve. Fuck 'em.

[J. J. Phillips]

I really hope intelligence and humanism will prevail tonight and in the coming days in turkey.

That's a terrible anti-Islamic statement, since the only way "intelligence" and "humanism" could prevail in Turkey is if they stopped following the example of an insane illiterate violent pedophile "prophet." In other words, I approve of your sentiments for once.

[Daniel91]

The Turkish army started this coup because of radical Muslim values promoted by Erdogan.
They tried, like several times already in the history of Turkey, bring back secularism and democracy.
This time without success.
Erdogan is not democrat but dictator (no freedom for press, Kurds etc.).
Unfortunately, after this event, there is no other power in Turkey which can seriously challenge him and protect freedom and democracy in Turkey.

[J. J. Phillips]

The Turkish army started this coup because of radical Muslim values promoted by Erdogan.
They tried, like several times already in the history of Turkey, bring back secularism and democracy.
This time without success.
Erdogan is not democrat but dictator (no freedom for press, Kurds etc.).
Unfortunately, after this event, there is no other power in Turkey which can seriously challenge him and protect freedom and democracy in Turkey.

Erdogan is both a "democrat" and a "dictator."

Most Turks vote for an Islamic authoritarian dictatorship every chance they get, and this is what they're getting.

Much like you Germans vote to be invaded by an Islamic front every chance they get, and as a result you Germans are being invaded by an Islamic front.

Fascism is popular. It's the most likely outcome of true democracy.

[jupiterdianysa]

The Turkey coup d'etat was a deliberate false flag by Erdogan to cement his power

It's simple, really.

Erdogan was struggling with approval lately, thus he orchestrated a coup during which, inexplicably, a lot civilians were injured, killed or at least fired upon (in contrast to the past 4 coups, where the military focus was solely on government).

Now he has a legitimate reason to cut civil liberties even more, suppress all opposition and become a de-facto dictator with little resistance from the international community.

And since he smack down a coup by dangerous psychos killing civilians and not a legitimate opposition, he will walk away the hero protecting his people.

Edit: Also consider how quickly this ended and the small part of the military that was involved. All past coups have been orchestrated nation-wide by huge portions of the military.

[kratarzu]

The Turkey coup d'etat was a deliberate false flag by Erdogan to cement his power

It's simple, really.

Erdogan was struggling with approval lately, thus he orchestrated a coup during which, inexplicably, a lot civilians were injured, killed or at least fired upon (in contrast to the past 4 coups, where the military focus was solely on government).

Now he has a legitimate reason to cut civil liberties even more, suppress all opposition and become a de-facto dictator with little resistance from the international community.

And since he smack down a coup by dangerous psychos killing civilians and not a legitimate opposition, he will walk away the hero protecting his people.

Edit: Also consider how quickly this ended and the small part of the military that was involved. All past coups have been orchestrated nation-wide by huge portions of the military.

Yeah, its suspicious and raises alot of questions.

[tsaroz]

The Turkey coup d'etat was a deliberate false flag by Erdogan to cement his power

It's simple, really.

Erdogan was struggling with approval lately, thus he orchestrated a coup during which, inexplicably, a lot civilians were injured, killed or at least fired upon (in contrast to the past 4 coups, where the military focus was solely on government).

Now he has a legitimate reason to cut civil liberties even more, suppress all opposition and become a de-facto dictator with little resistance from the international community.

And since he smack down a coup by dangerous psychos killing civilians and not a legitimate opposition, he will walk away the hero protecting his people.

Edit: Also consider how quickly this ended and the small part of the military that was involved. All past coups have been orchestrated nation-wide by huge portions of the military.

Yeah, its suspicious and raises alot of questions.

A conspiracy theory but what I'm sure is Erdogan is not the right person for Turkey's leadership and is suffering.