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July 16, 2016, 11:32:06 PM
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USA fail to change illegally the political power in Turkey.



US Base in Turkey is cutted out from Energy supply.

https://www.rt.com/news/351606-usa-incirlik-base-turkey-blocked/


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July 17, 2016, 03:16:20 AM
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I wondered when I saw the events unfold if the plan hadn't been hatched  by Erdogan himself.  How incompetent are these generals to have left some social media available for Erdogan's plea to the public for help?  That Erdogan was apprised of the situation before the insurgents were able to take political leaders into their custody.  That they were unable to secure the airport?  That they supposedly bombed the place where Erdogan had been vacationing but was no longer there?
The coup failed on every level!
 Now  Erdogan will be able to cement himself in power because he can remove even more of the military leadership and install more Erdogan loyalists.  I believe he has ridden the bus of democracy as far as was required and he has decided that this is his stop. 

 I don't believe the US had any part in this particular event.
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Heard that the Turks cut off power to the Incirlik air base. Erdogan might have got information that the CIA is behind the coup attempt.

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July 17, 2016, 01:00:29 PM
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The commander of the air base of Incirlik is arrested.
( http://www.skynewsarabia.com )

http://www.incirlik.af.mil/

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July 17, 2016, 01:06:26 PM
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 I don't believe the US had any part in this particular event.


You will cheap videos of tortured turkish militaries talking on the camera about CIA instructions?
They need time to produce such videos.
After that You will talking about tortures and other shit.
LOL

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We have got to remember that the CIA backed the coup in 1980, 36 years ago
– half a million people were arrested.
We can’t be sure whether it is going to be that number this time round.
It’s interesting that the Prime Minister so quickly blamed the Gulen movement.
 Now, who is this movement?
The cleric lives in the US. Well, that is the movement that reportedly funds the Hillary Clinton campaign.
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https://www.rt.com/op-edge/351644-nato-nations-aid-erdogan/

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July 17, 2016, 02:10:43 PM
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 I don't believe the US had any part in this particular event.


You will cheap videos of tortured turkish militaries talking on the camera about CIA instructions?
They need time to produce such videos.
After that You will talking about tortures and other shit.
LOL

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We have got to remember that the CIA backed the coup in 1980, 36 years ago
– half a million people were arrested.
We can’t be sure whether it is going to be that number this time round.
It’s interesting that the Prime Minister so quickly blamed the Gulen movement.
 Now, who is this movement?
The cleric lives in the US. Well, that is the movement that reportedly funds the Hillary Clinton campaign.
...
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/351644-nato-nations-aid-erdogan/

 I don't really understand what you are saying in the first quote.  There was a lot of confusion from the onset.  I'm sure many mistakes were made.
 
 As far as the second quote.  Lol.
How many former Turkish clerics are living in USA?  It seems like a convenient scapegoat.

 Anyway, we peons will never be privy to the truth so we can only speculate.  US relations seemed pretty good with Turkey before this coup attempt.  What reason would they have for supporting a coup?  I haven't heard any theories put forward.
Granted, I am presently vacationing in the US so the media I'm getting may be biased.


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July 17, 2016, 02:16:58 PM
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USA fail to change illegally the political power in Turkey.
US Base in Turkey is cutted out from Energy supply.

This is not the strategy that is generally used in the past (Guatemala, Cuba, Libya). These events are different, I think this is an internal affair and given the chaos in the area could have other explanations.

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July 17, 2016, 02:21:16 PM
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A quote for the alleged mastermind:

Gulen sharply rejected any responsibility: “As someone who suffered under multiple military coups during the past five decades, it is especially insulting to be accused of having any link to such an attempt. I categorically deny such accusations.
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July 17, 2016, 02:27:45 PM
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 I don't really understand what you are saying in the first quote.


For the public opinion You will have some video depicting Turkish Militaries talking on camera obout CIA Instructions.
To produce such videos as proof the Win Side need some Time.

What is unclear?

Something similar to this Lyashko telling about taking blow jobs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX23QDFS-aI

Gulen sharply rejected any responsibility

Do You wait on other public reaction?

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 I don't really understand what you are saying in the first quote.


For the public opinion You will have some video depicting Turkish Militaries talking on camera obout CIA Instructions.
To produce such videos as proof the Win Side need some Time.

What is unclear?

Something similar to this Lyashko telling about taking blow jobs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX23QDFS-aI

 Yes, it was unclear as your English sentences are poorly constructed. 
 I have just read in an American publication that Ahmet Nesin - a Turkish journalist - has come to the same conclusion as me.  I would suspect that he, like most journalists in Turkey with views that are not in line with the state, will be jailed. (yet again)
 I imagine the US news is more likely to be accurate than anything coming from Turkey.
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 I don't really understand what you are saying in the first quote.


For the public opinion You will have some video depicting Turkish Militaries talking on camera obout CIA Instructions.
To produce such videos as proof the Win Side need some Time.

What is unclear?

Something similar to this Lyashko telling about taking blow jobs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX23QDFS-aI

 Yes, it was unclear as your English sentences are poorly constructed. 
 I have just read in an American publication that Ahmet Nesin - a Turkish journalist - has come to the same conclusion as me.  I would suspect that he, like most journalists in Turkey with views that are not in line with the state, will be jailed. (yet again)
 I imagine the US news is more likely to be accurate than anything coming from Turkey.


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I imagine the US news is more likely to be accurate than anything coming from Turkey.




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A senior Turkish official said Gen. Bekir Ercan Van, the base commander, as well as 11 other service members from the base and a police officer, were placed under arrest.
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Well the government demans US to give Fethullah Gülen to Turkey but US denies. Fethullah Gülen's organisation is like a cult, government was very close with them, doing all sorts of stuff with them but they became enemies with Erdoğan later than.

Turkish here, feel free to ask me any questions.
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 I don't really understand what you are saying in the first quote.


For the public opinion You will have some video depicting Turkish Militaries talking on camera obout CIA Instructions.
To produce such videos as proof the Win Side need some Time.

What is unclear?

Something similar to this Lyashko telling about taking blow jobs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX23QDFS-aI

Gulen sharply rejected any responsibility

Do You wait on other public reaction?

 I watched a video from 1993?  To what end?  This is 2016.
As I stated earlier,  as a peon, I can only wait on events to be presented to me.  I have no investigative powers in any country.  Perhaps we will be able to find out what truly happened in Turkey last week in 2039 when it becomes available on YouTube?  Until then my only power is speculation.  Maybe you have some inside information?
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Well the government demans US to give Fethullah Gülen to Turkey

Please, put the proof of such demand.

I watched a video from 1993?  To what end?  This is 2016.

This is how the proofs are produced.
The court accept such videos.
And For the Public opinion such "proofs" are a 100% true.

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Well the government demans US to give Fethullah Gülen to Turkey but US denies. Fethullah Gülen's organisation is like a cult, government was very close with them, doing all sorts of stuff with them but they became enemies with Erdoğan later than.

Turkish here, feel free to ask me any questions.

 Excellent!
  Why do you consider them a cult?
Why do you not consider Erdogan as a member of this cult given the close, symbiotic relationship Gulen and Erdogan shared as they proffered democracy to the Turks and rose to power?
  
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Well the government demans US to give Fethullah Gülen to Turkey

Please, put the proof of such demand.
Proof of what? The relations between Gülen Movement and the Turkish Government have been very bad for the last few years. The government claims this was their job, Erdoğan said that they demand him from the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_government_%E2%80%93_G%C3%BClen_Movement_conflict

Well the government demans US to give Fethullah Gülen to Turkey but US denies. Fethullah Gülen's organisation is like a cult, government was very close with them, doing all sorts of stuff with them but they became enemies with Erdoğan later than.

Turkish here, feel free to ask me any questions.

 Excellent!
  Why do you consider them a cult?
Why do you not consider Erdogan as a member of this cult given the close, symbiotic relationship Gulen and Erdogan shared as they proffered democracy to the Turks and rose to power?
 

Because they're Islamists as well, having their own school courses which are over religious and stuff.

Erdoğan was very close with the Gülen Movement before like I said but now they're enemies, I wouldn't consider him a member of this movement.

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Well the government demans US to give Fethullah Gülen to Turkey

Please, put the proof of such demand.

I watched a video from 1993?  To what end?  This is 2016.

This is how the proofs are produced.
The court accept such videos.
And For the Public opinion such "proofs" are a 100% true.

 The proof of your first quote is in every American publication I pick up.  The Turkish courts indicted Gulen in October last year for crimes against the state; specifically for attempting to overthrow the government. They have been demanding his extradition since that time.

 As for your second, a court would accept this as proof of events in 1993 but not proof of events yesterday.  It would be inadmissible as evidence of the coup attempt.
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Well the government demans US to give Fethullah Gülen to Turkey

Please, put the proof of such demand.

I watched a video from 1993?  To what end?  This is 2016.

This is how the proofs are produced.
The court accept such videos.
And For the Public opinion such "proofs" are a 100% true.

 The proof of your first quote is in every American publication I pick up.  The Turkish courts indicted Gulen in October last year for crimes against the state; specifically for attempting to overthrow the government. They have been demanding his extradition since that time.

 As for your second, a court would accept this as proof of events in 1993 but not proof of events yesterday.  It would be inadmissible as evidence of the coup attempt.

I didn't say that Gülen was behind the coup, I just said what the government officials claimed. Like I said everything looks fishy about what happened these days.
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