Why not we all request refunds on a mass level? Power in the people!

[DBG]

I'm going to order an Avalon just because I'm thinking those will be out before my BFL order. I think my friends will do the same, but they will also request refunds from BFL. I think there is a trade law that if a company cannot produce something in 90 days they HAVE to by law refund money. Not even ask the customer, they are supposed to just do it with no questions or comments.

I hope the Avalon's go up for sale soon. As least they have working units in the wild, mining away.

You are likely referring to some part of Article 3 of the Uniform Commercial Code.  This has nothing to do with pre-orders though.  PayPal used to have a stipulation saying that all orders made had to be fulfilled within x number of days (it was sometime within the 1 - 3 month timeframe), however this seems to be removed from their ToS.  This is what I was talking about regarding keeping to the facts; just speculating will discredit your cause.  Also enjoy your Avalon, I personally like smaller powerhouses myself  .

[Beepbop]

I myself don't have the right to "start" anything,

Are you starting something mate? You better stop starting mate! Stop starting. Yeah you'd better start stopping mate. Stop starting.

To me this means people are willing to wait indefinitely on just the hope they will actually receive something here.

Maybe refunds follow more of a Poisson distribution? For the people that ordered early, it's pretty much a sunk cost by now.

[Bogart]

Wow.  You must be pretty angry opentoe.

I'm not.

I have a small personal interest in BFL's success.  I ordered 2 Jalapeños and a Little Single in February.  I'm not going to cancel my order and ask for a refund.  I consider it a sunk cost.

I believe BFL is really trying to ship the products they've been promising us.  The last thing they need is to have the proverbial rug pulled out from under them.

I also have a larger nonpersonal interest in BFL's success: Diversity.  We need more ASIC makers.  If Avalon ends up the only one standing when it comes to mining ASICs you can actually buy and hold in your hand, I think Bitcoin is in trouble.  "Power in the people" you say?  I agree.

I'm going to go ahead and extend this offer now: Josh, if you feel like BFL is is trouble and you're not able to make the chips/boards/miners work, please, let me come and help you guys.  I can contribute quite a variety of technical and nontechnical skills.  My price is only one Single per week worked.  (Obviously if the project fails I lose too and get nothing.)  I will sign NDAs.

I made this same offer to Tom, but he did not accept.  Don't go out like that.

[battmann]

Wow.  You must be pretty angry opentoe.

I'm not.

I have a small personal interest in BFL's success.  I ordered 2 Jalapeños and a Little Single in February.  I'm not going to cancel my order and ask for a refund.  I consider it a sunk cost.

I believe BFL is really trying to ship the products they've been promising us.  The last thing they need is to have the proverbial rug pulled out from under them.

I also have a larger nonpersonal interest in BFL's success: Diversity.  We need more ASIC makers.  If Avalon ends up the only one standing when it comes to mining ASICs you can actually buy and hold in your hand, I think Bitcoin is in trouble.  "Power in the people" you say?  I agree.

I'm going to go ahead and extend this offer now: Josh, if you feel like BFL is is trouble and you're not able to make the chips/boards/miners work, please, let me come and help you guys.  I can contribute quite a variety of technical and nontechnical skills.  My price is only one Single per week worked.  (Obviously if the project fails I lose too and get nothing.)  I will sign NDAs.

I made this same offer to Tom, but he did not accept.  Don't go out like that.

This. Just...look into it man. Idc what you've got goin' on; an outsiders head is usually, always, the answer.

[repentance]

What an interesting way for the OP to boycott BFL.

If I get my very first tattoo of BFL/LOGO or something on my arm or wrist would BFL give me a free SC and put me in front of the line when they come out?

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1337-can-i-get-free-sc.html

 

[Bicknellski]

I paid 93.5621BTC on 6/28 for the 8pack upgrade  

$6.551798217440609/btc on 6/28= $613
$46.438/btc on 3/13= $4344.84

 

How many BTC have you mined with your BFL?

[battmann]

What an interesting way for the OP to boycott BFL.

If I get my very first tattoo of BFL/LOGO or something on my arm or wrist would BFL give me a free SC and put me in front of the line when they come out?

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1337-can-i-get-free-sc.html

 

Classic. What an ass

[repentance]

What an interesting way for the OP to boycott BFL.

If I get my very first tattoo of BFL/LOGO or something on my arm or wrist would BFL give me a free SC and put me in front of the line when they come out?

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1337-can-i-get-free-sc.html

 

Classic. What an ass

Yeah, maybe Josh needs to start cancelling the orders of those who try to incite others to cancel so that their own orders advance in the queue.  Not that opentoe needs to worry - his friends are building their own ASICs. 

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/jalapeno-single-sc-support/1095-i-just-orderd-my-single-sc.html#post17440

[opentoe]

What an interesting way for the OP to boycott BFL.

If I get my very first tattoo of BFL/LOGO or something on my arm or wrist would BFL give me a free SC and put me in front of the line when they come out?

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1337-can-i-get-free-sc.html

 

Hey why not. I've already canceled my BFL orders so I have nothing to lose now. The only way I would want one now is if I would be first in line. Anything after that is just not worth it.

[opentoe]

What an interesting way for the OP to boycott BFL.

If I get my very first tattoo of BFL/LOGO or something on my arm or wrist would BFL give me a free SC and put me in front of the line when they come out?

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1337-can-i-get-free-sc.html

 

Classic. What an ass

Yeah, maybe Josh needs to start cancelling the orders of those who try to incite others to cancel so that their own orders advance in the queue.  Not that opentoe needs to worry - his friends are building their own ASICs. 

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/jalapeno-single-sc-support/1095-i-just-orderd-my-single-sc.html#post17440

Sorry bud, no ASIC here's I guess you forgot to mention it was an FPGA chip. That's right, only half truths here on the forums.

[jmoon]

Here is his facebook page: http://facebook.com/profile.php?=73322363

[veryveryinteresting]

What an interesting way for the OP to boycott BFL.

If I get my very first tattoo of BFL/LOGO or something on my arm or wrist would BFL give me a free SC and put me in front of the line when they come out?

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1337-can-i-get-free-sc.html

 

Classic. What an ass

Yeah, maybe Josh needs to start cancelling the orders of those who try to incite others to cancel so that their own orders advance in the queue.  Not that opentoe needs to worry - his friends are building their own ASICs. 

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/jalapeno-single-sc-support/1095-i-just-orderd-my-single-sc.html#post17440

Sorry bud, no ASIC here's I guess you forgot to mention it was an FPGA chip. That's right, only half truths here on the forums.

opentoe, you are an absolute moron. From the thread linked above:

My friend and his co-worker have been putting together their own ASIC miners.

And on here you say it's FPGA, and get onto people for quoting you correctly. What an asshat liar you are. Good day.

[opentoe]

What an interesting way for the OP to boycott BFL.

If I get my very first tattoo of BFL/LOGO or something on my arm or wrist would BFL give me a free SC and put me in front of the line when they come out?

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1337-can-i-get-free-sc.html

 

Classic. What an ass

Yeah, maybe Josh needs to start cancelling the orders of those who try to incite others to cancel so that their own orders advance in the queue.  Not that opentoe needs to worry - his friends are building their own ASICs. 

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/jalapeno-single-sc-support/1095-i-just-orderd-my-single-sc.html#post17440

Sorry bud, no ASIC here's I guess you forgot to mention it was an FPGA chip. That's right, only half truths here on the forums.

opentoe, you are an absolute moron. From the thread linked above:

My friend and his co-worker have been putting together their own ASIC miners.

And on here you say it's FPGA, and get onto people for quoting you correctly. What an asshat liar you are. Good day.

You are an idiot. You have no idea what you are talking about. Seriously, what are you even saying?

[opentoe]

Here is his facebook page: http://facebook.com/profile.php?=73322363

And someone's Facebook page? 3/4 of the worlds population has one. No one is going to listen to an account that was created two days ago throwing up links to Facebook accounts.

[jmoon]

If you should blame anyone, look here

Here is his facebook page: http://facebook.com/profile.php?=73322363

[Beepbop]

And someone's Facebook page? 3/4 of the worlds population has one. No one is going to listen to an account that was created two days ago throwing up links to Facebook accounts.

Now tell the truth: When you clicked that link, you saw your own Facebook page, right?

[opentoe]

If you should blame anyone, look here

Here is his facebook page: http://facebook.com/profile.php?=73322363

Blame anyone on what? You still haven't explained anything you are saying. I know, I'm a fool for even responding to this, it is hard to control.

This is a bitcoin forum and you are hiding being a newly created account because you are a coward to post under your real username. Then you post and talk about me. I didn't think I was that popular. If you want to promote me for free and waste your time and energy talking about personal people on a bitcoin forum then keep on going. I'll be happy to entertain and I'm %100 positive all people will become so bored they'll never read anything you ever post again. Trust me, my life is quite boring bro but if you want to me escalate me up on pedestal and popularize me I'm all for it! Trust me on this one, if I don't respond to your posts no one will except the young kids that thrive on social media drama on a bitcoin forum. If my life is interesting to you then dude you must really have a VERY boring life. Sorry about that.

[jmoon]

Blame anyone on what? You still haven't explained anything you are saying. I know, I'm a fool for even responding to this, it is hard to control.

This is a bitcoin forum and you are hiding being a newly created account because you are a coward to post under your real username. Then you post and talk about me. I didn't think I was that popular. If you want to promote me for free and waste your time and energy talking about personal people on a bitcoin forum then keep on going. I'll be happy to entertain and I'm %100 positive all people will become so bored they'll never read anything you ever post again. Trust me, my life is quite boring bro but if you want to me escalate me up on pedestal and popularize me I'm all for it! Trust me on this one, if I don't respond to your posts no one will except the young kids that thrive on social media drama on a bitcoin forum. If my life is interesting to you then dude you must really have a VERY boring life. Sorry about that.

Im sorry, i just could not resist the new prank I learned. Relax, no one knows about your facebook profile. That is just a link that opens facebook. Anyone that clicks on it will see his own facebook profile.

Best regards

[cancis]

If you should blame anyone, look here

Here is his facebook page: http://facebook.com/profile.php?=73322363

Blame anyone on what? You still haven't explained anything you are saying. I know, I'm a fool for even responding to this, it is hard to control.

This is a bitcoin forum and you are hiding being a newly created account because you are a coward to post under your real username. Then you post and talk about me. I didn't think I was that popular. If you want to promote me for free and waste your time and energy talking about personal people on a bitcoin forum then keep on going. I'll be happy to entertain and I'm %100 positive all people will become so bored they'll never read anything you ever post again. Trust me, my life is quite boring bro but if you want to me escalate me up on pedestal and popularize me I'm all for it! Trust me on this one, if I don't respond to your posts no one will except the young kids that thrive on social media drama on a bitcoin forum. If my life is interesting to you then dude you must really have a VERY boring life. Sorry about that.

Hahaha, this is classic. I didn't think anyone would actually fall for the old "73322363" trick.

Here: http://reface.me/status-updates/funny-facebook-status-update-profile-link/

[opentoe]

If you should blame anyone, look here

Here is his facebook page: http://facebook.com/profile.php?=73322363

Blame anyone on what? You still haven't explained anything you are saying. I know, I'm a fool for even responding to this, it is hard to control.

This is a bitcoin forum and you are hiding being a newly created account because you are a coward to post under your real username. Then you post and talk about me. I didn't think I was that popular. If you want to promote me for free and waste your time and energy talking about personal people on a bitcoin forum then keep on going. I'll be happy to entertain and I'm %100 positive all people will become so bored they'll never read anything you ever post again. Trust me, my life is quite boring bro but if you want to me escalate me up on pedestal and popularize me I'm all for it! Trust me on this one, if I don't respond to your posts no one will except the young kids that thrive on social media drama on a bitcoin forum. If my life is interesting to you then dude you must really have a VERY boring life. Sorry about that.

Hahaha, this is classic. I didn't think anyone would actually fall for the old "73322363" trick.

Here: http://reface.me/status-updates/funny-facebook-status-update-profile-link/

It is quite funny. I really did not know about that and wondered why my boring life is interesting to anyone.