Wallet Compile Service

[deisik]

Further, I don't quite like words such as "deterministic" and "reasonably sure" used in two adjacent sentences. It seems like someone is trying to make things look better than they really are...

Am I overly paranoid here?

[CHAOSiTEC]

Further, I don't quite like words like "deterministic" and "reasonably sure" used in two adjacent sentences. It seems like someone is trying to make things look better than they really are...

Am I overly paranoid here?

Yes you are.


On another note... if you look at the bitcoin/contrib/gitian-descriptiors/gitian-win.yml or Linux.yml or osx.yml then you will notice the build process is for bitcoins bitcoin-click bitcoin-tx and bitcoin-qt

This is the whole build process to build ALLE files including installer files for windows

Bitcoin core is all of it backend plus frontend reasoning for calling it core was to ensure that this is the benchmark other wallet makers would have to follow.

[deisik]

Further, I don't quite like words like "deterministic" and "reasonably sure" used in two adjacent sentences. It seems like someone is trying to make things look better than they really are...

Am I overly paranoid here?

Yes you are.


On another note... if you look at the bitcoin/contrib/gitian-descriptiors/gitian-win.yml or Linux.yml or osx.yml then you will notice the build process is for bitcoins bitcoin-click bitcoin-tx and bitcoin-qt

This is the whole build process to build ALLE files including installer files for windows

Then why do we need your service, I don't get it? If someone has already built everything in a "reasonably sure" way?

[CHAOSiTEC]

Further, I don't quite like words like "deterministic" and "reasonably sure" used in two adjacent sentences. It seems like someone is trying to make things look better than they really are...

Am I overly paranoid here?

Yes you are.


On another note... if you look at the bitcoin/contrib/gitian-descriptiors/gitian-win.yml or Linux.yml or osx.yml then you will notice the build process is for bitcoins bitcoin-click bitcoin-tx and bitcoin-qt

This is the whole build process to build ALLE files including installer files for windows

Then why do we need your service, I don't get it? If someone has already built everything in a "reasonably sure" way?

Altcoin need wallets too.. and it seems people have a hard time building a stable invironment to build their wallets so they seek outside help... often they want to pay in some coin... but I would rater be paid in btc.. quite simple

Edit: I hate my phones autocorrected just saw that it had changed bitcoind to bitcoins and bitcoin-cli to bitcoin-click

[deisik]

Altcoin need wallets too.. and it seems people have a hard time building a stable invironment to build their wallets so they seek outside help... often they want to pay in some coin... but I would rater be paid in btc.. quite simple

Is there an altcoin version of Gitian to "double check" your binary against? Do you actually build wallets in a controlled "deterministic" environment as the concept of Gitian requires (i.e. in a QEMU virtual machine with "faked times")?

[CHAOSiTEC]

Altcoin need wallets too.. and it seems people have a hard time building a stable invironment to build their wallets so they seek outside help... often they want to pay in some coin... but I would rater be paid in btc.. quite simple

Is there an altcoin version of Gitian to "double check" your binary against? Do you actually build wallets in a controlled "deterministic" environment as the concept of Gitian demands (i.e. in a QEMU virtual machine with "faked times")?

Yes to both.

It's the same environment since most are build on bitcoin the process and files are 99% identical

If a build process cannot be done with the supplied files I will tweak them and give the correct files back so it will be repeatable and the files can be easily read for verification on what has been done/changed

[deisik]

Altcoin need wallets too.. and it seems people have a hard time building a stable invironment to build their wallets so they seek outside help... often they want to pay in some coin... but I would rater be paid in btc.. quite simple

Is there an altcoin version of Gitian to "double check" your binary against? Do you actually build wallets in a controlled "deterministic" environment as the concept of Gitian demands (i.e. in a QEMU virtual machine with "faked times")?

Yes to both

Then I don't understand why bother to ask you if people can just download a precompiled binary given they are identical (which is what you basically claim)? On the other hand, you could just download that binary and sell it as your "version" (which should necessarily be the same as the "vanilla" one since it was built "deterministically")?

What's the catch?

[CHAOSiTEC]

Altcoin need wallets too.. and it seems people have a hard time building a stable invironment to build their wallets so they seek outside help... often they want to pay in some coin... but I would rater be paid in btc.. quite simple

Is there an altcoin version of Gitian to "double check" your binary against? Do you actually build wallets in a controlled "deterministic" environment as the concept of Gitian demands (i.e. in a QEMU virtual machine with "faked times")?

Yes to both

Then I don't understand why bother to ask you if people can just download a precompiled binary given they are identical (which is what you basically claim)?

What's the catch?

Let me repeat what I wrote be before but hopefully in a more understandable way...

Some altcoin developers struggle to with having a build process for windows and Mac I offer a service to compile it so they can focus on other things if they do not want to use the time to build said environment

[deisik]

Let me repeat what I wrote be before but hopefully in a more understandable way...

Some altcoin developers struggle to with having a build process for windows and Mac I offer a service to compile it so they can focus on other things if they do not want to use the time to build said environment

So there is no "vanilla" binary to check against, right?

[CHAOSiTEC]

Let me repeat what I wrote be before but hopefully in a more understandable way...

Some altcoin developers struggle to with having a build process for windows and Mac I offer a service to compile it so they can focus on other things if they do not want to use the time to build said environment

So there is no "vanilla" binary to check against, right?

No. But then again anybody is welcome to either compile and double check or hire someone else to compile so that they can double check.

Basically I offer a service.. they can decide to use it or not. I do not add anything to the source. And if it's uncompileable I will offer to fix the compile descriptors so they can build the files themselves.. or I can compile them. Either way they pay for my services. There is nothing suspect in what I do. Look around and you will find developers from one coin being hired by other coin either developers or bagholders to work on their coin.

This is just another service...

[deisik]

Let me repeat what I wrote be before but hopefully in a more understandable way...

Some altcoin developers struggle to with having a build process for windows and Mac I offer a service to compile it so they can focus on other things if they do not want to use the time to build said environment

So there is no "vanilla" binary to check against, right?

No. But then again anybody is welcome to either compile and double check or hire someone else to compile so that they can double check

So your whole argument about Gitian was fake and contrived given that even "altcoin developers struggle" to have a build process for Windows and Mac, right?

[CHAOSiTEC]

Let me repeat what I wrote be before but hopefully in a more understandable way...

Some altcoin developers struggle to with having a build process for windows and Mac I offer a service to compile it so they can focus on other things if they do not want to use the time to build said environment

So there is no "vanilla" binary to check against, right?

No. But then again anybody is welcome to either compile and double check or hire someone else to compile so that they can double check

So your whole argument about Gitian was fake and contrived given that even "altcoin developers struggle" to have a build process for Windows and Mac, right?

Nope not fake.. now your just jumping to conclusions..

But it's quite challenging to get a decent build environment up and running..

Anyone can given time and trial and error

But your whole thesis on this is still attacking me and I'm still not sure what you think you will accomplice.

I offer a service use it or not I don't care if you need my services then I have set the price it will cost. For usage of my time and computing power. But you cannot apparently comprehend that there is a need for people who knows how to set it up. Nor knows how to fix problems with cross compilation that might arrive.  I suggest you do not use any altcoin.  Since you might end up running a wallet I have compiled or code I have contributed.

[deisik]

Let me repeat what I wrote be before but hopefully in a more understandable way...

Some altcoin developers struggle to with having a build process for windows and Mac I offer a service to compile it so they can focus on other things if they do not want to use the time to build said environment

So there is no "vanilla" binary to check against, right?

No. But then again anybody is welcome to either compile and double check or hire someone else to compile so that they can double check

So your whole argument about Gitian was fake and contrived given that even "altcoin developers struggle" to have a build process for Windows and Mac, right?

Nope not fake.. now your just jumping to conclusions..

But it's quite challenging to get a decent build environment up and running..

Anyone can given time and trial and error

But your whole thesis on this is still attacking me and I'm still not sure what you think you will accomplice.

I offer a service use it or not I don't care if you need my services then I have set the price it will cost. For usage of my time and computing power. But you cannot apparently comprehend that there is a need for people who knows how to set it up. Nor knows how to fix problems with cross compilation that might arrive.  I suggest you do not use any altcoin.  Since you might end up running a wallet I have compiled or code I have contributed.

So you are offering a service which is mostly focused on setting up a build environment for a specific coin wallet on Windows and MacOS, not so much on wallet binary per se. Did I get you right?

This is surely not something that can be construed from the OP

[CHAOSiTEC]

Let me repeat what I wrote be before but hopefully in a more understandable way...

Some altcoin developers struggle to with having a build process for windows and Mac I offer a service to compile it so they can focus on other things if they do not want to use the time to build said environment

So there is no "vanilla" binary to check against, right?

No. But then again anybody is welcome to either compile and double check or hire someone else to compile so that they can double check

So your whole argument about Gitian was fake and contrived given that even "altcoin developers struggle" to have a build process for Windows and Mac, right?

Nope not fake.. now your just jumping to conclusions..

But it's quite challenging to get a decent build environment up and running..

Anyone can given time and trial and error

But your whole thesis on this is still attacking me and I'm still not sure what you think you will accomplice.

I offer a service use it or not I don't care if you need my services then I have set the price it will cost. For usage of my time and computing power. But you cannot apparently comprehend that there is a need for people who knows how to set it up. Nor knows how to fix problems with cross compilation that might arrive.  I suggest you do not use any altcoin.  Since you might end up running a wallet I have compiled or code I have contributed.

So you are offering a service which is mostly focused on setting up a build environment for a specific coin on Windows and MacOS, not so much on wallet compilation per se. Did I get you right?

This is surely not something that can be construed from the OP

I think your still not reading what I'm writing.

I can compile for windows and for Mac if people need it. I can also fix their gitian descriptors if they do not work.
It's a basic service. What is your problem with that?

[CHAOSiTEC]

I will compile your wallets for:

* Windows (BTC 0.05) - which gets you *coind, *coin-qt (dependant on what the coin is based on also *coin-cli *coin-tx) zipped in 32 and 64 bit packages, as well as 32 and 64 bit windows install files

* MacOSX (BTC 0.05) which gets you a DMG image with *coind *coin-qt (dependant on what the coin is based on also *coin-cli *coin-tx)

both for BTC 0.09

send me a PM include github link

Payment via OgNasty Escrow. And and prices are for fully compiled sources. no working executable means no payment.

This is surely not something that can be construed from the OP

I have added the OP to this post.. it says I can compile wallet


Notice the * in front of the coind coin-cli etc * equals anything
What part of that is it you do not understand?

[deisik]

I think your still not reading what I'm writing.

I can compile for windows and for Mac if people need it. I can also fix their gitian descriptors if they do not work.
It's a basic service. What is your problem with that?

No, I don't understand what you actually offer. At first you say that you just provide wallet binaries, then you bring about the Gitian argument, which consists in "deterministic build process" approach (i.e. which anyone can reproduce with the same result). If this argument is not contrived, it means that you offer as a service a step-by-step description of the wallet building process in a "reasonably sure" way...

Which by definition implies that the process could be repeated and result in the identical binary (to which you compile)

[CHAOSiTEC]

I think your still not reading what I'm writing.

I can compile for windows and for Mac if people need it. I can also fix their gitian descriptors if they do not work.
It's a basic service. What is your problem with that?

No, I don't understand what you actually offer. At first you say that you just provide wallet binaries, then you bring about the Gitian argument, which consists in "deterministic build process" approach. If this argument is not contrived, it means that you offer as a service a step-by-step description of the wallet building process in a "reasonably sure" way...

Which by definition implies that the process could be repeated and result in the identical binary

So your saying you do not know what "I will compile your wallets for" means then

It's says I need the github link to the source that needs compiling but alas you did not really read the text or you do not really know what your attacking

[deisik]

I think your still not reading what I'm writing.

I can compile for windows and for Mac if people need it. I can also fix their gitian descriptors if they do not work.
It's a basic service. What is your problem with that?

No, I don't understand what you actually offer. At first you say that you just provide wallet binaries, then you bring about the Gitian argument, which consists in "deterministic build process" approach. If this argument is not contrived, it means that you offer as a service a step-by-step description of the wallet building process in a "reasonably sure" way...

Which by definition implies that the process could be repeated and result in the identical binary

So your saying you do not know what "I will compile your wallets for" means then

Could you rephrase your question? I'm not sure I got what you meant to say. If you mean providing just binaries and getting done with that, it means that your Gitian argument was meant only to obfuscate the matters, since you do nothing in respect to making your compiled wallet Gitian-ready...

That is, ready to be compiled by anyone (for the purpose of double-checking, as you termed it)

[CHAOSiTEC]

I think your still not reading what I'm writing.

I can compile for windows and for Mac if people need it. I can also fix their gitian descriptors if they do not work.
It's a basic service. What is your problem with that?

No, I don't understand what you actually offer. At first you say that you just provide wallet binaries, then you bring about the Gitian argument, which consists in "deterministic build process" approach. If this argument is not contrived, it means that you offer as a service a step-by-step description of the wallet building process in a "reasonably sure" way...

Which by definition implies that the process could be repeated and result in the identical binary

So your saying you do not know what "I will compile your wallets for" means then

Could you rephrase your question? I'm not sure I got what you meant to say. If you mean providing just binaries and getting done with that, it means that your Gitian argument was meant only to obfuscate the matters, since you do nothing in respect to making your compiled wallet Gitian-ready...

That is, ready to be compiled by anyone (for the purpose of double-checking, as you termed it)

Read the OP carefully from a to zoom.  If you do not know what service I am providing then your not one that needs my services

[deisik]

It's says I need the github link to the source that needs compiling but alas you did not really read the text or you do not really know what your attacking

And so what? People ask you to compile a wallet source for them into an executable. The concept of Gitian (which you were so eager to copy-paste here) assumes that wallets are built in a controlled environment, i.e. in a "deterministic" manner (read fully repeatable with the identical outputs). If you don't do that, that is, make your wallet Gitian-ready which "allows multiple builders to create identical binaries", then your reference to Gitian was only meant to confuse. Really, how others can double-check your binary if they don't know how you actually built the wallet beside just knowing that you built it in a virtual machine?

That's the way I see it, whether you like it or not