Steem pyramid scheme revealed

[iamnotback]

Comic gold. One of the best blog posts I've seen:

Add to your list:

1. Flush all the toiletries, and (help your kids) shit on the floor of ALL the restrooms. This keeps the stewardesses preoccupied as well.
2.  Pretend to fall asleep with half your body leaning into the aisle so the stewardess have to rub their ass on your face as they pass by. Every time they wake you up, promptly fall asleep again in the same position.
3. Spill your peanuts all over the floor and make sure you distribute them under everyone's seats around you, then ask the stewardess for replacement. Repeat this at least once or as many times as you can sufficiently vary the routine to make it arguably believable such as spilling them on the way to the restroom and breaking the bag and handing it to your child to hold in the aisle as you fumble to open the restroom door. Make sure you stomp on them and mash them into the carpet.

[AlexGR]

Extra motivation to destroy the Steem(it) whale model asap:

@misgivings is promulgating social decadence. He advising men and women to destroy their productivity and spend all their time on unproductive animalism.

Whales upvoting this shit over and over again.

Steem is descending into a cesspool culture.

Someone could ask "and who are you? The content-nazi?"

Writing anything and getting upvotes or downvotes is a feature, not a problem. The moment rewards start being given according to what one person thinks is ok, that's where the problem starts.

[mtnsaa]

Steem is descending into a cesspool culture.

lol, that is my real curiousity about Steem.  

You keep preaching that it's going to die, but there's thousands of altcoins that are far worse than Steem that have not died.  So I'm curious as to what the content will be like if it just goes into a bear market for a long duration and people are only getting paid five cents to post.  Does it turn into 4chan or something then?  Does it turn into millions of posts where people spam ASCII penises non-stop?  Even if the price went to nothing, as long as it stays online, some obscure demographic from an alternate universe will use it for something.  

Sure but Steem price will be ridiculous low really, Bitshares low. No coin goes to absolute zero unless it's delisted from all exchanges.

[iamnotback]

Extra motivation to destroy the Steem(it) whale model asap:

@misgivings is promulgating social decadence. He advising men and women to destroy their productivity and spend all their time on unproductive animalism.

Whales upvoting this shit over and over again.

Steem is descending into a cesspool culture.

Someone could ask "and who are you? The content-nazi?"

Writing anything and getting upvotes or downvotes is a feature, not a problem. The moment rewards start being given according to what one person thinks is ok, that's where the problem starts.

Try again to read my statement and pay attention to the key word 'whale'.

Did I want to remove to content or did I want to remove whale's deciding what the culture of Steem should be.

Whale's promoting a culture which repulses the billions of masses, is probably not a good strategy for mass adoption.

There are many reasons users might abandon Steem (e.g. managing passwords is a pita, signup and choosing long password is a pita, UI is clunky, only a few earn anything, etc), and that can be another one.

I see no problem with @msgivings' controversial blogs and the discussion they generate, but I do see a problem with valuing (and ranking) them at $2000 per blog post, indicating to all prospective bloggers and readers that the economic priority is around here is polygamy and shaming women into not being wives. Even his posts might be worth $2000 in a large ecosystem, they still wouldn't be ranked very highly for the majority of readers in a system that was correctly prioritizing attention. I often agree with @complexring's taste in content, but there are cases such as this where I don't. This is why we can't base coteries solely on groups of users, because users who agree on some topics may disagree on others in terms of preferences of what they want to prioritize their attention on. Also disagreement is not the same as ignoring, so our algorithm has to take this into account as well.

In other words, in my design every blog author is responsible for their own market of readers. You won't have some powerful whale hand gifting you a status.

The more important point is that the content and activity has to be popular, engaging, and exclusive enough (w.r.t. to what is available on other establish social networks) to drive onboarding for the masses or at least a very significant niche of the population.

[r0ach]

Whale's promoting a culture which repulses the billions of masses, is probably not a good strategy for mass adoption.

Seems to work well for the Zio-media so far.  Without fail, every single time, you can look up the owner of websites who are pushing some type of Sodom and Gomorrah agenda and this is what you will get:

Ashley Madison website CEO:

"Born in 1971, Biderman is a Toronto native. The grandson of Holocaust survivors, he is Jewish — although unsurprisingly, he thinks the 10 Commandments are "outdated."

O vey goys, have an affair!  Destroy your family!  Weaken the building blocks of civilization to make it easier to divide and conquer!

The media, the rap industry, the porn industry, how to cheat on your marriage websites, it's all the same people.

[AlexGR]

Did I want to remove to content or did I want to remove whale's deciding what the culture of Steem should be.

Whale's promoting a culture which repulses the billions of masses, is probably not a good strategy for mass adoption.

Oooor, whales upvoting diverse material. Diversity maximizes "reach". It's like the monogamy/polygamy debate. Both get visibility and people who agree with X or Z.

[Zer0Sum]

Extra motivation to destroy the Steem(it) whale model asap:

@misgivings is promulgating social decadence. He advising men and women to destroy their productivity and spend all their time on unproductive animalism.

Whales upvoting this shit over and over again.

Steem is descending into a cesspool culture.

Someone could ask "and who are you? The content-nazi?"

Writing anything and getting upvotes or downvotes is a feature, not a problem. The moment rewards start being given according to what one person thinks is ok, that's where the problem starts.

The Larimer's are Evangelicals of some stripe (though Dan thinks he's smarter than God and at that jazz)...
So there is a reasonable amount of decent religious/philosophical content on Steemit, hardly a "cesspool"....
In sharp contrast to the atheist, wanton money grubbery on a bed juvenile conspiracy theories that passes for "culture" in thr Crypto Ghetto.

Bitcoin has not gone mainstream because ordinary people are creeped out by Crypto Culture...
(And the egomaniacal hyper-geeks that want to replace all things human with robots and code)...
So to point fingers at Steemit from Freaking BitcoinTalk, the single most degenerate site on the web, is laughable.  

[r0ach]

Bitcoin has not gone mainstream because ordinary people are creeped out by Crypto Culture...

Bitcoin hasn't gone mainstream because if I have to stay awake at night worrying about how the actions of Jihan Wu, or Gmaxwell reacting to his actions is going to do to the price, then we obviously have no Nash equilibrium.  Seems like the software was designed in a way assuming there would be so many individual miners that one person influencing all of them would not be possible, and the act of forking would involve just blind voting without collusion.  Bitcoin just has a lot of annoyances like this where you can't really justify it's market cap going equal or higher than metals.

[iamnotback]

Did I want to remove to content or did I want to remove whale's deciding what the culture of Steem should be.

Whale's promoting a culture which repulses the billions of masses, is probably not a good strategy for mass adoption.

Oooor, whales upvoting diverse material. Diversity maximizes "reach". It's like the monogamy/polygamy debate. Both get visibility and people who agree with X or Z.

I had already written that diversity was okay and that my issue was not with diversity.

I suppose my issue is with the default ranking putting that "diversity" in front everyone's face who would be repulsed by it:

Even his posts might be worth $2000 in a large ecosystem, they still wouldn't be ranked very highly for the majority of readers in a system that was correctly prioritizing attention.

Again I will try to get you to understand my point is not that diversity is undesirable, but that putting hate speech[1] in front of people's faces that repulses them, is another way to make them leave.

Again I will try to get you to understand that my point is we need a better way to determine relevance for individual preferences. People who want to see that content should see it and those that don't, shouldn't.

[1] Monogamists are losers who deserve to be cheated on! Wives are stupid to be faithful! Fornicate with everything that moves now, lest you are a worthless, pitiful piece-of-shit! Welcome to Steemit.

So there is a reasonable amount of decent religious/philosophical content on Steemit, hardly a "cesspool"....
In sharp contrast to the atheist, wanton money grubbery on a bed juvenile conspiracy theories that passes for "culture" in thr Crypto Ghetto.

I think people feel more likely to refer to a website with beloved pride, when they don't think they are referring to some site that promotes memes that repulse them. Everyone wants to think their social network has a place which represents their interests and politics. Also political content is divisive and unifying. Other types of content would be less contentious.

I think this is why it is very important that a system needs to match the ranking of content to difference preferences.

[r0ach]

Monogamists are losers

There is a lot of truth to that, seeing as how the male to female relationship is always completely asymmetrical in the woman's favor at the expense of the man:

http://www.theprimalmale.com/how-women-view-men/

Or to put it another way, just about everything women want is detrimental to the man's freedom or resources.  Putting women up on a pedestal just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.  It's kind of like humans who worship Satan even though Satan supposedly wants them to die.

[iamnotback]

Monogamists are losers

There is a lot of truth to that, seeing as how the male to female relationship is always completely asymmetrical in the woman's favor at the expense of the man:

Sorry that is not true for the majority of the world's population. You may happen to be stuck in a self-destructing Western country.

My point is that it makes Steemit look like a bizzarro Western fornication cesspoll to people who outside the West, who were raised in traditional family structure and appreciation for marriage.

I am very aware of this culture clash, because on the Philippine dating sites you have a predominance of Western men who want to masturbate in webcam in front of these ladies who are serious about marriage. You can go read the profiles of the ladies and see every other profile is pissed off about this. The men's profiles are predominantly atheist or agnostic, and the ladies nearly all Christian and religious.

[r0ach]

Sorry that is not true for the majority of the world's population. You may happen to be stuck in a self-destructing Western country.

The link I posted stated that in the east, money is even MORE important to women there, which is true.  It's just that they haven't given women, which are basically large, emotionally unstable and irrational children any real power, so they still have to go through the man to do things in society.

[AlexGR]

Did I want to remove to content or did I want to remove whale's deciding what the culture of Steem should be.

Whale's promoting a culture which repulses the billions of masses, is probably not a good strategy for mass adoption.

Oooor, whales upvoting diverse material. Diversity maximizes "reach". It's like the monogamy/polygamy debate. Both get visibility and people who agree with X or Z.

I suppose my issue is with the default ranking putting that "diversity" in front everyone's face who would be repulsed by it:

Even his posts might be worth $2000 in a large ecosystem, they still wouldn't be ranked very highly for the majority of readers in a system that was correctly prioritizing attention.

Again I will try to get you understand my point is not that diversity is undesirable, but that putting hate speech in front of people's faces that repulses them, is another way to make them leave.

Ok, understood. But I think if there is a large number of reasons one would leave, this probably ranks in the low-end. Usability, lack of network effect, difficulty in enduring the emotional roller-coaster of seeming "rejection", difficulty in making money, etc etc, would probably rank in the higher end.

Btw, I think readers could be readers even without signing up. The model of traffic that we currently have (most steem-ians / steem-ers are registered & logged in, consuming all kinds of content), will probably change significantly as the content grows. Eventually most of the readers will be people coming from google, people that saw a link on fb/twitter/forum, etc etc. These will be coming to read just 1 link/1 page and probably some of the top comments. It's exactly how I use reddit right now (I don't have a reddit account, but I do click on links to read some reddit content). So at that point the ratio of unregistered/non-logged in to registered/logged-in users will tend to heavily favor the first. By then, it won't matter what the front page has because most traffic will be from people entering to read specific articles. Like it doesn't matter to me what the reddit front page has because I don't ever go there. I only click reddit links with articles. Some times /bitcoin too for bitcoin-related news...

So, when we reach a similar level in steem, what will matter then is

-how to make money from these visitors (I think I've cracked this by proposing a different treatment: only serving ads to the non-logged users while registered/logged users have an ad-free experience)
-how to incentivize them to register / participate as registered users to drop a few comments, hang around, etc.

[generalizethis]

How do you recover your active key?

I have the master key and the post key, but can't find an option to recover the other keys.

[iamnotback]

Ok, understood. But I think if there is a large number of reasons one would leave, this probably ranks in the low-end.

You may not understand women very well.

Go insulting a woman's entire goal and philosophy of life and you think this will just bounce off their feelings and subconscious mind. Again I am not referring to women who have forsaken that K selection strategy (e.g. many Westerners).

And it's not just this content example. This point applies to content in general and how tuned in (engaged) do readers feel to what is being ranked highly for them.

[iamnotback]

Sorry that is not true for the majority of the world's population. You may happen to be stuck in a self-destructing Western country.

The link I posted stated that in the east, money is even MORE important to women there, which is true.  It's just that they haven't given women, which are basically large, emotionally unstable and irrational children any real power, so they still have to go through the man to do things in society.

You hate women. So that tells you right there that you are not in touch with any non-destructing form of civilization. So you would support bizzarro content that is hate speech against women (or specifically to those which participate in monogamy and/or marriage).

I want to build a system that supports your desire to do that, without impinging on those who don't want to be exposed to it.

I am not going to repeat everything I already wrote on Steemit about some hypothesis involving monogamy, R and K selection, etc..  Needless tangent. Indeed my point was that men don't have the problem with asymmetry in the developing countries. Men can walk away from the women after impregnating them and never pay a dime. There is a lot of deep analysis on how that changes everything.

[r0ach]

Sorry that is not true for the majority of the world's population. You may happen to be stuck in a self-destructing Western country.

The link I posted stated that in the east, money is even MORE important to women there, which is true.  It's just that they haven't given women, which are basically large, emotionally unstable and irrational children any real power, so they still have to go through the man to do things in society.

You hate women. So that tells you right there that you are not in touch with any non-destructing form of civilization. So you would support bizzarro content that is hate speech against women (or specifically to those which participate in monogamy and/or marriage).

I want to build a system that supports your desire to do that, without impinging on those who don't want to be exposed to it.

I am not going to repeat everything I already wrote on Steemit about some hypothesis involving monogamy, R and K selection, etc..  Needless tangent. Indeed my point was that men don't have the problem with asymmetry in the developing countries. Men can walk away from the women after impregnating them and never pay a dime. There is a lot of deep analysis on how that changes everything.

I don't "hate" women, I just recognize the fact that even though they've developed an evolutionary tactic to smile a lot, doesn't make them fundamentally good creatures, and that even though women love to claim men are out to try and "use" them, it's actually the woman who is 10x a bigger offender in that regard in trying to exploit men.  So yes, women are basically vampires.

[iamnotback]

-how to make money from these visitors (I think I've cracked this by proposing a different treatment: only serving ads to the non-logged users while registered/logged users have an ad-free experience)

You'll probably lack much of the data on the user's preferences and habits in order to make ads more relevant for significant revenue.

This is doing nothing to create an ecosystem for the token.

Rough guesstimate appears to me to be a waste. You also show new users that the site is another ad-fucked place.

-how to incentivize them to register / participate as registered users to drop a few comments, hang around, etc.

Exactly. Make sure you blast them with bizarre content that offends them.

[iamnotback]

I don't "hate" women, I just recognize the fact that even though they've developed an evolutionary tactic to smile a lot, doesn't make them fundamentally good creatures, and that even though women love to claim men are out to try and "use" them, it's actually the woman who is 10x a bigger offender in that regard in trying to exploit men.

It is a game of life, love, etc. You may or may not be very adept. You can get women to do things for you and to raise your offspring, if you are adroit. Or perhaps you may prefer to hire servants instead. To each his own. That could be a very long discussion that is needless for us in this thread. I would tend to agree that if your objective is maximize your wealth, then probably better to hire servants and stay out of the love aspect. Some men may not be able to afford servants, or they may find that mixing love with it makes the cost cheaper and benefits greater (at least for a while).

I completely agree it is generally insane for a man to marry in a Western country.

This is a tangent I wish we would not have wasted time on. My only relevant point to this thread is that not everyone has the same preferences for content and some content which may appear logical to you, may appear bizarre to others and possibly even offend them.

[AlexGR]

Ok, understood. But I think if there is a large number of reasons one would leave, this probably ranks in the low-end.

You may not understand women very well.

Go insulting a woman's entire goal and philosophy of life and you think this will just bounce off their feelings and subconscious mind. Again I am not referring to women who have forsaken that K selection strategy (e.g. many Westerners).

And it's not just this content example. This point applies to content in general and how tuned in (engaged) do readers feel to what is being ranked highly for them.

I think women can differentiate between the platform and the post. Otherwise they'd quit facebook the moment someone posted something they perceive as "hurtful" that took 500 likes.