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March 21, 2013, 07:56:30 AM
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PEOPLE in NSW will no longer have the "right to silence" when being questioned by police after the Shooters and Fishers Party voted with the government on its bid to combat gang violence.

Critics of the laws - which the government will now push through the lower house - say it's a fundamental attack on people's rights.

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/oppn-slammed-over-nsw-right-to-silence-law/story-e6frfku9-1226601328430
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March 21, 2013, 10:38:31 AM
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People are forgetting the Miranda doctrine? Anything you say, can and will be used against you. If you don't speak, then it's just contempt (but that's bad all by itself.)

First they take your guns, then your speech.

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March 21, 2013, 11:43:08 AM
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People are forgetting the Miranda doctrine?
Miranda doesn't apply in Australia. In fact, we haven't really had the right to silence since the Cybercrime Act 2001 (Schedule 2, Items 12 and 28) made it a crime to not reveal the password to encrypted files, punishable by 6 months imprisonment.

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March 21, 2013, 02:02:24 PM
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And if you forgot the password? Or if you don't know it? What if you used a deniable encryption system and gave them a password to the non-hidden partition? What if you used multi-factor or multi-signature authentication and you lost the other half that unlocks your files?

I mean, a Yubikey is small, and it can easily disappear or be destroyed. I only memorize half of my 64 character password and they Yubikey types the next 32 characters. There is no way I can remember that.

So, I'll reveal what I know but it won't open what you want. Or I'll reveal what you think I know, and it will show something else.

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March 21, 2013, 04:35:43 PM
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Slowly the times of government oppression return, this time in western world. Will be like soviet union under stalin, yezhov and beria. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ8u7cOLTl4
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March 21, 2013, 04:43:18 PM
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Slowly the times of government oppression return, this time in western world. Will be like soviet union under stalin, yezhov and beria.

Quite likely. Meanwhile, Russia is getting freer. I feel like I'm in an alternate universe.

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March 21, 2013, 05:14:27 PM
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Slowly the times of government oppression return, this time in western world. Will be like soviet union under stalin, yezhov and beria.

Quite likely. Meanwhile, Russia is getting freer. I feel like I'm in an alternate universe.
Not true. Russia always was oppressive and unjust under any rule (tzar, commies, yeltsin, putin). Russia is just lagging behind western nation in some aspects of totalitarianism. Like the password to encrypted files will be beaten out by phonebook instead asked by judge under threat of imprisonment.
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March 21, 2013, 10:29:24 PM
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If you don't really know the password (due to reasons stated above), what happens in:

1. Russia = they rubber hose you to death?
2. Australia = they imprison you for 6 months?

As in, you really can't tell them the password because half of it is destroyed. Or you tell them a password, but not the password. (Think TrueCrypt.)

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March 22, 2013, 09:07:43 AM
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Australia also can rubber dildo before imprisonment. Two factor authentication or hidden volumes can help in some cases, but not always. The real problem is that governments are willing to go to do such things to just take a look at your data.
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March 22, 2013, 02:47:27 PM
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I guess you'll just have to convince them that you are complying and cooperating. The problem is if they don't believe you, or they rubber hose you for nothing, because you really have nothing.

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March 22, 2013, 05:38:50 PM
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You will give us the password now, yes?

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March 22, 2013, 05:44:43 PM
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Rights cannot be rescinded otherwise they were never rights to begin with.
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March 22, 2013, 09:44:27 PM
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Australia is still a convict colony for all intents and purposes.

http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?company=commonwealth+of+australia&match=contains&action=getcompany It is also a corporation registered in the US.

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