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July 22, 2016, 08:30:46 AM
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yes bitcoin increasing its price very much faster than other currency and bitcoin getting too much stronger and i hope will be more strong and powerful in the future .
yes bitcoin increasing its price very much faster than other currency and bitcoin getting too much stronger and i hope will be more strong and powerful in the future .

I wouldnt say so, there are lots of other coins that have a rapid increase on volume but also on the price(exchange rate on bitcoin), bitcoin is strong but not stronger as it was before at $1k
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July 22, 2016, 09:42:25 AM
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I I still had some ETH, I'd be happy for the price rise, but as it stands now, I'm very glad that I don't.
Reversible transactions, give me a break, don't have any words for that...

I also think that Satoshi's views were right, by making transactions irreversible.

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July 22, 2016, 09:58:51 AM
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Relevant article on Forbes about Ethereum's bailout:

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A Painful Lesson For The Ethereum Community

After a torrid few weeks arguing about what to do, while the DAO became ever more corrupted due to repeated attempts to recover the money without fixing the code problem that made it impossible to prevent the money being stolen again, the Ethereum community has finally bowed to the inevitable. The DAO code has been rolled back to a point prior to the original attack – a “hard fork”. Ethereum has had its first bailout.
The majority of Ethereum miners have agreed to this. This is hardly surprising, since a lot of them had invested in the DAO and it meant they got their money back. The puritans who objected to the bailout on the grounds that it fatally compromised the “immutability” of blockchain were never going to win. Accepting large losses for the “greater good” is the province of saints, and there aren’t many of those around these days.
Equally unsurprisingly, the tech geeks at Slock.it are now patting themselves on the back for their genius in solving the problem that they caused in the first place by putting live a bad piece of code after inadequate review and testing. “What an accomplishment!” cries Christoph Jentzsch:

Separate from the discussion of whether a hard fork because of the DAO is a good or a bad idea, the very fact, that the Ethereum community (devs, miners, exchanges, researchers, …) has come together, often setting personal opinions aside, and successfully managed a hard fork in this situation is truly remarkable. Given the time constraint, the fact that we were able to come to consensus on this matter is an outstanding accomplishment.

We are able to hard fork!

Reaching consensus is an outstanding accomplishment, when the majority of people involved faced losing a lot of money if they didn’t reach consensus? Really?

It is frankly unbelievable that anyone seriously thought this was a prisoner’s dilemma. The community had nothing to lose by voting to fork, and everything to gain. The remarkable thing is that there do appear to be a number of holdouts: Ethereum guru Vitalik Buterin says that 85% of miners have voted for the fork. The remaining 15% are presumably either saints or had no money involved.

Christoph’s self-congratulation then heads for the bizarre:
Although some do question the analogy “code is law”. I do not. We just found out that we have a supreme court, the community!

Oh dear. Christoph seems unfamiliar with the concept of “tyranny of the majority”, and the reasons why legal systems in civilized countries generally do not allow a majority of self-interested people with their brains in their wallets to amend the constitution to suit themselves. This isn’t a “supreme court”, it’s a cabal.
The fact is that Ethereum has compromised its principles in order to rescue a client. Or, in the language of another world, the Ethereum central bank has directly recapitalized the DAO commercial bank by monetizing its debts. I could wax lyrical about the incestuous relationship of Ethereum and the DAO that made this decision inevitable: DAO investors and Ethereum miners are to a large extent the same people, and even some coders have money in the game. Moral hazard, much?

That said, there really wasn’t any other viable alternative. The DAO was fatally corrupt. There was no way of bringing the attacks and counter-attacks to an end without fixing the code, but a permanent fix meant a hard fork. I suppose the community could just have written off their investment, put it down to experience and moved on, but….come on, this is banking, really. If you know you might get bailed out if you lobby hard enough, what do you do?

So now the question is – how does Ethereum avoid more bailouts in the future? Well, writing good code and testing it properly would help, for starters. After reading a lot of stuff about how no-one could possibly have spotted the code problem, I had a look at the code myself. It’s not my language (I’m an RPG geek), but it’s comprehensible. That code would not have passed any code review I was doing: it did not maintain the integrity of the data it was manipulating. However, I was of course looking at it with the benefit of hindsight, and even the best code reviewers miss things. But Ethereum needs to be FAR more rigorous about coding standards, review and testing if it wants to be taken seriously.

But there is a wider issue here. Has this bailout set a precedent? In an interview with the Wall Street Journal’s Moneybeat, Vitalik Buterin said it hasn’t, because Ethereum is still being developed:
“I totally get both sides,” Vitalik Buterin, the creator of Ethereum, told MoneyBeat. He said the reason he supports the fork is that Ethereum is still in development stages, and isn’t fully formed. As it grows, forks like this will be harder to do. “I don’t think the way things are done right now are precedent setting.”

Buterin has just dug himself a very large hole. The unfinished state of Ethereum should have been made clear to its investors – and those who invested in the DAO – up front. No way is it ethical to persuade people to invest large amounts of money in a product whose key selling point is its immutability, then when it goes wrong claim that it wasn’t ready for release and needs to be changed. It’s perhaps going a bit far to call this a scam, but it is certainly weapons-grade naivety to imagine that code thrown together in a hurry without much in the way of testing should even be put live, let alone sold as “immutable”. Seventeen years of working in financial systems taught me that you just DON’T take such risks with people’s money.

The problem with deciding that Ethereum, and by extension the DAO, are still in development (rollbacks are part of life), is that they are in fact live as far as their users are concerned. Never mind the code, the problem is the data. Data in a live financial system should not be changed. That is true even in existing financial systems. The Ethereum community has agreed to a change that makes their system less trustworthy than a conventional financial system. For a technology that aims to disrupt conventional financial systems, that is not clever.

But even less clever was the decision of Buterin and his fellow geeks (well, if it even was a conscious decision) to test “in live”, taking risks with their user community’s money in order to prove their system. Admittedly it is funny money, but as the funny money is convertible to real money there was always a risk of tangible losses for investors. And as investors didn’t realize they were being used as guinea pigs, bailouts were – and probably still are – inevitable. Refusing to bail them out would be a major breach of faith.

Bailouts aren’t a community decision, whatever Christoph may think. It is the decision of the geeks that matters. This hard fork was only possible because the geeks decided to make it possible. Fundamentally, “to fork or not to fork” is a technical decision. So it is the geeks, not the investing community, that really run this show. But to preserve the illusion that the community is in charge, they have to do what the community wants. And the community wanted a bailout. So they had to provide one, or the game was up.

The “ Vitalik put”, as FT Alphaville’s Matt Klein dubbed it, saved the investors’ bacon this time. Whether or not they would be saved again depends entirely on whether Buterin thinks they should be. And he is hedging his bets. He hasn’t exactly said that this is a one-off, has he?
But people believe what they want to believe, as this comment sequence on the Ethereum Reddit stream shows:

Ethereum bailout
Translation: “Vitalik says there won’t be any more bailouts. And I believe him”. Such touching faith.
Ethereum is only immutable because Buterin says it is. Until he changes his mind. Which he inevitably will, next time there is a major loss. His investors will expect him to, since – y’know – the system is still “in development”. And he will agree, since – y’know – the community is in charge. It’s all smoke and mirrors, really. Now where have we seen this before?
The Ethereum community is painfully learning why, after thousands of years “in development”, banking works the way it does.

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July 22, 2016, 10:21:31 AM
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Bitcoin is always stronger than ever, because due it's price increases day by day, many and many people are keep supporting bitcoins, in coming days bitcoin will reach to 2000$ for sure.
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July 22, 2016, 10:32:50 AM
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This is the best time for bitcoin as good news are pouring from everywhere.I am sure now price will reach $1000 plus by the end of 2016.Time to invest and buy some coins before it is too late
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July 22, 2016, 10:48:27 AM
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Bitcoin is always stronger than ever, because due it's price increases day by day, many and many people are keep supporting bitcoins, in coming days bitcoin will reach to 2000$ for sure.

Yes, i am agree with you
Value of bitcoin is always rise so it will be always sronger than other as many user will use it
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July 22, 2016, 11:36:23 AM
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This is the best time for bitcoin as good news are pouring from everywhere.I am sure now price will reach $1000 plus by the end of 2016.Time to invest and buy some coins before it is too late

Yes this year is a great time to invest bitcoin but i am not sure bitcoin can reach 1000$ in the end of the year, but it is true that bitcoin getting stronger, there are so many proof around us, like store accepting bitcoin, more and more user from different country using bitcoin as transaction, this will lead bitcoin into a strong and independent digital currency


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July 22, 2016, 11:47:53 AM
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I agree that bitcoin is now stronger than ever.  Awareness about bitcoin is pretty much spread out around the world.  More and more people having faith in bitcoin and government are now looking at it seriously.  Price are getting stable this past week and  merchant are taking confidence in accepting it as secondary payment.

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July 22, 2016, 11:53:54 AM
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I think it is not too strong because there are not many people or stores who accept bitcoin as payment method. And bitcoin is still not too famous, my opinion bitcoin become real strong if there are many people who use it, for today it is not enough strong.
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July 22, 2016, 12:00:59 PM
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Agree OP bitcoin is stronger now since many of people around the web already using it and in due time we will see it to be also one
of the payment system, bitcoin is already popular we can deny that by fact, it can be not that much but much stronger than ever sir.
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July 22, 2016, 12:26:14 PM
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This is the best time for bitcoin as good news are pouring from everywhere.I am sure now price will reach $1000 plus by the end of 2016.Time to invest and buy some coins before it is too late

What kind of good news are you talking about? I am probably reading the wrong sources...

Since there is not much good or bad news, there is not much to be expected. The community is a little bit bigger then a few months back, but stronger then ever?
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July 22, 2016, 12:42:33 PM
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I can see the logic in this headline. Bitcoin is really strong, holding this price stable for some time is very good in my opinion. And if we take a look on bitcoin few years ago and now, I think more people use btc, more sites appeared that accept bitcoin as payment method. People who risked to buy coins last year made nice profit, and even now we can expect btc to rise more, but I don`t think it will be so fast rise. Now investment in btc need to be on long term to make good profit.

How the song say, stronger then yesterday, weaker then tomorrow. I believe that btc have potential for much more, we are still on beginning. Bitcoin can grow much higher. And probably there will be enough space for some other alt coins.

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July 25, 2016, 07:27:25 AM
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I do believe now that bitcoin is gaining more and more momentum and I hope that within the next five years we see a considerable increase in the amount of those using bitcoin and generating revenues or even a living from it. I want to see my step sn also using bitcoin so we will teach him soon.


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