Let`s file a lawsuit against Butterfly Labs

[Nolo]

You would receive a windfall profit otherwise, and the courts despise giving a plaintiff more than they lost. 

LOL... How would I receive a windfall profit by paying BTC100 to BFL and getting a refund for BTC100? You must be joking.

Not joking.  Simple math. 

[becoin]

You would receive a windfall profit otherwise, and the courts despise giving a plaintiff more than they lost. 

LOL... How would I receive a windfall profit by paying BTC100 to BFL and getting a refund for BTC100? You must be joking.

Not joking.  Simple math. 

Yeah, it's very simple indeed. Read about it:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137026.msg1460143#msg1460143

[Nolo]

You would receive a windfall profit otherwise, and the courts despise giving a plaintiff more than they lost. 

LOL... How would I receive a windfall profit by paying BTC100 to BFL and getting a refund for BTC100? You must be joking.

Not joking.  Simple math. 

Yeah, it's very simple indeed. Read about it:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137026.msg1460143#msg1460143

I'm not saying that you have to like it.  Tom @ bASIC still owes me money.  I don't like the fact that I'm going to get less in BTC than what I sent him.  I'm just saying that's what in my opinion the law is. 

[becoin]

I'm not saying that you have to like it. 

Yep, but what I'm saying it's a question of simple math, right? Every court will accept that 2+2=4.

[Nolo]

I'm not saying that you have to like it. 

Yep, but what I'm saying it's a question of simple math, right? Every court will accept that 2+2=4.

You're being intentionally dense.  And therefore, I'm done replying to you on this issue. 

[becoin]

I'm not saying that you have to like it. 

Yep, but what I'm saying it's a question of simple math, right? Every court will accept that 2+2=4.

You're being intentionally dense.  And therefore, I'm done replying to you on this issue. 

You've just said it's a question of simple math. Well, I have shown my calculations. What is your math?

[SgtSpike]

I'm not saying that you have to like it. 

Yep, but what I'm saying it's a question of simple math, right? Every court will accept that 2+2=4.

You're being intentionally dense.  And therefore, I'm done replying to you on this issue. 

You've just said it's a question of simple math. Well, I have shown my calculations. What is your math?

$1300 is $1300.  You ordered a unit for $1300, paying for it with Bitcoins.  You can receive a refund of $1300, either in USD or Bitcoins.  You did NOT buy a unit for X number of Bitcoins.  That was simply the method of payment.

[Puppet]

$1300 is $1300.  You ordered a unit for $1300, paying for it with Bitcoins.  You can receive a refund of $1300, either in USD or Bitcoins.  You did NOT buy a unit for X number of Bitcoins.  That was simply the method of payment.

This. Dollar is legal tender, bitcoin is not. All a court can do is assess your damage expressed in legal tender and force BFL to pay - in legal tender. Particularly when BFL priced the item in legal tender.
Good luck getting a court to refund your non legal tender, its just not going to work.

[13Charlie]

I normally hate it when I get wrapped up into reading an entire thread of uselessness. This one is quite entertaining though. I've been laughing at the OP and all of the reactions that this thread has caused since.

My 2 cents or rather 2 Satoshis,

$3600 = $3600
Don't be greedy.

[becoin]

I'm not saying that you have to like it. 

Yep, but what I'm saying it's a question of simple math, right? Every court will accept that 2+2=4.

You're being intentionally dense.  And therefore, I'm done replying to you on this issue. 

You've just said it's a question of simple math. Well, I have shown my calculations. What is your math?

$1300 is $1300.  You ordered a unit for $1300, paying for it with Bitcoins.  You can receive a refund of $1300, either in USD or Bitcoins.  You did NOT buy a unit for X number of Bitcoins.  That was simply the method of payment.

It simply is not true. I've already proved it to you.

It WAS and still IS priced in bitcoins as well. I don't give wishful examples. I give proof!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137026.msg1460393#msg1460393

[becoin]

I normally hate it when I get wrapped up into reading an entire thread of uselessness. This one is quite entertaining though. I've been laughing at the OP and all of the reactions that this thread has caused since.

My 2 cents or rather 2 Satoshis,

$3600 = $3600
Don't be greedy.

I'm not, BFL are. They are soooo greedy that they are desperately trying to convince me that BTC10=BTC60... Laughable.

[SgtSpike]

I'm not saying that you have to like it. 

Yep, but what I'm saying it's a question of simple math, right? Every court will accept that 2+2=4.

You're being intentionally dense.  And therefore, I'm done replying to you on this issue. 

You've just said it's a question of simple math. Well, I have shown my calculations. What is your math?

$1300 is $1300.  You ordered a unit for $1300, paying for it with Bitcoins.  You can receive a refund of $1300, either in USD or Bitcoins.  You did NOT buy a unit for X number of Bitcoins.  That was simply the method of payment.

It simply is not true. I've already proved it to you.

It WAS and still IS priced in bitcoins as well. I don't give wishful examples. I give proof!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137026.msg1460393#msg1460393

No, it's not priced in Bitcoins.  If it was priced in Bitcoins, you would see on the homepage:
"Now Available for Order: 60 GH/s Bitcoin Miner - 150 BTC"
NOT
"Now Available for Order: 60 GH/s Bitcoin Miner - $1,299"

If it was priced in Bitcoins, you would see on the product order page:
"60 GH/s Bitcoin Miner, BitForce Single SC, 150 BTC"
NOT
"60 GH/s Bitcoin Miner, BitForce Single SC, $1,299.00"

The number of BTC paid is only shown on the invoice because they HAVE to show it SOMEWHERE if that is your payment method.  It doesn't mean that the units are priced in BTC - only that BTC is a payment option for the units priced in USD.

You are seriously out of your mind.

[greyhawk]

Oh look, it's becoin.

Have you talked to your lawyer yet and made a video of that talk for us? It's been 2 months now.

[becoin]

No, it's not priced in Bitcoins.  If it was priced in Bitcoins, you would see on the homepage

It doesn't matter what is on the homepage. Only thing that matters is what's on the invoice. Invoice is the commercial document! Learn your lesson, buddy!

You did NOT buy a unit for X number of Bitcoins.  That was simply the method of payment.

Method of payment is paying by credit card, bank wire, paypal, check. You use a method of payment to transfer currency. Looking at bitcoin.org only definition I see is:

An open source P2P digital currency. Bitcoin is a currency, a protocol, and a software...

Where can I read that bitcoin is a method of paying $US?

[SgtSpike]

No, it's not priced in Bitcoins.  If it was priced in Bitcoins, you would see on the homepage

It doesn't matter what is on the homepage. Only thing that matters is what's on the invoice. Invoice is the commercial document! Learn your lesson, buddy!

You did NOT buy a unit for X number of Bitcoins.  That was simply the method of payment.

Method of payment is paying by credit card, bank wire, paypal, check. You use a method of payment to transfer currency. Looking at bitcoin.org only definition I see is:

An open source P2P digital currency. Bitcoin is a currency, a protocol, and a software...

Where can I read that bitcoin is a method of paying $US?

Guess what else is on the invoice?  The price they are selling the unit for.  In USD.

So tell me, why, exactly, the price in BTC that is ONLY shown on the invoice should somehow supercede the price that is shown EVERYWHERE, the invoice included?

[becoin]

So tell me, why, exactly, the price in BTC that is ONLY shown on the invoice should somehow supercede the price that is shown EVERYWHERE, the invoice included?

It doesn't supersede! Both are equally valid if there are 2 prices in 2 different currencies shown on the invoice!

[SgtSpike]

So tell me, why, exactly, the price in BTC that is ONLY shown on the invoice should somehow supercede the price that is shown EVERYWHERE, the invoice included?

It doesn't supersede! Both are equally valid if there are 2 prices in 2 different currencies shown on the invoice!

Alright buddy, you keep believing that.  Let us know when you get a court to agree with you.

[h4r13q1n]

OP, I think I saw your post on the BFL forums and your request was perfectly answered there. you just don't get it.

btc is not an authorized medium of circulation.  You cannot sue anyone. 

You paid for your hardware in dollars, even if you used btc. you got refunded the amount in $ that you payed.  its not hard to understand. Your kinda pathetic attempt of making some money on BFLs cost is pretty transparent and no, it won't work.

[chmod755]

but I only got 60 BTC and not 193 BTC

Do you think a company paying employees and taxes in government money could simply do that? You should be happy that they returned the funds - pre-ordering normally doesn't work like that.

I heard from other company owners that some people are wanting their money back in BTC after the value goes up. People like you are the reason why there are still not many places to spend Bitcoins: nobody wants a customer like you!

[13Charlie]

People like you are the reason why there are still not many places to spend Bitcoins: nobody wants a customer like you!

+1 LOL