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No.
1)It will not change the overall rate of production of bitcoins
2)The price of bitcoins is not directly related to mining in any case.
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March 21, 2013, 07:48:40 PM |
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maybe it will, but like the last two times, the rebound will be quick.
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(BFL)^2 < 0
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March 21, 2013, 07:52:57 PM |
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On the contrary, people buying batch #3 will have to buy btc first (if they don't have 100btc lying around and are willing to invest them) - thus I'd rather exptect a slight rise.
As Richy said - the number of btc mined will not change! It's important not to forget the way difficulty works.
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March 21, 2013, 07:57:56 PM |
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On the contrary, people buying batch #3 will have to buy btc first (if they don't have 100btc lying around and are willing to invest them) - thus I'd rather exptect a slight rise.
As Richy said - the number of btc mined will not change! It's important not to forget the way difficulty works.
This man speaks the truth, for his name is Seldon ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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(BFL)^2 < 0
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March 21, 2013, 08:00:50 PM |
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I have to say, the extremely high price for batch #3 is a bit sketchy. Maybe it's legit but I think mining is simply becoming a less attractive pursuit. I won't be buying one.
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March 21, 2013, 08:08:04 PM |
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They are asking 88 BTC for the ASIC.
This may be the first major product to peg the BTC price to. Usually prices are pegged in dollars and bitcoins go up and down based upon the exchange rate.
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First seastead company actually selling sea homes: Ocean Builders https://ocean.builders Of course we accept bitcoin.
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March 22, 2013, 03:53:59 AM |
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You obviously missed the memo: bitcoin only goes up.
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March 22, 2013, 04:04:54 AM |
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On the contrary, people buying batch #3 will have to buy btc first (if they don't have 100btc lying around and are willing to invest them) - thus I'd rather exptect a slight rise.
As Richy said - the number of btc mined will not change! It's important not to forget the way difficulty works.
This man speaks the truth, for his name is Seldon ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Arthur or Hari?
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Dankedan: price seems low, time to sell I think...
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March 22, 2013, 04:11:21 AM |
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You obviously missed the memo: bitcoin only goes up.
Yup... and more hash means more network stability.
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March 22, 2013, 05:04:11 AM |
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More ASIC means more hashing power which probably means more value to Bitcoins.
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March 22, 2013, 07:26:23 AM |
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I heard that the Avalon machines are full of bugs. You have to keep rebooting them once each hour or so...
The price rise is at least scandalous. And in any way, how many machines are we talking about?
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March 22, 2013, 11:32:24 AM |
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When ASICs start, remaining GPU miners will give up. Because of availability of GPUs and usefulness for other purposes, there are are a lot of them. Many 'casual' GPU miners, making use of their gaming equipment they already had, will pull out and not invest in an ASIC miner.
Therefore: will the difficulty really go up that much? Perhaps the change will, certainly initially, be only moderate untill enough ASICs circulate to contribute significantly.
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March 22, 2013, 12:43:10 PM |
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When ASICs start, remaining GPU miners will give up. Because of availability of GPUs and usefulness for other purposes, there are are a lot of them. Many 'casual' GPU miners, making use of their gaming equipment they already had, will pull out and not invest in an ASIC miner.
Therefore: will the difficulty really go up that much? Perhaps the change will, certainly initially, be only moderate untill enough ASICs circulate to contribute significantly.
Interesting point - suppose the Difficulty will continue to jump up until a new Equilibrium is found under which GPU-mining does not make any sense if you have to pay for power: Some/Many/most GPU miners will thus sell their cards/rigs (and get some ok-ish money for them). I for instance sold my mining rig a month ago for about 60% of the price I paid 2 Years ago. Now these ex-Miners do still have an interest in BTC and they have some fiat in hand. Do you think they will just buy in with this money? Do you think that the amount will be recognizable in the exchange rate?
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March 22, 2013, 02:02:41 PM |
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I heard that the Avalon machines are full of bugs. You have to keep rebooting them once each hour or so...
That is bullshit root@avalon02:~# uptime 14:56:54 up 3 days, 13:11, load average: 0.04, 0.06, 0.04 root@avalon02:~#
There are a few machines that needed an updated firmware because the software was never tested at the higher difficulties and caused disconnects from certain pools but any machine with a version 20130218-232ae13 or older is rock solid. Until a new bug is triggered of course ;-) The price rise is at least scandalous. And in any way, how many machines are we talking about?
The machine is capable of earning back it's investment in two to three weeks (depending on rising difficulty), where is the problem? I paid BTC 106 for each Avalon, that was back September 2012 when nobody was even sure the technology would be delivered. If I would have kept those BTC and sold them now for USD I would have made a much bigger and easier profit, with less risk. If in a year you look back at this period, you'll consider BTC 88 a good deal. But then again, only time can tell.
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March 22, 2013, 02:45:38 PM |
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The machine is capable of earning back it's investment in two to three weeks (depending on rising difficulty), where is the problem?
I paid BTC 106 for each Avalon, that was back September 2012 when nobody was even sure the technology would be delivered.
If I would have kept those BTC and sold them now for USD I would have made a much bigger and easier profit, with less risk.
If in a year you look back at this period, you'll consider BTC 88 a good deal.
But then again, only time can tell.
I don't disagree with their right to sell these at any price they want. I think it's fantastic that they've actually delivered and especially the ethos behind the whole venture. With that said, it's a bit of a gamble. The price is reasonable if no other ASICS come on line (though it's currently looking like that may be the case for the near to mid future) and presuming that BTC continues to keep a good price (again, looking like a reasonable assumption). So it's pick your own risk/reward scenario and I don't fault anyone for going either way on that. Only time will tell. Then again, the price rise does give me pause for thought. The guy waffles on about trust but something doesn't quite sit right with me about that. Then there's the whole vacation thing with batch #2 and could be a while before batch #3 is shipped. Maybe not red flags but certainly towards the lower-frequency end of the spectrum. In the end though, they have actually shipped product which puts them ahead of all the competition so far. I think probably it's a solid deal. Good luck to everyone whichever way they choose.
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March 22, 2013, 02:52:02 PM |
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I feel like pricing the batch 3 Avalon in BTC is a nice bet that the value will stay high.
If bitcoins crashed down to $10 or less (as unlikely as it is), first thing I would do is buy 264 of them and order 3 avalons.
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