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March 23, 2013, 03:50:06 AM
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We'd love feedback and recommendations on improving play for a new game we just launched tonight. We'd also appreciate tips on the best place to market the game. Here's the live radio spot we did tonight on Free Talk Live, a nationally syndicated radio show on 100 stations in the U.S....they love talking Bitcoin.

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SatoshiCircle.com

SatoshiCircle ups the ante in the Bitcoin gaming world,

Offering a beautiful interface, better payback odds, loads of action....
penguins, balloons and more....All in a simple, yet addictive Bitcoin casino style wheel game. Satoshi Circle plays right through your computer browser, smartphone or device.... It couldn't be easier.

There's nothing to download and no app required
Play Satoshi Circle at home or on the road and win BIG!.

Collect cool Awards and Reward points as you progress through the game. You can even compete against others on the global leader board and chat with players from around the world.

Check it out... SatoshiCircle.com...... that's Satoshi with an A circle.com.

The next big thing in Bitcoin gaming.

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March 23, 2013, 03:59:00 AM
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I love the sexy voice.. "Satoshi Circle"  Grin

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March 23, 2013, 04:05:00 AM
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I love the sexy voice.. "Satoshi Circle"  Grin

Thanks! That's the very talented Stephanie Murphy. She also does the voice for our "How to Play" Video  ......sexy indeed!
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March 23, 2013, 05:59:55 AM
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Looks very nice!
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March 23, 2013, 06:24:36 AM
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Is it provably fair? Show us, not just claim.
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March 23, 2013, 07:22:23 AM
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Thanks for the feedback.  Later today We'll post a video showing how to prove fairness.
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March 23, 2013, 09:41:52 AM
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Is it provably fair? Show us, not just claim.

Would like to know about that, also. Is it?

Would be great there was a torrent file of all referenced materials of the paper: "How to Build Time-Lock Encryption" by Tibor Jager. And having its magnet link published on bitcoin blockchain!
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March 23, 2013, 10:33:59 AM
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Nice game im playing for 20 minutes XD

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March 23, 2013, 11:15:50 AM
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Is it provably fair? Show us, not just claim.

Would like to know about that, also. Is it?
It is. Cool site.
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March 23, 2013, 01:17:21 PM
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Thanks for the positive feedback. It is most definitely provably fair. We'll find a way today to explain it in the most layman of terms possible. I think a video showing the system is warranted.
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March 24, 2013, 12:46:59 AM
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Very nice site! Congratulations!

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March 24, 2013, 04:51:00 AM
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Thanks! Over 15000 spins in just over a day!
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March 24, 2013, 06:12:36 AM
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Glad to have some more visually-appealing games out there, thanks for this one.

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March 24, 2013, 07:35:50 AM
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Does satoshicircle bloat the block chain in the same way satoshidice does?  If not I would use that in your marketing. Are the transactions off-chain until you withdraw?

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March 24, 2013, 12:58:05 PM
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We'd love feedback and recommendations on improving play for a new game we just launched tonight. We'd also appreciate tips on the best place to market the game. Here's the live radio spot we did tonight on Free Talk Live, a nationally syndicated radio show on 100 stations in the U.S....they love talking Bitcoin.

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SatoshiCircle.com

SatoshiCircle ups the ante in the Bitcoin gaming world,

Offering a beautiful interface, better payback odds, loads of action....
penguins, balloons and more....All in a simple, yet addictive Bitcoin casino style wheel game. Satoshi Circle plays right through your computer browser, smartphone or device.... It couldn't be easier.

There's nothing to download and no app required
Play Satoshi Circle at home or on the road and win BIG!.

Collect cool Awards and Reward points as you progress through the game. You can even compete against others on the global leader board and chat with players from around the world.

Check it out... SatoshiCircle.com...... that's Satoshi with an A circle.com.

The next big thing in Bitcoin gaming.

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How do I know you're not scamming me?

Any Bitcoin gambling that's not independently verifiable is broken. This is exactly the opposite of what this nitwit says:

Does satoshicircle bloat the block chain in the same way satoshidice does?  If not I would use that in your marketing. Are the transactions off-chain until you withdraw?

Unless you're "spamming the blockchain" it's not gambling, it's a scam.

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March 25, 2013, 04:15:04 AM
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Guaranteed not to spam the blockchain. Only deposits and withdrawals go through the chain.
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March 25, 2013, 09:06:50 AM
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Server not found. Hopefully not when someone deposited 50 btc or something and the site owner ran.
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March 25, 2013, 10:57:01 AM
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Server not found. Hopefully not when someone deposited 50 btc or something and the site owner ran.
working for me

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March 25, 2013, 06:35:14 PM
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Check out our Daily Special #2 http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1azjqt/daily_special_2_satoshicirclecom_well_fund_gaming/
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July 07, 2013, 04:26:46 PM
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Satoshi Circle game is NOT provably fair.

They use the following model:
1. The outcome of the game is fully determined by initial data in a way, known to the player.
2. Part of the initial data is provided by the player ("Client Seed").
3. For every possible variant of server's data, there exists a variant of player's data that makes player win.
4. The server proves that it didn't change its data after the player revealed his part of the initial data.
5. After the game, the player can compute the outcome himself and verify that it matches the actual outcome of the game.

I will show that the outcome is determined in an unknown way, which invalidates the provision (1).

Here is an excerpt from the algorithm published by Satoshi Circle:
Code:
function seedShuffle( $items, $seed ) {
  
    if (is_numeric($seed)) {
        $seedval = $seed;
    } else {
      $seedval = crc32($seed);
    }

   srand($seedval);

   for ($i = count($items) - 1; $i > 0; $i--) {
      $j = @rand(0, $i);
      $tmp = $items[$i];
      $items[$i] = $items[$j];
      $items[$j] = $tmp;
   }

   return $items;
}
This function is central in determining the outcome. It uses PHP functions rand and srand. The underlying PRNG algorithm has roughly as much influence on the outcome as the initial data.

This is the implementation of rand in PHP 5.5.0 (ext/standard/rand.c):
Code:
PHP_FUNCTION(rand)
{
        long min;
        long max;
        long number;
        int  argc = ZEND_NUM_ARGS();
        
        if (argc != 0 && zend_parse_parameters(argc TSRMLS_CC, "ll", &min, &max) == FAILURE)
                return;
        
        number = php_rand(TSRMLS_C);
        if (argc == 2) {
                RAND_RANGE(number, min, max, PHP_RAND_MAX);
        }

        RETURN_LONG(number);
}
Code:
PHPAPI long php_rand(TSRMLS_D)
{
        long ret;

        if (!BG(rand_is_seeded)) {
                php_srand(GENERATE_SEED() TSRMLS_CC);
        }

#ifdef ZTS
        ret = php_rand_r(&BG(rand_seed));
#else
# if defined(HAVE_RANDOM)
        ret = random();
# elif defined(HAVE_LRAND48)
        ret = lrand48();
# else
        ret = rand();
# endif
#endif

        return ret;
}
As you can see, it uses one of 4 possible PRNG functions. Which one is actually used, depends on the PHP build. One of the back-end functions, rand (as defined by C standard), has implementation-dependent algorithm.

So, we have many possible PRNGs, and in fact, many different algorithms for computing the outcome.

How it theoretically can be used by Satoshi Circle to cheat. Suppose, a player makes one large bet, and it is his first bet. After the player discloses his "client seed", the server tries several PRNGs and uses one that gives the worst outcome for the player. Then Satoshi Circle claims that it is "the" PRNG they use.

Also, even if PRNG algorithm was known to the player, it is still difficult to verify the outcome.

1. When I try to select the hash of the server data to copy-paste it, the "client seed" entry form pops up and the text that I try to select goes to background.
2. The scheme used to compute the outcome is excessively complex. There exists a scheme that would provide at least the same level of security for the Satoshi Circle and the player, do better randomization of the outcome, and is easy to compute by an average player.
3. To verify the outcome using the current scheme, the player needs exactly the same PRNG. It may be a considerable hassle to get one for some OSes.

That all discourages players from verifying the fairness themselves. Most will hope that someone else will find it out if Satoshi Circle is cheating.
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