Help with unconfirmed transaction - can i sweep or resend with higher fee?

[johnny508]

hi,

I'm hoping somebody can help me here.  I've seen a few articles/threads about some ideas to resolve but i can't seem to get any to work.

I sent a few transactions and used a fee of approximately .0001 btc on each.

But i seem to be stuck with a bunch of unconfirmed transactions after 36 hours.

I think its a "chain" of payments where one of the earlier one has unconfirmed outputs so the subsequent payments that use those same btc are also stuck in this chain.

Anybody know of any ways to correct this?

I've seen ideas such as:
- sweeping the private keys or restoring the wallet (but i can't get this to work)
- resending with higher fee (but i can't get this to work either)

any ideas?

thanks!!

[InvoKing]

people could help you if you give more informations
what is your wallet?
can you put the transactions addresses?
and try to move your thread here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=4.0

at the end unconfirmed tx will be dropped from the chain in 2-4 days tho

EDIT : didn't mean exactly dropping from the blockchain but euh...thx Danny anyway

[~Bitcoin~]

Can you post the TXID of those transactions you have sended? If its been 36 hour than i think in few days it will be back to your bitcoin address. Search about double spend i think you can double spend with higher fee so that second transaction get through before this old one. I also don't know actual steps to double spend so google it.

[helloeverybody]

Unless your in a rush to get that sent i wouldjust wait until it returns to you after a few days then send it next time with a higher fee. If you sent some fee it will confirm eventually so probably wont even end up getting returned to you. I think if you imported your backup wallet again you should have your money back seeing as youve got no confirmations but its a lot easier just to leave it.

[johnny508]

i think I'm going to wait it out.. do u think a week or so it'll come back?

the problem is that i sent it internally around my electrum wallets and with the change addresses its pretty confusing to even find the transaction ids for everything.

i tried to sweep ALL the privkeys from my electrum wallets into a fresh new electrum wallet but i get this error when i broadcast:
error: The transaction was rejected by network rules.(258: txn-mempool-conflict)

is there an easy way to find the tx ids?  would i simply grab the tx ids from the electrum history tab for the ones that show the unconfirmed tx #s?

if so, i think these are the tx ids (the tiny btc acts are the electrum tx fees i believe since i didn't intentionally try to send .000113 btc etc):

353f0885706f8f6276130d0975bbe70fadaa0a5438d0b0057bd803cb4915a866
4a014d860ae4b6baf6374e8d77a5e5408792d85593981189b515c0e9f1a82984
07e8c4c4996cde9be5f4c4a3268141fc46aeb3824a8472a3dc83d5c07efaa6c0
d19bd1e3a61ed270653f4b88491d0ed25dc4c414ba671f0adf67e64da204a1fe

thanks for the quick attempts to help!!

[steven0021]

Unconfirmed input usually means that there are at least 2 parties involved so letting the inputs get dropped from the network is not a good idea as some might lose money because of it. Any parties that stand to lose will make sure that doesn't happen by continually rebroadcasting the txes anyway.

So what's left for OP is to wait for confirmation or try sending a transaction using the unconfirmed input using higher fee (Child Pays for Parent).

Not sure where that came from but sweeping the private keys won't work.

[johnny508]

Can you post the TXID of those transactions you have sended? If its been 36 hour than i think in few days it will be back to your bitcoin address. Search about double spend i think you can double spend with higher fee so that second transaction get through before this old one. I also don't know actual steps to double spend so google it.

im also pretty unclear about double spending and i think i got the same error when i tried it.

basically i did this:

i went to a blockchain.info tx page and added the following to the end of the link:
?format=hex

that showed me the hex value of the tx.

i then used a github utility called feeboost which is supposed to allow u to construct a higher fee transaction.

then i took the transaction feeboost showed me and used coin bin to verify it and then tried to sign + broadcast it via coin bin.  but i got the same mempool error as i noted in my above message.

that seemed to be something like a double-spend but I'm not positive since it didn't work..

[johnny508]

Unconfirmed input usually means that there are at least 2 parties involved so letting the inputs get dropped from the network is not a good idea as some might lose money because of it. Any parties that stand to lose will make sure that doesn't happen by continually rebroadcasting the txes anyway.

So what's left for OP is to wait for confirmation or try sending a transaction using the unconfirmed input using higher fee (Child Pays for Parent).

Not sure where that came from but sweeping the private keys won't work.

can u clarify what u mean by "child pays for parent"?

also, lets say my transaction consisted of multiple input addresses.  when i go to sign and broadcast a tx, coin bin for example asks for one private key.  this is where i get confused.  which private key would one use to sign a tx consisting of multiple tx?  or do i have to do it from within electrum which is my wallet.

and to clarify, the transaction that is stuck is actually all from and to my personal addresses so theres really no 2nd party per se.  does that make my loss risk less of a factor + i should just wait?

[jukka]

hi,

I'm hoping somebody can help me here.  I've seen a few articles/threads about some ideas to resolve but i can't seem to get any to work.

I sent a few transactions and used a fee of approximately .0001 btc on each.

But i seem to be stuck with a bunch of unconfirmed transactions after 36 hours.

I think its a "chain" of payments where one of the earlier one has unconfirmed outputs so the subsequent payments that use those same btc are also stuck in this chain.

Anybody know of any ways to correct this?

I've seen ideas such as:
- sweeping the private keys or restoring the wallet (but i can't get this to work)
- resending with higher fee (but i can't get this to work either)

any ideas?

thanks!!

this has happened to me once. in my case the transaction was finally confirmed but it took quite long time. it is very annoying that you cannot do anything else than wait.

[thejaytiesto]

If it's stuck for 10+ hours as unconfirmed then you didn't send the recommended fee. Remember that multiple outputs require higher fee... Bitcoin Core recommended fee is always the correct and safer one.

If you used Bitcoin Core , try with -zapwallettex option like this:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Running_Bitcoin#Command-line_arguments

This fixed my stuck transaction once (you have to wait for re scanning of the blockchain so it will take some time)

Unfortunately if you didn't use Core then i have no idea what i would do.

[steven0021]

can u clarify what u mean by "child pays for parent"?

also, lets say my transaction consisted of multiple input addresses.  when i go to sign and broadcast a tx, coin bin for example asks for one private key.  this is where i get confused.  which private key would one use to sign a tx consisting of multiple tx?  or do i have to do it from within electrum which is my wallet.

and to clarify, the transaction that is stuck is actually all from and to my personal addresses so theres really no 2nd party per se.  does that make my loss risk less of a factor + i should just wait?

CPFP transaction is basically a transaction that pays of its input. So if the input got stuck because of zero fee the child can pay make up for it by paying higher fee. But note that only few miners have implemented CPFP so it might not work at all.

For the coinb.in, I have no answer for that. Hopefully someone can explain because I'm curious too.

Even if you're the sender and receiver of all 4 transactions you'll still have to wait for the transactions to be dropped.

[johnny508]

If it's stuck for 10+ hours as unconfirmed then you didn't send the recommended fee. Remember that multiple outputs require higher fee... Bitcoin Core recommended fee is always the correct and safer one.

If you used Bitcoin Core , try with -zapwallettex option like this:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Running_Bitcoin#Command-line_arguments

This fixed my stuck transaction once (you have to wait for re scanning of the blockchain so it will take some time)

Unfortunately if you didn't use Core then i have no idea what i would do.

whats weird is that i used electrum recommended fee and never had an issue like this before.  the lowest fee used was .0001 btc.

anyways, thanks for all the help guys - I'm gonna wait it out as I'm scared ill mess something up further if i keep trying to rebroadcast without truly knowing what I'm doing.

[rizzlarolla]

If it's stuck for 10+ hours as unconfirmed then you didn't send the recommended fee. Remember that multiple outputs require higher fee... Bitcoin Core recommended fee is always the correct and safer one.

If you used Bitcoin Core , try with -zapwallettex option like this:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Running_Bitcoin#Command-line_arguments

This fixed my stuck transaction once (you have to wait for re scanning of the blockchain so it will take some time)

Unfortunately if you didn't use Core then i have no idea what i would do.

whats weird is that i used electrum recommended fee and never had an issue like this before.  the lowest fee used was .0001 btc.

anyways, thanks for all the help guys - I'm gonna wait it out as I'm scared ill mess something up further if i keep trying to rebroadcast without truly knowing what I'm doing.

The Core Bitcoin network has been busy today. Only 1mb of transaction in 10 minute average.
If people transact their Bitcoin too often, Core 1mb Bitcoin cannot cope.
(1.1mb blocks, for example, are too big for Core)

Your first transaction(?) https://blockchain.info/tx/d19bd1e3a61ed270653f4b88491d0ed25dc4c414ba671f0adf67e64da204a1fe
has a too low fee in todays user unfriendly Core dynamic fee market Bitcoin. 
Your tx is 1849 bytes. Fee 0.00010087? Needs 5 - 6 - 7 times the fee, certainly in busy times.
It may get confirmed by the morning. It isn't yet.

No wallet understand's fees in busy periods. Not even Core.
The Core fee market caught you.
Good luck.

[shinratensei_]

If it's stuck for 10+ hours as unconfirmed then you didn't send the recommended fee. Remember that multiple outputs require higher fee... Bitcoin Core recommended fee is always the correct and safer one.

If you used Bitcoin Core , try with -zapwallettex option like this:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Running_Bitcoin#Command-line_arguments

This fixed my stuck transaction once (you have to wait for re scanning of the blockchain so it will take some time)

Unfortunately if you didn't use Core then i have no idea what i would do.

whats weird is that i used electrum recommended fee and never had an issue like this before.  the lowest fee used was .0001 btc.

anyways, thanks for all the help guys - I'm gonna wait it out as I'm scared ill mess something up further if i keep trying to rebroadcast without truly knowing what I'm doing.

Just waiting maybe all of your rejected transaction will comeback into the previous place , but until now i never getting a problem with electrum to safe my balance and always giving a fee they're want.

[wintermeasures]

I think You Can't Resend A Unconfirmed transaction. Now you have only One Option Just Wait For the Coins to be confirmed Otherwise I Don't Know What to Would You Do in This Situation....

[DannyHamilton]

at the end unconfirmed tx will be dropped from the chain in 2-4 days tho

That is a lie.

Unconfirmed transactions are transactions that were NEVER IN THE BLOCKCHAIN yet.  Therefore, it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to "be dropped from the chain".

If its been 36 hour than i think in few days it will be back to your bitcoin address.

That depends on the wallet you are using.  Some wallets will make assumptions about unconfirmed transactions and allow you to try to re-spend the outputs.  Other wallets will continue to re-broadcast the unconfirmed transaction FOREVER unless it gets confirmed or you take action to stop it from broadcasting the transaction.

Search about double spend i think you can double spend with higher fee so that second transaction get through before this old one. I also don't know actual steps to double spend so google it.

So, your advice is:  "I don't know.  Use Google"?

Thanks for the amazing help you've provided.

Unless your in a rush to get that sent i wouldjust wait until it returns to you after a few days

I don't think you understand how bitcoin works.  You could AT LEAST have asked what wallet he was using before giving advice that might waste his time and accomplish nothing.

I think if you imported your backup wallet again you should have your money back seeing as youve got no confirmations but its a lot easier just to leave it.

• No advice about how to "import your backup wallet"?
• Did you even ask if he has a backup?
• Are you sure he'll have his money back (since you don't even know what wallet he is using?

Unconfirmed input usually means that there are at least 2 parties involved

Nope.

Unconfirmed input just means that bitcoins received as an output from a transaction were then later spent before that previous transaction had confirmed.  It has nothing to do with the number of parties.

so letting the inputs get dropped from the network is not a good idea as some might lose money because of it. Any parties that stand to lose will make sure that doesn't happen by continually rebroadcasting the txes anyway.

While the recipient can try to rebroadcast a transaction, most don't (and don't even know how).  Even if they do, the transaction would become invalid if a different transaction spending those same inputs were to become confirmed.

this has happened to me once. in my case the transaction was finally confirmed but it took quite long time.

Thanks for the useless information.

it is very annoying that you cannot do anything else than wait.

Of course you can.  As long as you know what to do.  That's like getting lost while driving a car and then just stopping the car and saying: "It's annoying that the only way I can get to my destination is to just wait here for someone to take me there".  That might be true if you didn't know about maps, or GPS, or telephones, but it isn't a true statement if you know what your options are.

If it's stuck for 10+ hours as unconfirmed then you didn't send the recommended fee.

<SARCASM>
Riiiight.  There's no other possible reason why a transaction would be stuck unconfirmed.
</END SARCASM>

While it is often true that transactions don't confirm due to insufficient fee (and that's probably the most common reason), it certainly isn't the ONLY reason.

Bitcoin Core recommended fee is always the correct and safer one.

Except when Bitcoin Core doesn't have enough information yet to make a good calculation or you have your Bitcoin Core settings modified to give you insufficient fees. (or any of the other reasons why a different fee might be the "correct and safer one".

If you used Bitcoin Core

Did you even read the thread?

I say just wait and remain calm, your coins are going to either broadcast and make it to the Blockchain or be in your possession.

Clearly some great advice with a good understanding of what's happening:  "Just wait.  The problem might go away all by itself, and if it doesn't, you can come back here and ask again so someone else can tell you to just wait some more".

The Core Bitcoin network has been busy today. Only 1mb of transaction in 10 minute average.
If people transact their Bitcoin too often, Core 1mb Bitcoin cannot cope.
(1.1mb blocks, for example, are too big for Core)

The OP came here for help on how to fix his problem, not for a political lecture on blocksize.  Lets try to keep the unnecessary politics out of this thread, ok?

Just waiting maybe all of your rejected transaction will comeback into the previous place , but until now i never getting a problem with electrum to safe my balance and always giving a fee they're want.

So, if I understand, your attempt to help the OP is:  "I never had a problem, so you shouldn't.  And if you do, then just wait.  And if waiting doesn't fix it, then come here and ask for help so someone else can tell you to wait some more."

Is that really your idea of helping?

I think You Can't Resend A Unconfirmed transaction. Now you have only One Option Just Wait For the Coins to be confirmed Otherwise I Don't Know What to Would You Do in This Situation....

Again with the extremely helpful: "I don't know.  Just wait?"


At this point, this thread is so full of misinformation, bad advice, and nonsense that anything useful will just get lost in the noise.

OP, if you want help I suggest you lock this thread.  Then start a new thread and mark the "self moderated" checkbox in the "Additional Options" when you start the thread.  That way you can delete the amazing quantity of nonsense, drivel, and misinformation as you identify it and keep the conversation limited to those that are actually capable of helping you.

If you choose to do so, send me a PM. I'll join the new thread, help you analyze exactly what happened, and talk you through some of your options.

[DannyHamilton]

Go ahead and not reply an answer and just mock everyone in the thread, good advice, another great post from danny.

To OP, if you have decided you have waited long enough you can always use a different wallet and re import your keys, and respend with a higher fee. The new wallet won't see the transaction since it is not on the blockchain.

Perhaps you misunderstood.

This wasn't "mock everyone in the thread".  This was:

Make sure the OP understands that he's been given a lot of very bad advice and is careful about what advice he follows, since clearly there are a lot of people active in this forum that care more about making sure that they post "something" than actually helping out the people that are asking for help.  I can't possibly imagine what sort of incentive might be driving people to just make posts when they don't know what they're talking about.  Why waste time writing something incorrect or misleading?  Any idea what their incentive might be?

As for "not reply an answer. . .good advice".  It is clear that you didn't actually read my post or you would have seen this VERY GOOD advice:

I suggest you lock this thread.  Then start a new thread and mark the "self moderated" checkbox in the "Additional Options" when you start the thread.  That way you can delete the amazing quantity of nonsense, drivel, and misinformation as you identify it and keep the conversation limited to those that are actually capable of helping you.

If you choose to do so, send me a PM. I'll join the new thread, help you analyze exactly what happened, and talk you through some of your options.

If everyone that wanted actual help were to do these two simple things:

• Create only self-moderated threads
• Delete nonsense, drivel, and bad advice

Then this forum might actually become a useful, educational, and helpful place once again.

[Supercrypt]

Wait it out. Either it will be confirmed or it it doesn't, it'll come back to you. You can try maybe double spending for this if you're in a rush for the transaction to be confirmed although it's not always guaranteed but as far as I know, there isn't any issue about it just yet.