Opair - A scam?!

[YIz]

Okay so if you have been following the Opair project you might have noticed it is fishy. yep, not NECESSARILY A SCAM, but very well could be.
The dude refused to use escrow, has LinkedIn accounts that are less trusted than me, ignores the interview request, and refuses to give refunds.

Please, look at the whole matter and decide for yourself what do you think this project is. don't take my word.

So what do you think happens now? he already have 50,000$ in his hands. he could run away at any moment.
Opair's original thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558596.0
Opair's unmoderated thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1570330.0

STEEMIT explaination and discussion: https://steemit.com/money/@soapsadu/opair-project-a-scam

[Indianacoin]

Its obvious that time will tell whether Opair is scam or not.
In face I have seen them conducting signature campaign which might be the main driving factor behind achieving long term investors.

According to me the article is on point but there are some ICOs in the past that had not gone AWOL and is still running without escrow.
In case they scam, the investors need to backtrack the movement of the ICO money right away.

[Robertqueen2]

I had a bad experience with one of the ICO projects which was not using an escrow , the ICO name was OPHION , what a coincidence , both begin with O , but I can't accuse Opiar of scamming , because there were many ICOs which was running without escrow and they didn't scam finally .

[Heutenamos]

Depends on your definition of scam. It is definitely possible that they might delete the whole thread and run away with the money.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160731100303/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558596.0

[YIz]

Depends on your definition of scam. It is definitely possible that they might delete the whole thread and run away with the money.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160731100303/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558596.0

He doesn't even need to remove the thread, he has bitcoins, probably a VPN, and a fake identity. he could just log out and nobody will ever find him.

[electronicash]

Depends on your definition of scam. It is definitely possible that they might delete the whole thread and run away with the money.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160731100303/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558596.0

Really? Haven't created a moderated all my life but yeah if a moderated thread can be deleted then this just prove that Opair can possibly go scam.
I was actually reading the whole ICO the other day and was interested to invest but seeing no escrow was used not even just a user or an exchange site, i step back and warn some users as well.

[kooke]

Read this guys:

I wanna said this again:

"I will speak as the investor of this project that I am. As several users have noted above there are points that would have been better if they were different (such as using escrow) but as he said wasserman99 everything was clarified and public before the ICO, which there is no complaint possible. That was the Opair proposal and I decided to invest equally like others, even knowing these points because I was attracted by the proposed project. I'm glad to invest here and I'm sure this project will go far. We are already adults and before investing our own money we must do due diligence about that points. So now please stop with the drama. If you want to invest, do it, or not it's your own decision.
Please take a look at the ICO platform, it is the most transparent i saw in this forum. You can see at any time all statistics, including your balance and price per coin, which is updated as more people invest. Everything run smoothly. For suspicious people, make yourselves an account on the platform and try it on your own. That's a great test of experience and knowledge of this team. If the final release has much quality as the platform it will be a success. If they could do that without money, with the money raise from the ICO the sky is the limit."

Moreover, if any user wants to do drama/fud/etc you can create your own thread. Here it is to discuss Opair and its evolution, not on issues that were already cleared a thousand times. If you do not like the rules that they put, dont invest, END. SIMPLY LIKE THAT! but i do not want that investment i ve made in this project, which was big, it is affected by fools users who can not read a few simple rules. Each is responsible for where you decide to invest and, before doing so, they must perform due diligence, which is in this case they didnt. NOOBS!

In short, I am more affected by the actions of these fools users than the dev, since neither has completed the ICO, which we can not know if they will achieve fulfill everything they have promised.

[gtglener]

It looks a very attractive and unique coin, i will not say that it will scam or not as only escrow is not the base for someone to be scam or not, I hope that this coin do not come scam.

By the way currently we do not have any solid proofs about this coin that it is scam or not, I will try to study about that and I hope I will sooner come to a conclusion before investing in there.

[Cboy]

Surely it is a scam. Developers not giving an interview because they are afraid ? Not using escrow ? The guy promoting it is staying anonymous ?
And some people already invested ...

[Heutenamos]

i will not say that it will scam or not as only escrow is not the base for someone to be scam or not

Yes it is. Either escrow or tech. What do they have ?

[kooke]

You're doing fine so far, already 76 BTC invested. Maybe just do what BRK devs did and ignore the FUD. It's not going to stop if you add escrow. It's not going to stop if you reveal everything about yourselves. I agree, 40k is about enough for 2 months of work, could easily burn through it in a week tbh.

The reality is that there are a lot of ignorant people that think they know how things "should" be done, but they forget about all of the times that people "got scammed" by ICOs using escrow and revealing their identities. Legal action is rarely successful. Escrow might make some people comfortable but consider a lot of those people weren't going to invest anyways. Escrow releases funds with minimal requirements so there's no real benefit to using it. Not by the definition of "scam" that passes around here, anyways.

If your coin enters the market at below "X" it's a scam. If your coin goes down in value it's a scam. If the dev needs to sleep or eat then it's a scam. If you don't update the thread every day with progress, it's a scam. No matter what, they find some reason to accuse you of scamming.


I'm not saying Opair is or isn't a scam. I'm saying that people will think it's a scam no matter what you do. You can't please everyone, ever.


But, if you really want to make that 700 BTC mark. Contact SebastianJu and figure it out. Escrow will make more people invest more. There is no real downfall to using it if you're running a legitimate project that plans to go the full course, even if you're not. A good scam can make it past escrow, lol. Look at the projects you yourself have compared this to. They used escrow. They raised the amount you want to raise. You have to see the correlation there. Also, don't be scared of threats from these fools. Most wouldn't leave their house to do something if you were tied up and left on their lawn. Ignore the FUD. Listen to investors. Work with us.

It's definitely strange that an accomplished developer has no commits or sources. Simply by Googling my username you can find me and I haven't worked for any major companies. I'm an amateur developer with less than 4 years of experience but I'm easily found. Why isn't a full stack dev with 20+ years? My partner is a full stack dev and has an extremely common name and can still be found easily.  That's how you get venture capital level funding.  Transparency.

If you don't raise 700+ BTC with this project at this price per coin then it will be entirely because of your lack of transparency and refusal to use escrow. Blaming FUD is sad.

Go look at WAVES/LISK/RISE threads and tell me how it prevented them. Look at the situation with ETH. How much did they raise again? Lots of FUD in their thread too. You only have yourself to blame, as the marketing coordinator.

In short, I am more affected by the actions of these fools users than the dev, since neither has completed the ICO, which we can not know if they will achieve fulfill everything they have promised."

+1. I agreed with everything you said but didn't want to make the post so long... it's already long enough. lol

What the hell do not understand? They use escrow or not will not change anything. If they were scammers as you say, they simply launch a basic wallet and escrow will release the funds.

[kooke]

This community needs to mature. You are throwing it all away. Let this team work. If they can not meet his promises or run away, then all of us we made a legal action or whatever, but doing this now we gain nothing. This situation is sick.

Really i dont understand anything about this makes no sense. Are you really investors?

I wanna said this again:

"I will speak as the investor of this project that I am. As several users have noted above there are points that would have been better if they were different (such as using escrow) but as he said wasserman99 everything was clarified and public before the ICO, which there is no complaint possible. That was the Opair proposal and I decided to invest equally like others, even knowing these points because I was attracted by the proposed project. I'm glad to invest here and I'm sure this project will go far. We are already adults and before investing our own money we must do due diligence about that points. So now please stop with the drama. If you want to invest, do it, or not it's your own decision.
Please take a look at the ICO platform, it is the most transparent i saw in this forum. You can see at any time all statistics, including your balance and price per coin, which is updated as more people invest. Everything run smoothly. For suspicious people, make yourselves an account on the platform and try it on your own. That's a great test of experience and knowledge of this team. If the final release has much quality as the platform it will be a success. If they could do that without money, with the money raise from the ICO the sky is the limit.

Moreover, if any user wants to do drama/fud/etc you can create your own thread. Here it is to discuss Opair and its evolution, not on issues that were already cleared a thousand times. If you do not like the rules that they put, dont invest, END. SIMPLY LIKE THAT! but i do not want that investment i ve made in this project, which was big, it is affected by fools users who can not read a few simple rules. Each is responsible for where you decide to invest and, before doing so, they must perform due diligence, which is in this case they didnt. NOOBS!

In short, I am more affected by the actions of these fools users than the dev, since neither has completed the ICO, which we can not know if they will achieve fulfill everything they have promised."

[samcoin]

I won't risk my money and invest in an ICO projecet which is running without escrow , but that doesn't mean Opair is a scam , also their signature campaign manager is Lutpin , who is known by catching scammers , he won't risk his reputation because of Opair , so mostly this project is legit .

[bestluck]

I think none of the project escape away unless they face failure, we should have to support their project and have to make them successful and I hope they will not kick their success and will not escape away from here with black faces, the project is looking more attractive and it looks that they have put all of their struggles in there to start their project of Opair. So we do not have to blame anyone for nothing.

[YIz]

I think none of the project escape away unless they face failure, we should have to support their project and have to make them successful and I hope they will not kick their success and will not escape away from here with black faces, the project is looking more attractive and it looks that they have put all of their struggles in there to start their project of Opair. So we do not have to blame anyone for nothing.

We didn't blame them for anything because we do not have any evidence at this point, but there are some trust issues about this project.

[hatshepsut93]

Any altcoin that doesn't offer some real innovation (no, "smart contracts" and "colored coins" are not innovation) is just a pump & dump scamcoin.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Any altcoin that doesn't offer some real innovation (no, "smart contracts" and "colored coins" are not innovation) is just a pump & dump scamcoin.

Right, that's why any such new coin is a shitcoin, but they aren't necessarily scams.  This one in particular does seem shady at best.  I'm not buying any, and those who do better watch out.  If it's not an innovative coin,  it's going to end up in the shit pile sooner or later. 

[arwin100]

Any altcoin that doesn't offer some real innovation (no, "smart contracts" and "colored coins" are not innovation) is just a pump & dump scamcoin.

Right, that's why any such new coin is a shitcoin, but they aren't necessarily scams.  This one in particular does seem shady at best.  I'm not buying any, and those who do better watch out.  If it's not an innovative coin,  it's going to end up in the shit pile sooner or later. 

Well im not into ico these days but opair for me is bit shady and i dont find any good for it thats why i'd rather step back and dont invest any single penny on them thats why id go rather for different coins like those establish one and already on exchangers. Opair would surely became shit same of those who ender first before them.

[geopolisch]

Well, I don't think they are scammers. may be they turn to scam in future . but right now they are working well,
I didn't invested anything in their ICO but I just apply to enroll in their signature campaign. which is being managed by a very reputed member of the forum. I don't think he support a scam project.

[andyste]

opair coin until now still project is ICO
signature campaign opair still run and under control reputable manager campaign signature lutphin
and i think dev opair ready send coin to lutphin
wait until 6 week signature campaign, is opair scam or paid