About the Minestock.org scam

[QuentinA]

First off, I put this thread in the sales because it concerns this thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1546098.0 (it used to be a sales thread advertizing minestock.org)


Hi guys,

Tupsu just asked me if I had started a new topic about the Minestock.org scam, so here I am.

What's on my mind? Send me screenshots and/or adresses you sent payment to, I will try to contact the payment processor (Coingate.com) with the necessary info so maybe they can tell me the next adress it was sent to or even the identity of the cunt.

It's a long shot and I didn't loose that much but if there is an easy way of pissing him off I'll get right on it 

However, keep in mind we have no court order etc. so we'll probably be facing a brick wall, but it's worth a try !

Shoot me your txids and screens, I'll contact them on saturday once I have a little time to get to it !

Cheers,
Q.


PS : if someone has prior experience doing this kind of thing I'd love some advice, first time I'm doing so !

[Tupsu]

How to save the whole page from

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:mJyJOeNr1TMJ:https://minestock.org/&num=1&hl=en&gl=ee&strip=0&vwsrc=0

https://minestock.org/

A friend of mine ordered about 4 BTC  from this site. I told him that  minestock.org  is reliable.
The second order was big  and ordered  without asking from me.  First order was only 600 USD.

[adaseb]

How to save the whole page from

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:mJyJOeNr1TMJ:https://minestock.org/&num=1&hl=en&gl=ee&strip=0&vwsrc=0

https://minestock.org/

A friend of mine ordered about 4 BTC  from this site. I told him that  minestock.org  is reliable.
The second order was big  and ordered  without asking from me.  First order was only 600 USD.

So did he receive his first order?

[Tupsu]

How to save the whole page from

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:mJyJOeNr1TMJ:https://minestock.org/&num=1&hl=en&gl=ee&strip=0&vwsrc=0

https://minestock.org/

A friend of mine ordered about 4 BTC  from this site. I told him that  minestock.org  is reliable.
The second order was big  and ordered  without asking from me.  First order was only 600 USD.

So did he receive his first order?

No.

[CoinGate]

Hello,

We are Bitcoin payment processor CoinGate.com - we were used by Minestock.org to process Bitcoin payments. Today we have received complaints about Minestock.org being a scam and we wanted to let everyone know that we do not support any illegal and / or dishonest behavior and would fully and actively cooperate with law enforcement if there was an official investigation regarding Minestock.org. If anyone has any evidence that they have been scammed by Minestock.org, we kindly ask you to send it to us at support@coingate.com

We will answer any questions here, which would not breach privacy protection laws of Lithuania (European Union), where our company is located.

Sincerely,
The CoinGate.com Team

[dominos]

Hello,

We are Bitcoin payment processor CoinGate.com - we were used by Minestock.org to process Bitcoin payments. Today we have received complaints about Minestock.org being a scam and we wanted to let everyone know that we do not support any illegal and / or dishonest behavior and would fully and actively cooperate with law enforcement if there was an official investigation regarding Minestock.org. If anyone has any evidence that they have been scammed by Minestock.org, we kindly ask you to send it to us at support@coingate.com

We will answer any questions here, which would not breach privacy protection laws of Lithuania (European Union), where our company is located.

Sincerely,
The CoinGate.com Team

What is this now?
Is this really official representative of coingate.com?

[Tupsu]

Hello,

We are Bitcoin payment processor CoinGate.com - we were used by Minestock.org to process Bitcoin payments. Today we have received complaints about Minestock.org being a scam and we wanted to let everyone know that we do not support any illegal and / or dishonest behavior and would fully and actively cooperate with law enforcement if there was an official investigation regarding Minestock.org. If anyone has any evidence that they have been scammed by Minestock.org, we kindly ask you to send it to us at support@coingate.com

We will answer any questions here, which would not breach privacy protection laws of Lithuania (European Union), where our company is located.

Sincerely,
The CoinGate.com Team

Then answer the question:
Was the  money  recipient  a company or individual person ?

Since my friend  amount has around EUR 2,000 ,  what your company has helped to defraud he goes to the police anyway.

But the question is that why you are hiding fake company data.

Main office - Ul. Inflancka 4, Warsaw, Poland, 00-189 -  the address is not registered in Poland in such a company.
Not registered in such companies as Minestock.

Do your rules go hide data even if the registration has been submitted false data  or use an account for scams ?

How many BTC orders " Minestock "  went through you ?

My friend's messages you no longer responded, although he gave you all  evidence.

Privacy does not mean protection from fraudsters , write it down in your rules.
https://coingate.com/privacy

[Tupsu]

What is this now?
Is this really official representative of coingate.com?

Yes. My friend wrote to you yesterday, that they took part in assisting the impostor.

[dominos]

Hello,

We are Bitcoin payment processor CoinGate.com - we were used by Minestock.org to process Bitcoin payments. Today we have received complaints about Minestock.org being a scam and we wanted to let everyone know that we do not support any illegal and / or dishonest behavior and would fully and actively cooperate with law enforcement if there was an official investigation regarding Minestock.org. If anyone has any evidence that they have been scammed by Minestock.org, we kindly ask you to send it to us at support@coingate.com

We will answer any questions here, which would not breach privacy protection laws of Lithuania (European Union), where our company is located.

Sincerely,
The CoinGate.com Team

What is this now?
Is this really official representative of coingate.com?

We have enough evidence have screens and txids of payment that we sent to minestock and they did scam.
you already knows better than us that minestock.org did scam with using coingate.com payment processor and you should take legal action against them if you don't do this more questions will rise on you.

[dominos]

Hello,

We are Bitcoin payment processor CoinGate.com - we were used by Minestock.org to process Bitcoin payments. Today we have received complaints about Minestock.org being a scam and we wanted to let everyone know that we do not support any illegal and / or dishonest behavior and would fully and actively cooperate with law enforcement if there was an official investigation regarding Minestock.org. If anyone has any evidence that they have been scammed by Minestock.org, we kindly ask you to send it to us at support@coingate.com

We will answer any questions here, which would not breach privacy protection laws of Lithuania (European Union), where our company is located.

Sincerely,
The CoinGate.com Team

Then answer the question:
Was the  money  recipient  a company or individual person ?

Since my friend  amount has around EUR 2,000 ,  what your company has helped to defraud he goes to the police anyway.

But the question is that why you are hiding fake company data.

Main office - Ul. Inflancka 4, Warsaw, Poland, 00-189 -  the address is not registered in Poland in such a company.
Not registered in such companies as Minestock.

Do your rules go hide data even if the registration has been submitted false data  or use an account for scams ?

How many BTC orders " Minestock "  went through you ?

My friend's messages you no longer responded, although he gave you all  evidence.

Privacy does not mean protection from fraudsters , write it down in your rules.
https://coingate.com/privacy

coingate.com knows everything about minestock or that individual what they did and scammed many people using their payment processor.
Now as a company coingate.com just hiding the facts otherwise they can take action against them as they have their accounts addresses etc where money has gone and can contact to authorities.
Otherwise @Tupsu or your friend should open a thread against coingate.com here in this section or in scam accusations section as they are equal responsible for this scam.

[CoinGate]

Then answer the question:
Was the  money  recipient  a company or individual person ?

But the question is that why you are hiding fake company data.

Main office - Ul. Inflancka 4, Warsaw, Poland, 00-189 -  the address is not registered in Poland in such a company.
Not registered in such companies as Minestock.

Do your rules go hide data even if the registration has been submitted false data  or use an account for scams ?

How many BTC orders " Minestock "  went through you ?

Privacy does not mean protection from fraudsters , write it down in your rules.
https://coingate.com/privacy

As we have said in the previous post, we will share any requested data with the law enforcement, if we receive an official request from a law enforcement agency to help with an ongoing investigation. We will not hide any data from law enforcement or otherwise hinder any investigations if they are initiated. Of course, we can share customers' data only with law enforcement - we can not share it on a public forum or without receiving an official request for said data from a law enforcement agency.

Since my friend  amount has around EUR 2,000 ,  what your company has helped to defraud he goes to the police anyway.

Yes. My friend wrote to you yesterday, that they took part in assisting the impostor.

Otherwise @Tupsu or your friend should open a thread against coingate.com here in this section or in scam accusations section as they are equal responsible for this scam.

CoinGate is not affiliated in any way with Minestock.org and we have not helped defraud anyone. We offer a software solution which can be openly used by anyone without identity verification to accept Bitcoin payments. Our assistance to Minestock.org was not bigger than Mozilla's or Google's assistance to them by creating a web browser which enabled people to access their website. That said, we take scam accusations seriously and have currently suspended their account. Again, if anyone was scammed, we encourage you to contact law enforcement and start an official investigation, with which we will fully and actively cooperate.

We have enough evidence have screens and txids of payment that we sent to minestock and they did scam.
you already knows better than us that minestock.org did scam with using coingate.com payment processor and you should take legal action against them if you don't do this more questions will rise on you.

We thank you for the evidence you have sent us, and we will be sure to share all the evidence we have with law enforcement, if we receive an official request for it.

[QuentinA]

@Coingate : thanks for taking part in that thread and keeping us in touch.
Speaking for myself and having lost .5btc, it's a hasstle to go to the cops (include the 3 hours where they take me for a terrorist because I talk about btc and the 2 month where they'll tap my phonelines for the same reason, really).

I would like to know if you have an identity of the person behind minestock.org or simply a btc address to redirect their funds ? I don't know if you can teell me here or by PM but I'm looking for a simple yes or no to see if it's worth the time or not.

Thanks again,
Q.

[Tarskineater]

I did lose $220 to them so I am just very tired now losing that much money:(

[Tupsu]

CoinGate is not affiliated in any way with Minestock.org and we have not helped defraud anyone. We offer a software solution which can be openly used by anyone without identity verification to accept Bitcoin payments. Our assistance to Minestock.org was not bigger than Mozilla's or Google's assistance to them by creating a web browser which enabled people to access their website. That said, we take scam accusations seriously and have currently suspended their account. Again, if anyone was scammed, we encourage you to contact law enforcement and start an official investigation, with which we will fully and actively cooperate.

https://coingate.com/privacy
Privacy Policy

Coingate.com is a website created and owned by JSC “Virtualios valiutos”, registered in Ukmerges street 315B, Vilnius, Lithuania, registration code: 303423510. This Privacy Policy explains how personal information of visitors and users is collected and used on coingate.com.

When you are visiting coingate.com, we collect standard web log information, such as your IP address, operating system, browser type and version, and other non-personally identifiable information. This information is used to optimize your experience using coingate.com and to provice statistics of how coingate.com is used. This information may be kept indefinitely.

Coingate.com also uses cookies, which are tiny text files, to store information on your computer. Cookies are used to make coingate.com functional and it may not work correctly if cookies are disabled. To find out how to manage cookies in your browser, please visit one of the links below:

    Mozilla Firefox - https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/enable-and-disable-cookies-website-preferences
    Google Chrome - https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95647
    Opera - http://www.opera.com/help/tutorials/security/privacy
    Internet Explorer - http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/internet-explorer/delete-manage-cookies

Coingate.com also uses third-party services, which may collect some information about you. You should read Privacy Policy of those services, to find out more about how and what information they collect:

    Google Analytics - http://www.google.com/policies/privacy
    Groove - https://www.groovehq.com/our/privacy

When you register on coingate.com, we collect additional information about you:

    Your full name
    Name and physical address of the company you represent
    E-mail address
    Telephone number

This information (except e-mail) can be changed by visiting https://coingate.com/account/settings while logged in. If you wish to change your e-mail, please contact our support. This information may be kept indefinitely, but you can request for it to be deleted by contacting our support. Please note, that we will not be able to delete your information if you have already had any orders or any money moving through your account.

To be able to make withdrawals, we ask you to go through our verification process. To do this, we may ask you to send us the following verification documents:

    Signed copy of your company incorporation certificate
    Valid copy of applicant's government Photo ID document
    Company utility bill
    Power of Attorney allowing applicant to co-operate with CoinGate on company's behalf (if applicant is different from company's Director)

This information may be kept indefinitely, but you can request for it to be deleted by contacting our support. Please note, that we will not be able to delete your information if you have already had any orders or any money moving through your account.

We will never sell, give or otherwise disclose any of the information about you to any third-parties, except to comply with a court order or legal process, or where required by law.

This Privacy Policy may be changed without prior notice. All changes will be reflected in this document immediately. In the event of a major change, we will inform our registered users by e-mail or by other available means of contact.


How about the fact that you let your service to use a non-existent company ?

I do not read anywhere that your contract protects non-existing firms.


If you have information that the company MINESTOCK are registered in some EU country, please share this information.

Please be aware that the complaint submitted to fraud against your company because you are the only known party, although the impostor was a non-existent company, whose real existence, you will not be checked, before you open the service for him.

[dominos]

CoinGate is not affiliated in any way with Minestock.org and we have not helped defraud anyone. We offer a software solution which can be openly used by anyone without identity verification to accept Bitcoin payments. Our assistance to Minestock.org was not bigger than Mozilla's or Google's assistance to them by creating a web browser which enabled people to access their website. That said, we take scam accusations seriously and have currently suspended their account. Again, if anyone was scammed, we encourage you to contact law enforcement and start an official investigation, with which we will fully and actively cooperate.

https://coingate.com/privacy
Privacy Policy

Coingate.com is a website created and owned by JSC “Virtualios valiutos”, registered in Ukmerges street 315B, Vilnius, Lithuania, registration code: 303423510. This Privacy Policy explains how personal information of visitors and users is collected and used on coingate.com.

When you are visiting coingate.com, we collect standard web log information, such as your IP address, operating system, browser type and version, and other non-personally identifiable information. This information is used to optimize your experience using coingate.com and to provice statistics of how coingate.com is used. This information may be kept indefinitely.

Coingate.com also uses cookies, which are tiny text files, to store information on your computer. Cookies are used to make coingate.com functional and it may not work correctly if cookies are disabled. To find out how to manage cookies in your browser, please visit one of the links below:

    Mozilla Firefox - https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/enable-and-disable-cookies-website-preferences
    Google Chrome - https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95647
    Opera - http://www.opera.com/help/tutorials/security/privacy
    Internet Explorer - http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/internet-explorer/delete-manage-cookies

Coingate.com also uses third-party services, which may collect some information about you. You should read Privacy Policy of those services, to find out more about how and what information they collect:

    Google Analytics - http://www.google.com/policies/privacy
    Groove - https://www.groovehq.com/our/privacy

When you register on coingate.com, we collect additional information about you:

    Your full name
    Name and physical address of the company you represent
    E-mail address
    Telephone number

This information (except e-mail) can be changed by visiting https://coingate.com/account/settings while logged in. If you wish to change your e-mail, please contact our support. This information may be kept indefinitely, but you can request for it to be deleted by contacting our support. Please note, that we will not be able to delete your information if you have already had any orders or any money moving through your account.

To be able to make withdrawals, we ask you to go through our verification process. To do this, we may ask you to send us the following verification documents:

    Signed copy of your company incorporation certificate
    Valid copy of applicant's government Photo ID document
    Company utility bill
    Power of Attorney allowing applicant to co-operate with CoinGate on company's behalf (if applicant is different from company's Director)

This information may be kept indefinitely, but you can request for it to be deleted by contacting our support. Please note, that we will not be able to delete your information if you have already had any orders or any money moving through your account.

We will never sell, give or otherwise disclose any of the information about you to any third-parties, except to comply with a court order or legal process, or where required by law.

This Privacy Policy may be changed without prior notice. All changes will be reflected in this document immediately. In the event of a major change, we will inform our registered users by e-mail or by other available means of contact.


How about the fact that you let your service to use a non-existent company ?

I do not read anywhere that your contract protects non-existing firms.


If you have information that the company MINESTOCK are registered in some EU country, please share this information.

Please be aware that the complaint submitted to fraud against your company because you are the only known party, although the impostor was a non-existent company, whose real existence, you will not be checked, before you open the service for him.

This really makes me wonder how this company acting like bullshit.
what they wrote in their Privacy policy and Terms of services and what they are doing.
I am with you @Tupsu or Q. please try to go to law enforcement or court against coingate.com
simple is that coingate.com doing tricks and they provide helping hand to minestock for scamming.
coingate.com is a fraud

[CoinGate]

<...>
When you register on coingate.com, we collect additional information about you:

    Your full name
    Name and physical address of the company you represent
    E-mail address
    Telephone number
<...>
To be able to make withdrawals, we ask you to go through our verification process. To do this, we may ask you to send us the following verification documents:

    Signed copy of your company incorporation certificate
    Valid copy of applicant's government Photo ID document
    Company utility bill
    Power of Attorney allowing applicant to co-operate with CoinGate on company's behalf (if applicant is different from company's Director)
<...>
How about the fact that you let your service to use a non-existent company ?

I do not read anywhere that your contract protects non-existing firms.

If you have information that the company MINESTOCK are registered in some EU country, please share this information.

Please be aware that the complaint submitted to fraud against your company because you are the only known party, although the impostor was a non-existent company, whose real existence, you will not be checked, before you open the service for him.

I would like to know if you have an identity of the person behind minestock.org or simply a btc address to redirect their funds ? I don't know if you can teell me here or by PM but I'm looking for a simple yes or no to see if it's worth the time or not.

We only collect additional information and require verification documents in the following scenarios:

1. A person registers on CoinGate and wants to sell bitcoins for fiat currency.
2. A person registers on CoinGate and wants to buy bitcoins using fiat currency.
3. A business registers on CoinGate and wants to accept Bitcoin payments and have the received bitcoins automatically converted to fiat currency and paid out to a bank or PayPal account.

In summary, if the money processed involves fiat currency, then we require additional identification information and verification; if the money processed involves only bitcoins, then we do not require identification or verification.

Here is a screenshot from our website listing what kind of verification is required for which scenarios:

[anakinisme]

Hi, is this the scammer you guys refer to?  D_Ellow

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=791717

[QuentinA]

Allright let's all just chill for a minute, everyone's pissed because we lost money but we have a direct contact with someone inside the payment processor with possibly precious information, so they're not the right guy to yell on right now !!

Could CoinGate confirm the account Minestock.com has subscribed to (trader, starter etc.) withoud disclosing name or any other info or is this not legal?

Does CoinGate have the identity of the person or was it not verified because he didn't open an account requiring it?

Simple yes or no please.

Cheers,
Q.

[CoinGate]

simple is that coingate.com doing tricks and they provide helping hand to minestock for scamming.
coingate.com is a fraud

As we have already explained to you, we are not affiliated with Minestock.org in any way, and we did not help anyone scamming - our software solution can be openly used by anyone without identification and verification, just like Mozilla's and Google's web browsers can be used by anyone for various purposes, including scamming people, but this does not mean Mozilla or Google are "giving a helping hand to scammers" or are "a fraud".

While we understand that you are upset, please refrain from making baseless and false accusations about CoinGate. We have written in this thread to let everyone know that we will fully cooperate with any law enforcement inquiries, and we encourage people to contact law enforcement is they have been scammed. We will keep responding to questions in this thread, but we ask everyone to keep civil and refrain from insults. Thank you.

[dominos]

simple is that coingate.com doing tricks and they provide helping hand to minestock for scamming.
coingate.com is a fraud

As we have already explained to you, we are not affiliated with Minestock.org in any way, and we did not help anyone scamming - our software solution can be openly used by anyone without identification and verification, just like Mozilla's and Google's web browsers can be used by anyone for various purposes, including scamming people, but this does not mean Mozilla or Google are "giving a helping hand to scammers" or are "a fraud".

While we understand that you are upset, please refrain from making baseless and false accusations about CoinGate. We have written in this thread to let everyone know that we will fully cooperate with any law enforcement inquiries, and we encourage people to contact law enforcement is they have been scammed. We will keep responding to questions in this thread, but we ask everyone to keep civil and refrain from insults. Thank you.

Then simply share the info and please answer the questions that QuentinA and Tupsu asked