Wiki governance

[chriswilmer]

I support ripper234's efforts to establish rules of fair play and consensus building.

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[weex]

I support the effort to make this Bitcoin wiki tent bigger. Comments on discussion pages should not be removed until issues are settled. It may help to require references (as in external or notable articles) when disputes cannot be otherwise resolved.

[ripper234]

I support the effort to make this Bitcoin wiki tent bigger. Comments on discussion pages should not be removed until issues are settled. It may help to require references (as in external or notable articles) when disputes cannot be otherwise resolved.

Why should comments on discussion pages _ever_ be removed?
Discussions can be archived if the talk page gets crowded.

We can document how to do this if the need arises.

[aantonop]

I would support clear rules, clear and transparent process and broad inclusive participation by the community. Basically, the exact opposite of the bitcoin.org management.

@gmaxwell is much more comfortable with rule by decree, as he has demonstrated on the bitcoin.org Press Center debacle. He cannot be trusted with a "community" process because he treats it like peasants petitioning the king. Just go check out the pull requests on bitcoin.org to see how it works: He keeps changing his mind on what the criteria are, applying them any way that supports his predetermined decision, no matter how inconsistent and transparent.

[ripper234]

I would support clear rules, clear and transparent process and broad inclusive participation by the community.

I fully agree. What do you think about this (latest) version of the rules?

We haven't defined the exact process for determining and setting these rules yet ... right now that is open for debate, but I'd like to focus on the specific rules, get as wide as possible acceptance on that, and perhaps move on to define processes for changing them later on.

[AtlasONo]

Something has to be done, I see no down side of adopting the proposed "core rules".

[TierNolan]

Have all the wiki pages been locked to editing?

[ripper234]

Have all the wiki pages been locked to editing?

The wiki pages are protected from spam using the BitcoinPayment system. You make a small one-time contribution and then you can edit everything (except pages that are truly locked).

Ideally new users should see a message telling them about this system more prominently, but I don't know how to implement it ... it's possible that only MagicalTux has access to do this kind of change (and he is quite busy).

[TierNolan]

The wiki pages are protected from spam using the BitcoinPayment system. You make a small one-time contribution and then you can edit everything (except pages that are truly locked).

I used to be able to edit and it isn't telling me to make the payment.  Old users weren't grandfathered in then?

[ripper234]

The wiki pages are protected from spam using the BitcoinPayment system. You make a small one-time contribution and then you can edit everything (except pages that are truly locked).

I used to be able to edit and it isn't telling me to make the payment.  Old users weren't grandfathered in then?

No.
A lot of old users were created by spambots, prior edits do not mean a user isn't a spambot.

[kuzetsa]

Why should comments on discussion pages _ever_ be removed?
Discussions can be archived if the talk page gets crowded.

We can document how to do this if the need arises.

^The procedures are well-understood, and already documented as follows:

• Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License <-- open source, with mandatory attribution
• Archiving a talk page: how-to guide detailing the "best common practice" from English Wikipedia
  
  • Talk archive template, From Wikimedia Commons, the free media repository <-- Header for the archive. Goes inside for the archive itself
  • Example 1, cleaned-up talk page which has an archive <-- meta-pun intended -- it's the talk page for "Argument_(disambiguation)"
  • Examples 2, 3, 4, 5, etc... From the built-in template documentation <-- This is actually the navigation box template itself
    (clean looking, and user friendly navigation header for the talk page...
    It can simply be {{transcluded}} instead of being manually re-coded each time
  
  Creating new documentation, and other templates can sometimes be non-trivial, but this is neither an unmanageable task, nor a huge amount of wiki-code if we decided to completely do everything from scratch.
  
  ... My own preference however, is to NOT re-invent the wheel, but rather jump through one or two hoops, following the creative commons license "attribution" procedures, and invoke the "copy" and "remix" permissions to adapt the existing work to the specific needs on bitcoin wiki.
  
  Hope this information helps, and I'm volunteering to help fork the the "talk page archiving" implementation & documentation from en.wikipedia.org, and will be careful to avoid a violation of any relevant creative commons license terms (attribution procedures)

[nanotube]

Hope this information helps, and I'm volunteering to help fork the the "talk page archiving" implementation & documentation from en.wikipedia.org, and will be careful to avoid a violation of any relevant creative commons license terms (attribution procedures)[/list]

That's great! Give it a try and let's see how it works out - no harm it trying. Hopefully we can get away with mostly a copy/paste job from wp :).

[kuzetsa]

Hope this information helps, and I'm volunteering to help fork the the "talk page archiving" implementation & documentation from en.wikipedia.org, and will be careful to avoid a violation of any relevant creative commons license terms (attribution procedures)

That's great! Give it a try and let's see how it works out - no harm it trying. Hopefully we can get away with mostly a copy/paste job from wp .

Relevant self-quote cut-copy-pasted from IRC:

Code:

(Timestamps Local NY time)

[23:32:47] <kuzetsa> so I'll likely just make a single copyright / attribution page
[23:33:11] <kuzetsa> (like a template or something) and then just transclude it onto all the "copied from wikipedia" utility templates and whatnot

Exact section from the license in question states:

Attribution — You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work.)

@nanotube -- Ok then, sounds like a plan...

I might not have much time in the next 48 hours, but I'll almost certainly be able to have a working version before the end of the month of May 2013