Whose Crimea

[mindrust]

"People voted on referandum to join Russia" Not exactly that. Firstly Russia send their army forces to Crimea, they beated Ukraine army. And only then was referandum, which was controlled by Russia, so it wasn't 100% free people choice. This is why almost all countries didn't accepted Crimea as part of Russia. I would understand if Crimea would had referandum without Russia intervention.

So according to your view, they literally occupied the land. Well, that was always the way how it worked since the beginning. If you are strong you go and you take what you want. "survival of the fittest" Ukraine didn't have the power to hold Crimea, so Russia took it from Ukraine. No big deal.

You don't give your land just because they asked it. You fight for it and the stronger wins.

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[Masha Sha]

According to the latest referandum, Crimea belongs to Russia. People live there voted for this and it is done. They didn't want to stay with Ukraine, they have chosen to join Russia. A big kick to the Ukraine and Europe. In the 21th century, Russia gained land. That's a huuuge huge huge success for Russia.

You have a Turkish background. Kurds voted for independence. Do you have the same opinion about Kurdistan?

Yes totally! Self determination... it's not ideal... but it's already a progress. What is funny is that Crimean have the right to a peaceful life while the Syrians (who like the novorossians) wanted a new life are forbidden and killed. Lame, sad and weak.

[Alik Bahshi]

The UN Human Rights Mission has found in the Crimea serious violations and even such as kidnapping, torture and cases of extrajudicial execution, let alone forcibly coercing people to transfer to Russian citizenship. http://www.interfax.ru/russia/580452?utm_source=mst_rd

Moscow's reaction is interesting: "We believe that this is not in the competence of the observation mission." That's nothing more or less. And what then should be in the competence of the human rights mission? Someone can give a reasonable answer to this question.

[Nalbo]

I've been to Crimea before the annexation.
I don't think the people there would have any difference living in Russia or Ukraine.

[Jerry_Hype]

Really glad that Crimea took matters into safe hands by democratic vote they accepted to rejoin Russia.
Otherwise it would have been a terrible bloodbath, they are now protected by the sane, instead of the insane.

Maybe. Just people in Crimea get the poorer as in other areas.

[nagatraju]

I have one question brewing - why they need more land, if they can't develop their 6,5 mln sq miles - the normal life, as I understand it, is only in Moscow and St. Petersburg, and everything else is a poor and undeveloped village...

[LeonardoDiCrypto]

It is very easy to know whose Crimea: just ask the Crimean people. Incidentally this already happened. You don't like the result? Well, then ask them again, don't just pretend you know better than them.

[Sithara007]

It is very easy to know whose Crimea: just ask the Crimean people. Incidentally this already happened. You don't like the result? Well, then ask them again, don't just pretend you know better than them.

Exactly. More than 95% of the Crimeans want to be part of Russia and many of the western agencies have also confirmed this in their opinion polls and surveys. Only a section of the Muslim Tatars don't want to be a part of Russia. But they don't want Crimea to be a part of Ukraine either. They are more interested in merging the peninsula with Turkey.

[valid46]

There is no metter to ask whose Crimea. I think all normal people, who chek news and don`t believe fakes, knows, that this is a part of Ukraine

[Nikola95]

Crimea belongs to Ukraine. You can not just go and pick up a piece of land. Even if they belonged once Russia. It is necessary to respect the borders of neighboring states. After all this, and there is an international agreement to abide by them.

There is no international agreement that is respected in all of cases. Many countries broke it when they have interest in it. You say it is necessary to respect borders of neighboring states. By me, it is more necessary to respect wish of Crimean people than people from Kiev, or Lviv who are thousands km away from Crimea.

[Basmic]

What's the question? Of course Crimea is Ukraine. There is a recognized UN borders and they should not be changed. The fact that the Russian saying about the referendum is a lie. It was not and it will never be recognized. Even if residents don't like the government then they always have the opportunity to change it at elections or to emigrate. No one can separate territory.

[Maks123]

Azerbaijani moron got to the English forum? do not listen to this idiot, his head is not in order.

[Alik Bahshi]

So, "The US State Department issued the" Crimean Declaration ", in which the official policy of the United States is the refusal to recognize Crimea as part of Russia.

"Together with the allies, partners and the international community of the USA, they reject the attempt of Russia to annex Crimea and promise to support this policy until the territorial integrity of Ukraine is restored," the statement signed by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said.

It is interesting that "The document contains a reference to the declaration of Welles 1940, according to which the United States formally refused to recognize Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia as part of the USSR Formally it operated until the collapse of the Soviet Union." https://iz.ru/770885/2018-07-25/gosd...-statuse-kryma

NATO countries supported the "Crimean Declaration".

[CordandAN]

Here's an unbiased point of view by Sir Roderic Lyne speaking at UCL (University College London). Verdict: it's neither Russian, nor Ukrainian. It should belong to Tartars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZkAf78D9Ks

[Alik Bahshi]

The International Criminal Court in The Hague qualified the accession of the peninsula to Russia as an “international armed conflict between the Russian Federation and Ukraine”.

At the moment, the “evidence of the crimes of Russia that it has committed and is committing in the Crimea, in particular, crimes against humanity” provided by the Ukrainian side are being studied in The Hague. https://politobzor.net/183399-na-ukr...zen.yandex.com

[Waradlain]

The International Criminal Court in The Hague qualified the accession of the peninsula to Russia as an “international armed conflict between the Russian Federation and Ukraine”.

At the moment, the “evidence of the crimes of Russia that it has committed and is committing in the Crimea, in particular, crimes against humanity” provided by the Ukrainian side are being studied in The Hague. https://politobzor.net/183399-na-ukr...zen.yandex.com

Man your source doesn't look good I don't think someone will ever click that yandex.com crap.

[Alik Bahshi]

The International Criminal Court in The Hague qualified the accession of the peninsula to Russia as an “international armed conflict between the Russian Federation and Ukraine”.

At the moment, the “evidence of the crimes of Russia that it has committed and is committing in the Crimea, in particular, crimes against humanity” provided by the Ukrainian side are being studied in The Hague. https://politobzor.net/183399-na-ukr...zen.yandex.com

Man your source doesn't look good I don't think someone will ever click that yandex.com crap.

The decision of the Hague court on the annexation of Crimea by Russia will not change from the source of the link.

[Alik Bahshi]

In this article from 2006, I foresaw that Russia would attack Ukraine and annex Crimea.

[BADecker]

In this article from 2006, I foresaw that Russia would attack Ukraine and annex Crimea.

Anybody can guess an obvious happening. Lots of people foresaw a bit of war. After all, when Ukraine is stupid enough to mess with Russia, anybody can see that a time will come where Russia will fight back.

Haven't you ever heard the saying, "Give a monkey a keyboard, and he will certainly type a word sometime?" Good guess in your predictions.

Btw, Crimea voted for Russian strength to come back to them.

[suzanne5223]

Crimea belongs to Ukraine. You can not just go and pick up a piece of land. Even if they belonged once Russia. It is necessary to respect the borders of neighboring states. After all this, and there is an international agreement to abide by them.

Don't you believe (independently of the reality on the ground) that some people may chose to change state? If the Crimeans want to be a territory of Russia why couldn't they? Isn't self determination not only becoming independent but equally the right to ask to join another country? If a part of Russia wanted to become Ukrainian would you see a problem in it?

There's no doubt that Crimea once belonged to the Russians before it was legally owned by Ukraine. If Crimea wants to change its state there's always a way to do it legally not through weapons and like the user said it is important to respect the neighboring country's border until the move is complete.