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xorred (OP)
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March 30, 2013, 01:51:47 AM
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I'll never have them in my hands - agreed to host them with BFL due to the stupendously horrendous taxes / delivery to my fkin country. The moment they start hashing though, you'll have to pay a hefty premium to convince me to part with them   I just know myself... I could agree to sell them in a month after though, who knows? 70% will still be waiting for theirs even then... The difficulty now is 6 million. At a difficulty of 96 million, I will make back my investment in 54 days and profit 24K in 12 months. |
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xorred (OP)
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April 01, 2013, 07:10:16 PM |
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the prices going up.... up.... how high can they go? The minimum bid hasn't changed. 60 BTC/SC. You can wait as long as you want to to decide - I'll be here  |
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xorred (OP)
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April 04, 2013, 09:48:48 AM |
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Will see you when my SCs start hashing - the moment they do start hashing, the minimum bid jumps to 170 BTC / SC
Edit: you know what? The minimum bid has just jumped to 85 BTC. I haven't made a preorder in August 2012 for nothing, people with much later pre-order dates are selling higher than me.
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quicklynx
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April 04, 2013, 10:51:35 AM |
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For August pre-orders, 85 BTC at the current rate, $133USD, is a steal compared to what they are going for on eBay.
I'm sure some would prefer to pay cash, as BTC could continue to rise, but with a little work one could pay with BTC at current rate, then with their own cash buy the BTC back at an exchange.
Personally, I'd hold onto the August pre-orders. I do think BFL WILL ship out eventually, and I do believe the early goers are going to profit huge on it, despite the raise in difficulty. Having an August pre-order is close enough to the beginning that you might actually get it in a timely manner AFTER they start shipping.
All that being said my pre-orders are in early February and can get what he is asking for in terms of USD.
GLWS
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xorred (OP)
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April 04, 2013, 11:08:08 PM |
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whoopsy  some slow pokes just lost a bit more. With the announcement of the new prices by BFL (and the fact that the most powerful SCs are now 50GHs, and mine will still be 60GHs, the price just rose to 90 BTC/piece. I will be raising the price 1 BTC/day (that's how much the units will make at 66 Million difficulty per unit) from now on. Will announce price changes every 5 days. 90 BTC/piece. |
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April 04, 2013, 11:12:24 PM |
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whoopsy some slow pokes just lost a bit more. With the announcement of the new prices by BFL (and the fact that the most powerful SCs are now 50GHs, and mine will still be 60GHs, the price just rose to 90 BTC/piece. I will be raising the price 1 BTC/day (that's how much the units will make at 66 Million difficulty per unit) from now on. Will announce price changes every 5 days. 90 BTC/piece. A little off topic here but can anyone tell me the legality of selling a position in something that turns out to be a ponzi scheme? Is the re-seller also guilty of a crime? |
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April 04, 2013, 11:22:00 PM |
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whoopsy some slow pokes just lost a bit more. With the announcement of the new prices by BFL (and the fact that the most powerful SCs are now 50GHs, and mine will still be 60GHs, the price just rose to 90 BTC/piece. I will be raising the price 1 BTC/day (that's how much the units will make at 66 Million difficulty per unit) from now on. Will announce price changes every 5 days. 90 BTC/piece. A little off topic here but can anyone tell me the legality of selling a position in something that turns out to be a ponzi scheme? Is the re-seller also guilty of a crime? Only if they knew that it was a ponzi and someone can prove that they knew it. |
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xorred (OP)
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April 05, 2013, 08:45:09 AM |
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I am sure it is not a ponzi - they just have taken a bite they can't easily swallow (production / orders) but they'll get there.
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April 05, 2013, 09:24:53 AM |
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I am sure it is not a ponzi - they just have taken a bite they can't easily swallow (production / orders) but they'll get there.
There was a auction for a 63ghash avalon batch 3 did go for 77btc and you ask 90 |
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xorred (OP)
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April 05, 2013, 01:08:32 PM |
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this batch 3 will arrive in ... nobody knows when. Most probably when the difficulty will turn it meaningless. My SCs will start hashing really soon, so... yea, bla bla, I'll probably keep them anyway lol Also... are you kidding me? The sale price was higher. 90? You should check this thread next week, when they'll be 95. Or 2 weeks from now, when they'll be 100 each. |
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April 05, 2013, 03:04:20 PM |
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The fact that you are putting pressure on possible bidders for a vaporware product will not help you..
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xorred (OP)
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April 05, 2013, 03:50:30 PM |
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you don't understand this is not pressure. First and foremost: trolling of the imbeciles who do nothing more but come here, drool and spam, but can't afford it (and still spam) Second: really, I don't care - I will raise the bid every week with 5BTC/piece, and it will still be competitive. If you don't like my shop, you're free to visit any other shop down the street, Ciao! |
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Trance104
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April 05, 2013, 06:47:35 PM |
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I'd be interested, but only in escrow.
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xorred (OP)
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April 06, 2013, 11:43:17 AM
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the arrangement process would be long enough (for mutual authentication, communicating order change with bfl (they're SLOW), etc) to accommodate an escrow and everything. Feel free to bid in the thread though I am definitely not in a hurry - BFL has not shipped yet, people are hesitant to buy... when they ship - it should be a whole different story. So I can wait. |
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April 07, 2013, 11:49:50 PM |
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this bfl order will arrive in ... nobody knows when. Most probably when the difficulty will turn it meaningless. My SCs will start hashing nobody knows when, so... yea, bla bla, I'll probably keep them anyway lol Also... are you kidding me? The sale price was higher. 90? You should check this thread next week, when they'll be 95. Or 2 weeks from now, when they'll be 100 each. fixed that for you |
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xorred (OP)
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April 08, 2013, 12:29:24 PM |
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go on  You're helping my sales and an eventual customer finding me - so the more spam and angry imbeciles - the better. I'm not the first one to sell a place in the queue + the actual 3 SCs - and once again... the moment they start hashing, the price is going to get much higher. It's irrelevant if you get mad at the fact, stomp your feet, call the Gods or cry out of anger - the minimum bid will get 5BTC higher / piece every week and will raise exponentially once the devices start hashing. That's the sign on my shop - if you don't like it - buy somewhere else, I'll wait for the customers who are ok with the rules in my shop. |
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April 08, 2013, 03:50:34 PM |
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Your price is too high. There are people like me who have ordered earlier than you and are willing to sell for 60BTC.
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xorred (OP)
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April 08, 2013, 05:02:14 PM |
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well, sell then My price is set by me, for my 3 SCs. Plus, who says it is high? Because the value of the BTC has jumped? What happenes if in 2 months it falls to $50/BTC? Or $10/BTC? Some people really don't understand the BTC economy. I'm not selling for dollars, I'm selling for BTC. And these 3 little puppies generate BTC like crazy. They will arrive much earlier than the others, hence - > the price. You think that is high? Check back on 11th of April. Then on 15th, 21st, 29th... .etc Once BFL ships in the end of April, check again. And - if by then nobody has bought them (which is a real possibility) - and mine start hashing - check the price once again, you will be surprised how high it will go. Many newcomers to this game don't have a single clue about investing. If you invest 90K and in 12 months make 120K out of it - you've made a profit of 30K and that's considered a glamorous win. A 12 month ROI with a profit is more than most investors can even dream of. This hardware will continue making money for an indefinite amount of time - and its profitability will reach 0 only when there is ASIC v2 on the market - which won't happen in at least 2 years, knowing how much time it took to develop the current hardware. After all - once again - if nobody buys at this price, they will work for me and I won't regret not selling them - the extra 2 months of mining will well pay for themselves. |
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April 09, 2013, 11:46:27 PM |
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Yeah yeah, all fairly valid points. But your arrogance won't really help you build a good reputation here. I've got an early August pre-order myself and I'm keeping it. But I'm not holding my breath for late-April shipping, that's why I recently purchased a few more GPUs, they will still pay for themselves before ASICs arrive |
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xorred (OP)
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April 10, 2013, 12:35:24 PM
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Thanks In the meantime: The minimum bid has risen to 95 BTC/SC, as promised. BTC just crashed from 266 to 120 and still falling. Anyone still thinks the price I'm asking is too high? It's a 90 day average btc output per device. Pretty realistic price for something which is 8 months ahead compared to if you buy today. |
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