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August 22, 2016, 06:36:38 PM
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What about Williams and Sharapova : it's not secret that black people are more powerful, they genes are different from white people.

BS. Black people are some of the weakest among the human races. Look at heavy-weight boxing and fighting sports such as Judo, MMA, Taekwondo.etc. There are some 2 billion blacks in this world compared to 0.5 billion whites. Still, it is the whites who dominate sports such as MMA, boxing, Judo, Karate, Fencing.etc.

You are so dumb and retarded please do something for humanities gene pool and kill yourself or atleast never procreate   Undecided


There are quite some people here on this forum who think non whites don't deserve to live or should be just slaves. Why are there post ok while this one of mine get deleted?
(This is actually one of the minor examples)

Free speech or rather Nazi moderation?

I would appreciate if the respective mod would reply here.

Atleast be straight and delete neither?
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August 22, 2016, 06:50:28 PM
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I didn't delete it but it's clearly an off topic personal attack and is only going to derail the thread. bryant.coleman is an ignorant xenophobic moron but there's no rule against being so and as long as he can conduct himself in a reasonable matter then he can post his opinion no matter how ignorant it may be. I wouldn't waste your time arguing with him to be honest though as you're not going to change his mind on anything and he wont listen to facts whilst just making up his own to suit his argument.

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August 22, 2016, 06:54:44 PM
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I didn't delete it but it's clearly an off topic personal attack and is only going to derail the thread. bryant.coleman is an ignorant xenophobic moron but there's no rule against being so and as long as he can conduct himself in a reasonable matter then he can post his opinion no matter how ignorant it may be. I wouldn't waste your time arguing with him to be honest though as you're not going to change his mind on anything and he wont listen to facts whilst just making up his own to suit his argument.

Why do we allow attacks on whole ethnicities (racism) but personal attacks are not allowed?

I could have add reasons to why he should kill himself or never procreate but I though it wasn't needed.

Or to be more precise if I added a bit more stuff linked to OP the post would be fine?

Ps: I know it is a fight against windmills, but sometimes it is really annoying to read such ridic lies.
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August 22, 2016, 09:19:43 PM
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What about Williams and Sharapova : it's not secret that black people are more powerful, they genes are different from white people.

BS. Black people are some of the weakest among the human races. Look at heavy-weight boxing and fighting sports such as Judo, MMA, Taekwondo.etc. There are some 2 billion blacks in this world compared to 0.5 billion whites. Still, it is the whites who dominate sports such as MMA, boxing, Judo, Karate, Fencing.etc.

You are so dumb and retarded please do something for humanities gene pool and kill yourself or atleast never procreate   Undecided


There are quite some people here on this forum who think non whites don't deserve to live or should be just slaves. Why are there post ok while this one of mine get deleted?
(This is actually one of the minor examples)

Free speech or rather Nazi moderation?

I would appreciate if the respective mod would reply here.

Atleast be straight and delete neither?

Don't know about history you two have, and i'm not taking sides, but in this particular example bryant.coleman was expressing an non-offensive opinion
and you (last deleted response) were totally over the limit with offensive and abusive language.

Don't know what was the reason for that , and don't care, but it shouldn't be allowed to talk like that here or anywhere else.
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August 22, 2016, 09:31:52 PM
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What about Williams and Sharapova : it's not secret that black people are more powerful, they genes are different from white people.

BS. Black people are some of the weakest among the human races. Look at heavy-weight boxing and fighting sports such as Judo, MMA, Taekwondo.etc. There are some 2 billion blacks in this world compared to 0.5 billion whites. Still, it is the whites who dominate sports such as MMA, boxing, Judo, Karate, Fencing.etc.

You are so dumb and retarded please do something for humanities gene pool and kill yourself or atleast never procreate   Undecided


There are quite some people here on this forum who think non whites don't deserve to live or should be just slaves. Why are there post ok while this one of mine get deleted?
(This is actually one of the minor examples)

Free speech or rather Nazi moderation?

I would appreciate if the respective mod would reply here.

Atleast be straight and delete neither?

Don't know about history you two have, and i'm not taking sides, but in this particular example bryant.coleman was expressing an non-offensive opinion
and you (last deleted response) were totally over the limit with offensive and abusive language.

Don't know what was the reason for that , and don't care, but it shouldn't be allowed to talk like that here or anywhere else.

His statement is a complete lie and I nicely (note the "please") asked him to suicide or never procreate because lies do not help anyone to advance forward.
And his record as a lier is magificient.
I could add scientific research that some genes seems to magnify the chances of being a lier (lying majority of your lifetime) and such genes should be deleted from our gene pool - but this probably goes too far.

All in all i don't see why his statement is not offensive in comparison to mine.


Ps: It seems you are not much a fan of free speech. Nvm I guess it is just about your post count for the sig campaign.

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August 22, 2016, 09:45:21 PM
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Don't know about history you two have, and i'm not taking sides, but in this particular example bryant.coleman was expressing an non-offensive opinion
and you (last deleted response) were totally over the limit with offensive and abusive language.

Don't know what was the reason for that , and don't care, but it shouldn't be allowed to talk like that here or anywhere else.

His statement is a complete lie and I nicely (note the "please") asked him to suicide or never procreate because lies do not help anyone to advance forward.
And his record as a lier is magificient.
I could add scientific research that some genes seems to magnify the chances of being a lier (lying majority of your lifetime) and such genes should be deleted from our gene pool - but this probably goes too far.

All in all i don't see why his statement is not offensive in comparison to mine.


Ps: It seems you are not much a fan of free speech. Nvm I guess it is just about your post count for the sig campaign.

There's nothing nice in what you have said, you only wrote those words to provoke hate, with no respect to effects that statement would have to person it was directed to.
You could add "scientific research" to whatever you want, the fact remains that you are out of line.

imho, his statement shouldn't be offensive to any rational person.

I am a very big fan of free speech actually, it's just that i don't like as*holes.
It's interesting how you try to attack me too when i don't agree with you. I'm guessing you do that every time you can't prove a point, so you try to discredit a person instead. (It's not working btw.)
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August 22, 2016, 09:57:46 PM
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I didn't delete it but it's clearly an off topic personal attack and is only going to derail the thread. bryant.coleman is an ignorant xenophobic moron but there's no rule against being so and as long as he can conduct himself in a reasonable matter then he can post his opinion no matter how ignorant it may be. I wouldn't waste your time arguing with him to be honest though as you're not going to change his mind on anything and he wont listen to facts whilst just making up his own to suit his argument.

Why do we allow attacks on whole ethnicities (racism) but personal attacks are not allowed?

I could have add reasons to why he should kill himself or never procreate but I though it wasn't needed.

Or to be more precise if I added a bit more stuff linked to OP the post would be fine?

Ps: I know it is a fight against windmills, but sometimes it is really annoying to read such ridic lies.
I'm all for not deleting it, even though I don't agree with his sentiment 100%.  Offensive speech is the speech that needs protection, though I know bct isn't the U.S. government.   It's offensive and you don't agree with it, but that's fucking life.  Suck it up and move on. 

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August 22, 2016, 10:43:56 PM
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I didn't delete it but it's clearly an off topic personal attack and is only going to derail the thread. bryant.coleman is an ignorant xenophobic moron but there's no rule against being so and as long as he can conduct himself in a reasonable matter then he can post his opinion no matter how ignorant it may be. I wouldn't waste your time arguing with him to be honest though as you're not going to change his mind on anything and he wont listen to facts whilst just making up his own to suit his argument.

Why do we allow attacks on whole ethnicities (racism) but personal attacks are not allowed?

I could have add reasons to why he should kill himself or never procreate but I though it wasn't needed.

Or to be more precise if I added a bit more stuff linked to OP the post would be fine?

Ps: I know it is a fight against windmills, but sometimes it is really annoying to read such ridic lies.
I'm all for not deleting it, even though I don't agree with his sentiment 100%.  Offensive speech is the speech that needs protection, though I know bct isn't the U.S. government.   It's offensive and you don't agree with it, but that's fucking life.  Suck it up and move on. 

My answer to his post was deleted.
I agree with you not to delete offensive stuff like racism from this forum but that also means not to delete my post.
It is about the principle.
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August 24, 2016, 01:10:20 AM
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You can be as offensive, stupid, brilliant etc. as you want as long as you stay on topic. If you're just resorting to personal attacks and (not even that indirectly) wishing someone to die you're not discussing anymore. So if that's your only contribution here than go off and fuck yourself.



It's all a balance and judgement is subjective and there's an huge gray area. I don't expect this post to be deleted since I am on the topic. Had I just written:

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You're just a fucking offensive cunt, go stick a fork in a wall socket

It would (should) have been removed. Use your common sense. The only "defense" is being a non native writer and writing something unintentionally offensive / off topic. In that case I suggest you improve your writing skill.


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August 24, 2016, 12:50:46 PM
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You can be as offensive, stupid, brilliant etc. as you want as long as you stay on topic. If you're just resorting to personal attacks and (not even that indirectly) wishing someone to die you're not discussing anymore. So if that's your only contribution here than go off and fuck yourself.



It's all a balance and judgement is subjective and there's an huge gray area. I don't expect this post to be deleted since I am on the topic. Had I just written:

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You're just a fucking offensive cunt, go stick a fork in a wall socket

It would (should) have been removed. Use your common sense. The only "defense" is being a non native writer and writing something unintentionally offensive / off topic. In that case I suggest you improve your writing skill.

I guess reading comprehension is not one of your strong points.
But it doesn't matter I already see how i need to reply a bit differently to not get such a post deleted.
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What about Williams and Sharapova : it's not secret that black people are more powerful, they genes are different from white people.

BS. Black people are some of the weakest among the human races. Look at heavy-weight boxing and fighting sports such as Judo, MMA, Taekwondo.etc. There are some 2 billion blacks in this world compared to 0.5 billion whites. Still, it is the whites who dominate sports such as MMA, boxing, Judo, Karate, Fencing.etc.

You are so dumb and retarded please do something for humanities gene pool and kill yourself or atleast never procreate   Undecided


There are quite some people here on this forum who think non whites don't deserve to live or should be just slaves. Why are there post ok while this one of mine get deleted?
(This is actually one of the minor examples)

Free speech or rather Nazi moderation?

I would appreciate if the respective mod would reply here.

Atleast be straight and delete neither?

In Section politics and society, members have not respect for the next.

see @saddampbuh what he did say:

give them another few billion years



he said that Africans are monkeys, I am African and I am not monkey.


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August 24, 2016, 07:18:56 PM
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I didn't delete it but it's clearly an off topic personal attack and is only going to derail the thread. bryant.coleman is an ignorant xenophobic moron but there's no rule against being so and as long as he can conduct himself in a reasonable matter then he can post his opinion no matter how ignorant it may be. I wouldn't waste your time arguing with him to be honest though as you're not going to change his mind on anything and he wont listen to facts whilst just making up his own to suit his argument.

Why do we allow attacks on whole ethnicities (racism) but personal attacks are not allowed?

I could have add reasons to why he should kill himself or never procreate but I though it wasn't needed.

Or to be more precise if I added a bit more stuff linked to OP the post would be fine?

Ps: I know it is a fight against windmills, but sometimes it is really annoying to read such ridic lies.
I'm all for not deleting it, even though I don't agree with his sentiment 100%.  Offensive speech is the speech that needs protection, though I know bct isn't the U.S. government.   It's offensive and you don't agree with it, but that's fucking life.  Suck it up and move on. 

My answer to his post was deleted.
I agree with you not to delete offensive stuff like racism from this forum but that also means not to delete my post.
It is about the principle.
I get it.  Ive had plenty of posts deleted,  but that's a minor annoyance at worst.  Just get over it and move on.  Some people are content to be racist assholes and there isn't much you can do.   

Christ that monkey pic is offensive, but I did laugh.  Hello to all the Africans in the house.

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August 24, 2016, 07:44:33 PM
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In Section politics and society, members have not respect for the next.

see @saddampbuh what he did say:

give them another few billion years



he said that Africans are monkeys, I am African and I am not monkey.

Sorry but i don't think you can compare that monkey post example with what op was debating about. I can see how some may get insulted by it, but that's a case of over sensitivity then imo.
We don't want to censor everything now, do we ?  

#leavethemonkeyalone #lmfao #sorry
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August 24, 2016, 09:40:23 PM
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In Section politics and society, members have not respect for the next.

see @saddampbuh what he did say:

give them another few billion years



he said that Africans are monkeys, I am African and I am not monkey.

Sorry but i don't think you can compare that monkey post example with what op was debating about. I can see how some may get insulted by it, but that's a case of over sensitivity then imo.
We don't want to censor everything now, do we ? 

#leavethemonkeyalone #lmfao #sorry



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Last edit: August 25, 2016, 10:01:25 PM by erikalui
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There was a difference in what you said and what bryant said. Though the later was a racist comment, your post was off-topic and just a personal attack and then the corresponding replies also would be off topic. Racism (although a crime), is not considered against the rules and his post (although meaningless and hurtful) was on topic.

This is why I hate that entire section where people just bash religions and are mostly racists.


Edit: I read the thread and hence I replied as you are constantly arguing about your comment being deleted as bryant's reply wasn't deleted and talk about "principle". And well, I will be removing this sig as well next week when my campaign ends and still my reply would be the same if I had posted next week too. It's basically you feel that since you don't have a sig, you can post off topic posts and ask people to commit suicide? Well, another rule is that posting back-to-back posts as well isn't allowed  Roll Eyes Nevermind....




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August 25, 2016, 08:35:10 PM
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There was a difference in what you said and what bryant said. Though the later was a racist comment, your post was off-topic and just a personal attack and then the corresponding replies also would be off topic. Racism (although a crime), is not considered against the rules and his post (although meaningless and hurtful) was on topic.

This is why I hate that entire section where people just bash religions and are mostly racists.

please reread the whole thread and reply again.

i notice a pattern: i only say this to users with a sig campaign.  Roll Eyes

and there is even only 1 page right now. wtf.
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August 25, 2016, 08:52:41 PM
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Don't know about history you two have, and i'm not taking sides, but in this particular example bryant.coleman was expressing an non-offensive opinion
and you (last deleted response) were totally over the limit with offensive and abusive language.

Don't know what was the reason for that , and don't care, but it shouldn't be allowed to talk like that here or anywhere else.

His statement is a complete lie and I nicely (note the "please") asked him to suicide or never procreate because lies do not help anyone to advance forward.
And his record as a lier is magificient.
I could add scientific research that some genes seems to magnify the chances of being a lier (lying majority of your lifetime) and such genes should be deleted from our gene pool - but this probably goes too far.

All in all i don't see why his statement is not offensive in comparison to mine.


Ps: It seems you are not much a fan of free speech. Nvm I guess it is just about your post count for the sig campaign.

There's nothing nice in what you have said, you only wrote those words to provoke hate, with no respect to effects that statement would have to person it was directed to.
You could add "scientific research" to whatever you want, the fact remains that you are out of line.

imho, his statement shouldn't be offensive to any rational person.

I am a very big fan of free speech actually, it's just that i don't like as*holes.
It's interesting how you try to attack me too when i don't agree with you. I'm guessing you do that every time you can't prove a point, so you try to discredit a person instead. (It's not working btw.)

Where did i attack you? You are the one telling me that i'm an asshole.
Im just pointing out that you are a sig-spammer (i know that the truth can sometimes hurt).

Free speech means that people can say everything they want until they damage the physical integrity of respective person.


Btw i dont need to try to discredit you - everyone with half a brain can see that you are one of the dumb penny sig spammers.
You are not even half as smart as you think you are. And yes scientific research is agreeing with me.


PS: @Bryant If you suicided because i asked you to do so, im a bit sorry Roll Eyes


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August 26, 2016, 12:26:09 AM
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Free speech means that people can say everything they want until they damage the physical integrity of respective person.

You're putting a restriction on Free Speech that doesn't exist on this forum. There are restrictions here ("doxing", "off topic" and "spamming" for example). But damaging the physical integrity is not one of them.

If you want to be an obnoxious person than you're free to do so. The topic of this discussion is "How offensive can a post be". I think that question has been answered. What do you actually want from this thread?

Btw i dont need to try to discredit you ...

... everyone with half a brain can see that you are one of the dumb penny sig spammers.
You are not even half as smart as you think you are.

Wait, what?

And yes scientific research is agreeing with me.

A quick lookup shows there have indeed been some studies that suggest an hereditary component to lying. However the consensus is still that lying is a behavioral study. In short, science is not agreeing with you.


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This issue dependes only on the Conscience & Respect of members => the Conscience is to find ideas to give instead of expressing emotions by bad words & the Respect is to accept difference and others' points of view.

Else, if we demand the intervention of moderators, all the site will lose its sense by becoming under a dominance of individual opinions... So, progressively replies will be banned => then, topics and members.

This guides to more obvious topic : Limits of expression's liberty
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August 26, 2016, 04:26:39 PM
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The trick is to avoid Politics & Society. Wink


I didn't delete it but it's clearly an off topic personal attack and is only going to derail the thread.

I know there is no specific policy but if there is, are on topic personal attacks tolerated? (On threads in Meta, Reputation, Scam accusation)



What about Williams and Sharapova : it's not secret that black people are more powerful, they genes are different from white people.

BS. Black people are some of the weakest among the human races. Look at heavy-weight boxing and fighting sports such as Judo, MMA, Taekwondo.etc. There are some 2 billion blacks in this world compared to 0.5 billion whites. Still, it is the whites who dominate sports such as MMA, boxing, Judo, Karate, Fencing.etc.

You are so dumb and retarded please do something for humanities gene pool and kill yourself or atleast never procreate   Undecided


Let us analyze that:

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You are so dumb and retarded

One of the most popular phrases at bitcointalk. Allowed!


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please do something for humanities gene pool

A polite request for the better good! Allowed


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kill yourself

Uh oh.

OgNasty said that and there is a thread.
Vod said that and there is a longer thread.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1589940.0

Apparently, if the comment gets popular that post won't be removed.

You should avoid saying that anyway. At the moderator's discretion
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