Trump or Clinton: Does it matter?

[Masha Sha]

Yes, it matter.
Hillary Clinton is much more qualified for this position, she will not lead aggressive and dangerous foreign policy, accept dictators, create walls between Mexico and USA etc.
Trump is much more actor than politician.
He acting all the time and manipulate media and voters a lot.
He don't have quality of good leader and will divide country and the world, in the case he win election.

LoL you are such a joke... Reader of haretz?

*Why is she more qualified? What has she done apart establishing one of the most successful criminal franchise in the world? You know trump buildings didn't spring of the earth like Moses water...

*How do you know her policy? What she will be able to do? You know that all she did is known in the pentagon... All of it. On the other side trump seems more receptive to information and able to process it in an efficient way. At least he roots for America.

*lol about your comment and dictator... Hillary's fundation has accepted money from who ever was willing or for whom it was necessary to pay. She is the absolute whoretrash. Furthermore she is proud to have freed a child rapist she knew was guilty. O remorse about it.

* so walls are good for isreal, but not America? It's forbidden for the American people to know who enter and who leaves America? It should be wide open with no border control? You know the one law for Jews and one for the others has 0 success to be reality in the world... I introduce Russia, China and the American patriots... Time to comeback to reality zealot.

* trump is much more business than actor... Your pumped bimbo is the real joke, worldwide. Only an ennemy of America could root for hrc. Look at what she did to Bernie the foollakesidehome?

*ahh I see a world United... No thanks. The UNITED STATES of AMERICA share a common federal constitution and bill of rights that give the maximum amount of freedom worldwide. Happily business men like trump were able to flourish there (Apple has more cash than the entire Russian military budget ) and was able to afford $ domination and the widest military force ever recorded in human history. Expressly and by design to defend the UNITED STATES of AMERICA against all foreign and domestic ennemies in a preemptive forward basis. Liberty and freedom in actions. Trump by managing his companies has proved that he can be an effective leader of the country, he can stand his ground.

So frankly you have a mental problem or what to not see the greatest United States of America ever! You know it's not because the USA get better that you (or isreal) get weaker. You have a very skewed perception of reality or are a domestic enemy. Typical of Haretz reader and pusher. You know the global socialist international was a program of the Soviet Union to weaken and defeat the capitalist world... And like alqeeda it took a life of his own (only diff is that the ideology of supremacist Islam is way way more older, while global international socialism is very recent in comparison).

The concept that 'it doesn't matter' is, I believe, a fairly well thought out and coordinated program of 'demoralization.'

That said, it really hasn't mattered very much for about 50 years.  Although the head of the executive does have enormous power, and especially so since the Cheney administration, we've been given a 'choice' between two of the same thing by the oligarchy.  Basically we've had the choice between who the oligarchy actually wants, and an alternative choke artist which they would be happy to have if we 'voted wrong.'  Normally we don't 'vote wrong' and when we do by some small margin (e.g., Cheney v. Gore) it has been easy to make a real-time 'correction'.

[Not that the oligarchy is exactly monolithic.  Some surely would have preferred Gore and an effort to solidify global govt at that time, but it probably would have proven premature.  Not enough foundation yet constructed.  Cheney's 'new american century' was a better plan.  It utilized the U.S.'s strong global position to strengthen and consolidate resources into the hands of the dominant set of oligarchs prior to 'the event.']

I continue to hold that there is a decent possibility that 'Trump is different' and this election is unique in modern times.  Unfortunately there is no way to really know until after the fact.

I also continue to hold that there is no way that the oligarchy will let Trump in if he is for real.  The loss of investment (of various types) would be impalpable to them and they are not used to losing.  The core of the oligarchy will do whatever it takes to make sure that doesn't happen.  If somehow Trump (or someone like him) take over he'll have to deal with a scorched earth.  Potentially literally.

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As for Clinton, it is clear to me that she has nothing but disdain for 'the people' generally.  Imagine what must go on in her brain-damaged mind when Trump holds a rally and gets 10,000 people in a stadium while she has one the same day and gets 300 in a high school gym.  But-hurt wouldn't begin to describe what she must feel.  The woman is so awful and vindictive that I plan to batten down the hatches if she is successfully installed and will be ready to get the hell out of Dodge.  It won't be pretty.

There is a high chance that trump is different! Would be great to give him a chance... The old mamy almost to sick to care for her grandkids should really stop her act. Enough with the Clinton, what ever her foreign backers think.

They better be aware the us forces will not surrender the USA so easily... It could even be a trap .

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[bryant.coleman]

If Clinton is elected, I fear that she will start a war with Iran. What's sure is that Trump would be a lot more effective in dealing with ISIS than Clinton.

Attempted invasions of Iran and North Korea would be like the tip of an iceberg. I believe that her main targets are Russia and China. Let's see how far she gets with her plans. Even a war with Iran could potentially bankrupt the United States and the NATO. Regarding the ISIS, I believe that Trump is more effective, simply because Hitlery was one of the masterminds behind its creation.

[Slow death]

...Hillary Clinton has already done all that and will do much worse once she is President.

I do not doubt it

... Hillary has a greater influence on the media and manipulates the crap out of her voters, she is more corrupt and richer than Trump.

For these reasons, I believe that Hitlery will be the next president of America. unfortunately

Trump only talks about it,

this is the trump error, it is very sincere, he says what he thinks.

[bryant.coleman]

... Hillary has a greater influence on the media and manipulates the crap out of her voters, she is more corrupt and richer than Trump.

For these reasons, I believe that Hitlery will be the next president of America. unfortunately

Apart from this, there are a variety of factors which are currently working on her favor. Some of them are:

1. The Ukrainian-American community, which has traditionally voted Republican till now, has turned against Trump due to his closeness to Russia.
2. RINOs are encouraging grassroot Republicans to vote for Hitlery.
3. Feminists are against Trump and there is a huge gender gap in the opinion polls.
4. Demographics are working against Trump. There will be more African American and Hispanic voters, compared to the 2012 elections.
5. Mormons are not going to vote for Trump.

[tvbcof]

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Apart from this, there are a variety of factors which are currently working on her favor. Some of them are:

1. The Ukrainian-American community, which has traditionally voted Republican till now, has turned against Trump due to his closeness to Russia.
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I've known a number of Unkrainians over the years who worked in the tech sector in CA.  Most (and maybe all) were Russian speaking.

I will say that even these Russian speaking ones seemed to have no love lost for Russia.  But this was some years ago and I've lost contact with all of them since the overthrow of the pro-Russian leader which seems (and correct me if I'm wrong) to be an no small part the handiwork of the Soros affiliated groups, and the subsequent damage which seems to have fallen disproportionately on the Russian speaking community.

It seems to me that a fair number of 'Ukrainians' here might have had their hatred of Russia dulled somewhat by events that transpired since they hauled ass out of the place when compared to the alternatives.

Beyond that, it seems to me and I think others that Trump's 'closeness' with Russia is largely due to wishing to avoid a nuclear WW-III.  As Assange points out, Trump (unlike the Clintons) did poorly in business dealings with Russia which casts doubt on how 'tight' his relationship with the leadership machinery actually is.  Some segment of the Ukrainian diaspora here must see things similarly.

Since I no longer have Ukrainian contacts who are close enough to reach out to (this being not the most critical area of research in my life), I would be interested in your take on my hypothesis here.

[bryant.coleman]

Since I no longer have Ukrainian contacts who are close enough to reach out to (this being not the most critical area of research in my life), I would be interested in your take on my hypothesis here.

There are two groups of Ukrainian Americans. The first group consists of the immigrants and their descendants, who arrived in the US prior to 1950. The second group consists of of the immigrants and their descendants, who arrived in the United States after the breakup of the USSR. The first group is more "Americanized" than the second group, and their foreign policy is in somewhat sync with those of the US government. Trump is having issues with the first group. 

[tvbcof]

Since I no longer have Ukrainian contacts who are close enough to reach out to (this being not the most critical area of research in my life), I would be interested in your take on my hypothesis here.

There are two groups of Ukrainian Americans. The first group consists of the immigrants and their descendants, who arrived in the US prior to 1950. The second group consists of of the immigrants and their descendants, who arrived in the United States after the breakup of the USSR. The first group is more "Americanized" than the second group, and their foreign policy is in somewhat sync with those of the US government. Trump is having issues with the first group. 

Thx.  That is enlightening.  I actually had not even considered immigrants since before the fall of the Soviet Union or thereabouts since the later cohort are the only group that I had first-hand experience with.  I lived in the ratified environment of Si-V (and never the 'Deer Hunter' rust belt or whatever.)   I won't argue that the older group has numbers which even factor in since I don't know, but I assumed they did not and/or were so well 'Americanized' by this point that their political preferences more-or-less mapped to the population at large.

[Spendulus]

If Clinton is elected, I fear that she will start a war with Iran. What's sure is that Trump would be a lot more effective in dealing with ISIS than Clinton.

..... Hitlery was one of the masterminds ....

Impossible tha she could thus be..

[Racey]

I know this is not related to the thread, but important to see this article, could be just scaremongering, and I do not know the reputation of the website, it just may be hot air, any truth in this at all, if so something big is going down.

http://conservative-daily.com/2016/08/31/breaking-news-obama-atf-announces-backdoor-ammo-ban/

Maybe this is related to the ammunition ban.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/homeland-eyes-special-declaration-to-take-charge-of-elections/article/2600592

[awesome31312]

I know this is not related to the thread, but important to see this article, could be just scaremongering, and I do not know the reputation of the website, it just may be hot air, any truth in this at all, if so something big is going down.

http://conservative-daily.com/2016/08/31/breaking-news-obama-atf-announces-backdoor-ammo-ban/

Maybe this is related to the ammunition ban.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/homeland-eyes-special-declaration-to-take-charge-of-elections/article/2600592

Every single time Obama gives a speech on gun control, weapons stocks prices increase. He has got to own shares in those weapon stocks, it's the only thing that makes any sense.

[Racey]

^
I am thinking about this statement

A key ingredient necessary for making gunpowder has been re-classified as a high explosive, making it illegal for any company within the industry to transport or store it as they have for decades.

No ammo right, Homeland gonna rig the vote right.

People want to fight back? when your own ammo runs out, nothing to replace it with.
Maybe I looking at this like a conspiracist and I am wrong, I just see a weird connection to this.

[BADecker]

^
I am thinking about this statement

A key ingredient necessary for making gunpowder has been re-classified as a high explosive, making it illegal for any company within the industry to transport or store it as they have for decades.

No ammo right, Homeland gonna rig the vote right.

People want to fight back? when your own ammo runs out, nothing to replace it with.
Maybe I looking at this like a conspiracist and I am wrong, I just see a weird connection to this.

The answer to the ammo problem is, when the company wants to transport it, simply sell it to one of their employees, who transports it personally. The Constitution and Bill of Rights keeps transportation of personal property from being denied. Then sell it on the other end.

This also bypasses a lot of interstate transportation taxes, because transporting personal property over State lines can't be taxed easily.

[awesome31312]

^
I am thinking about this statement

A key ingredient necessary for making gunpowder has been re-classified as a high explosive, making it illegal for any company within the industry to transport or store it as they have for decades.

No ammo right, Homeland gonna rig the vote right.

People want to fight back? when your own ammo runs out, nothing to replace it with.
Maybe I looking at this like a conspiracist and I am wrong, I just see a weird connection to this.

Then you know it's time to order ammo from Mexico, courtesy of the Silk Road (whichever version is currently being used right now, LOL).

[siti25]

Hillary Clinton. I see something better,  something can make US better.
As a woman,  she can be a motivator for the girls around the world that a woman can be someone.
Woman can be a leader, woman can lead a big country.

[groll]

Trump on how he speaks reminds me of the now president of the Philippines Duterte.  They are both tough talking without a brake on every words they said even it could be used against them.  Sometimes those people who are expressive are the one you could really trust.  They must be harsh with their words but if you look at it and realize that, yes, it is true, it is the way to do it, it is how should be done.  On the otherhand, Mrs. Clinton is a politician so we know how she will do it on the office. 

[awesome31312]

Trump on how he speaks reminds me of the now president of the Philippines Duterte.  They are both tough talking without a brake on every words they said even it could be used against them.  Sometimes those people who are expressive are the one you could really trust.  They must be harsh with their words but if you look at it and realize that, yes, it is true, it is the way to do it, it is how should be done.  On the otherhand, Mrs. Clinton is a politician so we know how she will do it on the office. 

Are you implying that Donald Trump is "not" a politician? That's actually pretty funny.

[Tyrantt]

Hillary Clinton. I see something better,  something can make US better.
As a woman,  she can be a motivator for the girls around the world that a woman can be someone.
Woman can be a leader, woman can lead a big country.

I don't think so, just being a woman isn't enough. What happened to Brazil? Croatia isn't flourishing either...

As a woman,  she can be a motivator for the girls around the world that a woman can be someone.

What? Like there are no great women throughout history? That's retarded, fuck Clintons.

[Spendulus]

Hillary Clinton. I see something better,  something can make US better.
As a woman,  she can be a motivator for the girls around the world that a woman can be someone.
Woman can be a leader, woman can lead a big country.

You mean, how to motivate the girls to lie cheat and steal?

[awesome31312]

Hillary Clinton. I see something better,  something can make US better.
As a woman,  she can be a motivator for the girls around the world that a woman can be someone.
Woman can be a leader, woman can lead a big country.

You mean, how to motivate the girls to lie cheat and steal?

Sending a message to all the little girls around the globe: If you are ever molested by Bill Clinton, he will go free!**

**If not, Hillary will defend him in court and let 'im walk free, then brag about it in her books

More lessons from Clinton to little girls:

* If you have close ties with Wall Street executives and a track record of corruption, you too, can become a President some day, while facing FBI Investigation!

* One day you, too, can become President, if my foreign policy hasn't bombed you to pieces already though

* Accused of a crime? Call everybody a sexist, this will automatically refute all their points.

[xavier77]

Clinton is sly, lies to the public, is racist and a pseudo-feminist. She really can ruin America.
Trump is sly, but tells his plans boldly. He is racist too. Both are wasting Government's money.
Are americans fool? Who made the comedians popular?
One argues over 10k emails, one argues over his company's loans