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September 06, 2016, 06:51:53 PM
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So many coins now claim they are anonymous with many different ones saying they are the first ones to do so. What are the real anonymous coins we have now. Are any 100% anonymous and untraceable?
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September 06, 2016, 07:12:42 PM
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So many coins now claim they are anonymous with many different ones saying they are the first ones to do so. What are the real anonymous coins we have now. Are any 100% anonymous and untraceable?

none.
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September 06, 2016, 07:17:22 PM
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So many coins now claim they are anonymous with many different ones saying they are the first ones to do so. What are the real anonymous coins we have now. Are any 100% anonymous and untraceable?

That question doesn't make sense.  Imagine that you are alone on this world with your family, and that *everybody else* is part of a big single enemy entity (the super state and most citizens are also their spies - somewhat like former Eastern Germany, but on steroids).  No single cryptographic system can ever be "totally anonymous", as the computer or smartphone you buy from just anybody is loaded, every single communication you make with "the outside world" is with your enemy and every keystroke you make is registered through those loaded devices.  The partners you think you are anonymously dealing with are one and the same cooperating enemy and they all know of course that it is you because all other communication is known to the enemy as it is theirs.  

This extreme example of "you are alone and all the others are part of one big conspiring enemy against you" shows you that there's no such thing as 100% anonymous and untraceable, because it should then be applicable in that extreme case too and obviously, it can't, whatever it is.

So there's no such thing as "100% anonymous" in ALL cases.

So you have to say in what cases you want your anonymity to work because obviously it is not going to work always.  The cases you enumerate are then your "threat model".  
You also have to know that cryptocurrencies are usually NOT taking into account certain evident threats, such as compromised hardware.  You can have the best cryptographic system in the world, if you run it on compromised hardware, the enemy can probably do and know everything you do and know on that machine, including passwords, secret keys and everything.  This is probably the biggest, and most realistic, threat to anonymity: compromised hardware.  If you buy your hardware from the enemy (that could be just as well a company like Apple or Dell), you are probably already done.  If you buy hardware containing *components* made by the enemy (that could be Intel or AMD), you might already be done.  If you have system software made by your enemy, you are done.

So once you have excluded all these realistic threats from your threat model, because they are not potentially your enemies (imagine you work for the US government, then Intel and Apple will not be part of your enemies), or because you "take the risk and accept it", you start considering the cryptographic part.

If you already accepted a 5% risk on this part, there's no point requiring a 0.0001% risk or less on the crypto part, is there ?

You should hence think of your question in this light: what is my threat model (what kind of attacks and enemies am I facing) ?  Where do I accept to take risks *because I know that the solutions I'm using are not entirely protecting me* ?
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September 06, 2016, 07:22:08 PM
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Keep off the drugs my friend.


My end privacy is of course an issue but I want to know about the actual transaction, if it is traceable etc.
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September 06, 2016, 07:23:33 PM
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So many coins now claim they are anonymous with many different ones saying they are the first ones to do so. What are the real anonymous coins we have now. Are any 100% anonymous and untraceable?

none.



Really? Dash, Monero, shadow cash, vcash,   None of them?
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September 06, 2016, 07:30:56 PM
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I think bitcoin may still be considered truly anonymous if mixed/tubled properly  Grin
Monero is claiming to be more anonymous than bitcoin but it may take few more months to prove that claim.

 
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September 06, 2016, 07:35:40 PM
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Then why do anonymous coins have such high market cap when their main feature doesn't work?

There is so much competition and slander in this area of crypto is hard to work out what's true and what's BS.
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September 06, 2016, 07:41:09 PM
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So many coins now claim they are anonymous with many different ones saying they are the first ones to do so. What are the real anonymous coins we have now. Are any 100% anonymous and untraceable?

none.



Really? Dash, Monero, shadow cash, vcash,   None of them?

Using "100%" in your sentence is the main problem here.

You can use "100%" only when you have proof about it. If i cant trace your transaction to someone that doesn't mean i have proof one coin is 100% untraceable.  I just have proof it is untraceable  over my ability to trace your transactions.


Bitcoin transaction is not  100% secure. There can be 51% attack and many others. But in generally that dont really happen. So you can say BTC transactiosn are secure. But you can not say are 100% secure.
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September 06, 2016, 08:58:50 PM
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Check this out: https://moneroforcash.com/monero-vs-dash-vs-zcash-vs-bitcoinmixers.php

As always, do your own research. The link above has many links to others sources and is a good place to start. Note that this comparison does not include Bitcoin since Bitcoin is not and has never claimed to be anonymous. It does compare Bitcoin mixers to other privacy-centered coins, just not Bitcoin itself.

Comparison of Privacy-Centric Coins: https://moneroforcash.com/monero-vs-dash-vs-zcash-vs-bitcoinmixers.php also includes Verge and Pivx
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September 06, 2016, 09:16:06 PM
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So many coins now claim they are anonymous with many different ones saying they are the first ones to do so. What are the real anonymous coins we have now. Are any 100% anonymous and untraceable?

These reasons are why all anon fails.

Your IP address is not anon,
Your Browser info is not anon,
Your Email Address is not anon,
Your Bank Account which you linked is not anon,
Your address where you mailed or received goods is not anon,
there are no guarantees the person that did business with you did not sell your identifiable information.

All anon solutions will fail til they can solve all of the above.

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September 07, 2016, 02:54:06 AM
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Thanks everyone for answering a question I didn't actually ask.


Is it so hard for people to put aside their agenda to answer a fucking question. I asked about the actual transaction nothing about IP addresses and postal addresses...damn. Did you think I thought a crypto currency would magically make my home address disappear? And who said anything about using a bank account?
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September 07, 2016, 04:31:16 AM
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So many coins now claim they are anonymous with many different ones saying they are the first ones to do so. What are the real anonymous coins we have now. Are any 100% anonymous and untraceable?

These reasons are why all anon fails.

Your IP address is not anon,
Your Browser info is not anon,
Your Email Address is not anon,
Your Bank Account which you linked is not anon,
Your address where you mailed or received goods is not anon,
there are no guarantees the person that did business with you did not sell your identifiable information.

All anon solutions will fail til they can solve all of the above.

 Cool


But surely there is a way to circumvent them? Use a VPN that does not log your activity, use Tor or I2P, use a darknet email or a fake email, stop using banks and use only bitcoin, and then get a PO box. I know there will be holes where the authorities could catch you but if you are careful and keep track of your anonymity religiously you can do it.

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September 07, 2016, 05:03:48 AM
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Thanks everyone for answering a question I didn't actually ask.


Is it so hard for people to put aside their agenda to answer a fucking question. I asked about the actual transaction nothing about IP addresses and postal addresses...damn. Did you think I thought a crypto currency would magically make my home address disappear? And who said anything about using a bank account?

Re: Can someone really explain which coins are truly anonymous?

Hey ASSHAT,
NONE OF THEM!

A BTC Mixer is just as safe as Monero, because neither is truly safe.
If you don't want an honest answer , be sure to Place Lie to Me in your Topic Title Next Time  Tongue


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September 07, 2016, 05:13:14 AM
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Thanks everyone for answering a question I didn't actually ask.

Is it so hard for people to put aside their agenda to answer a fucking question. I asked about the actual transaction nothing about IP addresses and postal addresses...damn. Did you think I thought a crypto currency would magically make my home address disappear? And who said anything about using a bank account?

Then your question has been answered already...
Didn't you read this?


Really? Dash, Monero, shadow cash, vcash,   None of them?

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September 07, 2016, 05:17:52 AM
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most here in cryptoland are too.... well ....how do i say it all subtle like Huh....  ignorant, to see the anon ability is more about the user then the coin/platform.

 
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September 07, 2016, 05:20:35 AM
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But surely there is a way to circumvent them? Use a VPN that does not log your activity, use Tor or I2P, use a darknet email or a fake email, stop using banks and use only bitcoin, and then get a PO box. I know there will be holes where the authorities could catch you but if you are careful and keep track of your anonymity religiously you can do it.

VPN are Traceable, Tor has been compromised ,
To even Buy a Large Volume of BTC requires your ID, the exchanges track you.
PO boxes required multiple forms of ID including Photo.

What about the fact you are all living in a Police State / World , do you not comprehend.
Everything warned about in the Books 1984 & Brave New World has either already happen or happening as we type.

These Systems were engineer from the very beginning to Spy on you.
Internet protocol was designed by ARPANET but funded by Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA)
Tor was designed by U.S. Naval Intelligence

The only way to circumvent a system designed to track you is not to use it when you don't want to be tracked.  Tongue

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September 07, 2016, 05:23:14 AM
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ok i'll try, these are honest answers whether or not you're happy with them.

So many coins now claim they are anonymous with many different ones saying they are the first ones to do so.

many, i haven't had time to coin but ones i've heard of atleast 10 (but there is probably more i've not bothered reading into).

What are the real anonymous coins we have now.

there are none.

Are any 100% anonymous and untraceable?

no.
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September 07, 2016, 05:36:43 AM
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Some replies here are such bullshit. Not everyone lives in the US under the NSA. Of course if the coin is untraceable you can send end to end anonymously. Walk into any PC room in Asia and send for one thing. You sad sack of Yankee fucks.
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September 07, 2016, 05:48:05 AM
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There is nothing sure in real life but which coin is anonynymous in most percent?
And why?

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September 07, 2016, 05:49:38 AM
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So many coins now claim they are anonymous with many different ones saying they are the first ones to do so. What are the real anonymous coins we have now. Are any 100% anonymous and untraceable?

These reasons are why all anon fails.

Your IP address is not anon,
Your Browser info is not anon,
Your Email Address is not anon,
Your Bank Account which you linked is not anon,
Your address where you mailed or received goods is not anon,
there are no guarantees the person that did business with you did not sell your identifiable information.

All anon solutions will fail til they can solve all of the above.

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And the answering is none because some coins just claiming if they're more anonymous just becoming their magical word for making the people is believe with them, and i think you're right never there are a things can fixing that. LOL

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