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March 30, 2013, 09:42:02 PM |
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I think the fact that MPOE lost that much money in a month and is solvent and paying all parties as contractually agreed is hugely relevant and hugely impressive.
Sorry for the month of losses, MPOE, but thank you for doing it properly. It deserves respect.
Just the way the cookie crumbles. I am under the impression MPOE has moved the entire risk on the bonds to the bond holders with their auctioning system, shielding themselves (and equity holders) from any and all losses. If this is inaccurate I retract my statement.
But read the March statement, have you? I recall BS&T being just about BTC500k. (Although that's coming purely from memory and I wouldn't be able to cite a source  ) That's the maximal estimate, but we don't know exactly how much of that was really it. Anyone's guess by this point. Congrats to the MPEx team for providing such an incredible level of liquidity in the options market. The MPOE bot provides such an important service to the bitcoin finance community. I'm happy to see that despite the steep losses this month, all contracts were honored without even the whiff of a 'glitch', 'hiccup', or 'hack'.
mircea_popescu> $mpexlag
<mpexbot> 0.110319137573 seconds I guess it's time to add "Buy 1 million" buttons. |
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deadweasel
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March 31, 2013, 11:27:58 AM |
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Congrats to the MPEx team for providing such an incredible level of liquidity in the options market. The MPOE bot provides such an important service to the bitcoin finance community. I'm happy to see that despite the steep losses this month, all contracts were honored without even the whiff of a 'glitch', 'hiccup', or 'hack'.
Not enough can be said about this. I have seen no other BTC business take a loss this size without boarding up shop and ignoring bondholders. This is barely even a bump in the road. |
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March 31, 2013, 09:05:06 PM |
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I don't have time to analyze this options system deeply, but the apparent (due to email trading system) lack of real-time feed means to me lack of transparency. So maybe the "100% security" is a loss leader.  No accusations, just no time to find out if what I am worried about above is true or not. Yeah liquidity is important. Yeah capital formation is important. Yeah math is important. But involving with people who write on their website that they want to kill all idiots, is dangerous for me. Sorry. (not to mention it is mathematically myopic, how can their be higher IQ if there is not lower IQ, i.e. how can you see black without white. Contrast is required for perception and being smart on one issue doesn't make one smart on all issues, we need diversity) If anyone finds themselves being ignored by me, they should refer to this post as to a possible reason why. |
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March 31, 2013, 10:47:39 PM |
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I don't have time to analyze this options system deeply, but the apparent (due to email trading system) lack of real-time feed means to me lack of transparency. So maybe the "100% security" is a loss leader. No accusations, just no time to find out if what I am worried about above is true or not. Yeah liquidity is important. Yeah capital formation is important. Yeah math is important. But involving with people who write on their website that they want to kill all idiots, is dangerous for me. Sorry. (not to mention it is mathematically myopic, how can their be higher IQ if there is not lower IQ, i.e. how can you see black without white. Contrast is required for perception and being smart on one issue doesn't make one smart on all issues, we need diversity) If anyone finds themselves being ignored by me, they should refer to this post as to a possible reason why. The options trades stream on #bitcoin-assets and on twitter dude. Also are you aware that there is a website called MPEx and a functioning liquid market on it? The email based system was last relevant over a year ago. I dont think anyone will notice nor care about you ignoring them. |
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MPOE-PR (OP)
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April 01, 2013, 02:06:35 AM |
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I don't have time to analyze this options system deeply, but the apparent (due to email trading system) lack of real-time feed means to me lack of transparency. So maybe the "100% security" is a loss leader. No accusations, just no time to find out if what I am worried about above is true or not. Yeah liquidity is important. Yeah capital formation is important. Yeah math is important. But involving with people who write on their website that they want to kill all idiots, is dangerous for me. Sorry. (not to mention it is mathematically myopic, how can their be higher IQ if there is not lower IQ, i.e. how can you see black without white. Contrast is required for perception and being smart on one issue doesn't make one smart on all issues, we need diversity) If anyone finds themselves being ignored by me, they should refer to this post as to a possible reason why. Always good to proceed superficially if you don't have the time to do anything else. At the very least it will keep you occupied. |
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AnonyMint
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April 01, 2013, 07:30:47 AM |
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The options trades stream on #bitcoin-assets and on twitter dude.
Also are you aware that there is a website called MPEx and a functioning liquid market on it? The email based system was last relevant over a year ago.
Like anyone could figure this out easily. Simply didn't have time to dig for more than 30 minutes. A FAQ that was more direct to the point on the key aspects, with less reverse psychology preaching would be a nice start. Always good to proceed superficially if you don't have the time to do anything else. At the very least it will keep you occupied.
Always good to use reverse psychology. There is such a thing as skimming on the chance it might be 80/20 and then bailing once it is vaguely clear it is probably not. |
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April 01, 2013, 04:49:26 PM |
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A FAQ that was more direct to the point on the key aspects, with less reverse psychology preaching would be a nice start.
Let me cut you a deal: if you can find the time to sprout bs like the above quoted, you HAVE to also take the time to make the case for it. Conversely, if you limit yourself to making the case you don't even have to sprout the bullshit. So, what preaching and what key aspects are you on about? More importantly: once you've done something stupid (like you have, above), the solution is never to pretend like what you did wasn't really stupid if only people took in more of some particular context, like for instance the fact that you're a nice guy or whatever. The solution always is to admit (publicly, preferably) that what you did was stupid and (this is the important part) take palliative measures immediately. I know that traditionally the failed approach receives no punishment and so the consumer mindset has become to take that way out as if it were acceptable. It is not acceptable and it won't work. |
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Peter Lambert
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April 01, 2013, 07:35:04 PM |
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I recall BS&T being just about BTC500k. (Although that's coming purely from memory and I wouldn't be able to cite a source ) I think it was estimated at 500k btc of account balances after compounding at 7% for several weeks, not that he actually had that much. Not that I would know, I never invested in that (or any of the things invested in it). |
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April 02, 2013, 01:42:55 AM |
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There is no way to tell if it wasnt a massive case of insider trading using a fake account to bleed the profits from bondholders |
I landed in this country with $2.50 in cash and $1 million in hopes, and those hopes never left me.
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April 02, 2013, 01:43:30 AM |
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I recall BS&T being just about BTC500k. (Although that's coming purely from memory and I wouldn't be able to cite a source ) I think it was estimated at 500k btc of account balances after compounding at 7% for several weeks, not that he actually had that much. Not that I would know, I never invested in that (or any of the things invested in it). No you are usually the one running the ponzi. |
I landed in this country with $2.50 in cash and $1 million in hopes, and those hopes never left me.
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MPOE-PR (OP)
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April 02, 2013, 10:53:48 AM |
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There is no way to tell if it wasnt a massive case of insider trading using a fake account to bleed the profits from bondholders Actually there is, seeing how the trades ticker. |
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Atruk
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April 02, 2013, 11:33:23 AM |
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Congrats to the MPEx team for providing such an incredible level of liquidity in the options market. The MPOE bot provides such an important service to the bitcoin finance community. I'm happy to see that despite the steep losses this month, all contracts were honored without even the whiff of a 'glitch', 'hiccup', or 'hack'.
Sure, take a seat near the carriage. Amazing how Mircea managed to keep the traders whole on thier options without resorting to "insurance" |
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