✅ɃETCOIN.AG - POKER CLOSING - 42 BTC BBJP??? ✅

[TwitchySeal]

I don't know how this stuff works, but found this list as one of their top linked sources:

http://ip-173-201-142-193.ip.secureserver.net/Alexa/Alexa_28.html

pretty close on the list...

141908   betsoftgaming.com
142221   betcoin.ag

They don't have connection but both are not paying jackpot. Betsoft is a casino game supplier which offers various casino games to all sites. Betcoin is just a site.

There's a lot of evidence that suggests the same people are behind Betsoft and Betcoin.  Not sure if the Alexa thing is a clue or not though.

In addition to the way they (attempted) to cover up the Betsoft Jackpot (Betcoin blamed Betsoft, Betsoft remained silent) there's this poker connection also: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1616152.msg16798099#msg16798099

[game-protect]

I don't know how this stuff works, but found this list as one of their top linked sources:

http://ip-173-201-142-193.ip.secureserver.net/Alexa/Alexa_28.html

pretty close on the list...

141908   betsoftgaming.com
142221   betcoin.ag

They don't have connection but both are not paying jackpot. Betsoft is a casino game supplier which offers various casino games to all sites. Betcoin is just a site.

How do you know that they have no relation? Only an insider could know.

I hereby confirm that I have effectively cooperated and reached an agreement with Betcoin.ag and Betsoft in relation to a dispute over a jackpot payout.

Even the jackpot "settlement" states an agreement with Betsoft, even though betcoin.ag is solely the contract partner if you play slots at betcoin.ag.

And why do betcoin.ag persist to offer Betsoft scam gaming software, even after Betsoft allegedly did not pay? I mean almost everyone would quit after this desaster, wouldn't they?

In addition, the army of 70 promoters here on bitcointalk, while they have a very low poker traffic compared. This does not really look like a standalone site.

There are a lot of things indicating that they are connected!

[metropolia]

I don't know how this stuff works, but found this list as one of their top linked sources:

http://ip-173-201-142-193.ip.secureserver.net/Alexa/Alexa_28.html

pretty close on the list...

141908   betsoftgaming.com
142221   betcoin.ag

They don't have connection but both are not paying jackpot. Betsoft is a casino game supplier which offers various casino games to all sites. Betcoin is just a site.

How do you know that they have no relation? Only an insider could know.

I hereby confirm that I have effectively cooperated and reached an agreement with Betcoin.ag and Betsoft in relation to a dispute over a jackpot payout.

Even the jackpot "settlement" states an agreement with Betsoft, even though betcoin.ag is solely the contract partner if you play slots at betcoin.ag.

And why do betcoin.ag persist to offer Betsoft scam gaming software, even after Betsoft allegedly did not pay? I mean almost everyone would quit after this desaster, wouldn't they?

In addition, the army of 70 promoters here on bitcointalk, while they have a very low poker traffic compared. This does not really look like a standalone site.

There are a lot of things indicating that they are connected...

Betsoft should be built and found before betcoin, casino game suppliers like betsoft do not need to operate a casino, many casinos(min 30, or 50, or 100?) implement betsoft games, which they can easily profit 100-1000 BTC per month(suppliers usually charge 10%-20% of net profit), they don't need to run a new site like betcoin, you also said betcoin is losing money. Why they run a casino with monthly losses?

[game-protect]

I don't know how this stuff works, but found this list as one of their top linked sources:

http://ip-173-201-142-193.ip.secureserver.net/Alexa/Alexa_28.html

pretty close on the list...

141908   betsoftgaming.com
142221   betcoin.ag

They don't have connection but both are not paying jackpot. Betsoft is a casino game supplier which offers various casino games to all sites. Betcoin is just a site.

How do you know that they have no relation? Only an insider could know.

I hereby confirm that I have effectively cooperated and reached an agreement with Betcoin.ag and Betsoft in relation to a dispute over a jackpot payout.

Even the jackpot "settlement" states an agreement with Betsoft, even though betcoin.ag is solely the contract partner if you play slots at betcoin.ag.

And why do betcoin.ag persist to offer Betsoft scam gaming software, even after Betsoft allegedly did not pay? I mean almost everyone would quit after this desaster, wouldn't they?

In addition, the army of 70 promoters here on bitcointalk, while they have a very low poker traffic compared. This does not really look like a standalone site.

There are a lot of things indicating that they are connected...

Betsoft should be built and found before betcoin, casino game suppliers like betsoft do not need to operate a casino, many casinos(min 30, or 50, or 100?) implement betsoft games, which they can easily profit 100-1000 BTC per month(suppliers usually charge 10%-20% of net profit), they don't need to run a new site like betcoin, you also said betcoin is losing money. Why they run a casino with monthly losses?

With the introduction of Bitcoins, it would make sense for Betsoft to create their own, anonymous casino.

Betsoft rent their software to anonymous and criminal casinos, that would perfectly fit with the behaviour of betcoin.ag.

Betsoft <-> Betcoin

If Betsoft make up to USD 1 million per month, why did they not pay the jasonort jackpot? Does this make any sense? It was at least important for betcoin.ag/Betsoft that jasonort publicly state everything is fine.

Why all the trouble if Betsoft make that much money and not simply pay the jackpot?

If you offer Betsoft scam gaming software and they do not pay a crystal clear won 500 or even 1000 Bitcoins jackpot, then the only reason I can see why betcoin.ag would continue to offer Betsoft is because they are connected.

Betcoin.ag can never grow again after the jackpot fiasko, their business is destroyed, but as a thank you they continue to work with Betsoft? They continue to transfer the progressive jackpot contributions to Betsoft, knowing that Betsoft did not pay? Does this make any sense, if betcoin.ag is not connected to Betsoft?

[TwitchySeal]

I don't know how this stuff works, but found this list as one of their top linked sources:

http://ip-173-201-142-193.ip.secureserver.net/Alexa/Alexa_28.html

pretty close on the list...

141908   betsoftgaming.com
142221   betcoin.ag

They don't have connection but both are not paying jackpot. Betsoft is a casino game supplier which offers various casino games to all sites. Betcoin is just a site.

How do you know that they have no relation? Only an insider could know.

I hereby confirm that I have effectively cooperated and reached an agreement with Betcoin.ag and Betsoft in relation to a dispute over a jackpot payout.

Even the jackpot "settlement" states an agreement with Betsoft, even though betcoin.ag is solely the contract partner if you play slots at betcoin.ag.

And why do betcoin.ag persist to offer Betsoft scam gaming software, even after Betsoft allegedly did not pay? I mean almost everyone would quit after this desaster, wouldn't they?

In addition, the army of 70 promoters here on bitcointalk, while they have a very low poker traffic compared. This does not really look like a standalone site.

There are a lot of things indicating that they are connected...

Betsoft should be built and found before betcoin, casino game suppliers like betsoft do not need to operate a casino, many casinos(min 30, or 50, or 100?) implement betsoft games, which they can easily profit 100-1000 BTC per month(suppliers usually charge 10%-20% of net profit), they don't need to run a new site like betcoin, you also said betcoin is losing money. Why they run a casino with monthly losses?

Betsoft definitely came way before Betcoin.

But why wouldn't they operate casinos on their own?  Just because they don't need to?

They also don't need to be super non-transparent and refuse to ever communicate directly with players in any way.

[game-protect]

Totally approve of this rb service. I'm at gold now so that's 63% and climbing! The great thing is that Xiao helps me out when support is backed up, and he's always answered my messages within 24hrs.

Support is "backed up" with only 20 micro stakes players in average, is a poverty certificate!

You can have at WPN skins 27% flat rakeback + leaderboard prizes + $55 tournament entry weekly. Hard to believe you can climb much higher with the very low micro stakes traffic on betcoin.ag.

[game-protect]

Betcoin still one of the greatest and trusted house, so why you reserve this bid for full member and greater???
Involve newbie in this process will give the Betcoin Ag the opportunity to get a label ambassador from the newbie position to legendary!!!
Betcoin will guarantee the engagement for a long period 😉

What I suggest! Betcoin Ag must Review the policy of the ad compaign service!
Regards

20 players in average is doubtless a sign of "greatest" and did not pay a crystal clear won 500 BTC jackpot is doubtless a sign of "trusted"!

Like war is peace and the sun is moon!

[game-protect]

Oh oh, Alexa rank down 27,055 http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/betcoin.ag

-> this explains their new motto CUT, CUT, CUT  

Meanwhile 161,749 - 54,242 = 50% down within 2 months!


RUN, RUN, RUN, the last will be bitten by the dogs!

[TwitchySeal]

Well they instantly deleted this just now.

What new addition would you like to see added to Betcoin?

I would like to see more transparency from Betcoin management.  For example: the results of the independent audit of Betsoft (or an explanation of why the audit never happened) as well as the relationship between Betsoft and Betcoin, both of which were promised by Betcoin Jessica and Andrew last July.

A response to the accusations made in this post would be excellent.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1667860.msg16745828#msg16745828



^^^none of this ever happened

[game-protect]

I think the relationship between the betcoin.ag scam and Betsoft scam gaming software should be meanwhile very clear to everyone:

1) Betcoin.ag sent progressive jackpot contributions to Betsoft

2) Betsoft did not pay crystal clear won 500 Bitcoins jackpot

3) Instead of kicking off Betsoft, betcoin.ag continue to send progressive jackpot contributions!

Only someone part of Betsoft would act this way, or not?

[game-protect]

Crooks everywhere!

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[game-protect]

My Betcoin.ag review

Hi Please before deposit on this site read this:

I Have made some profit on betcoin.ag sportbook and casino. Therefore they blocked my possibility to place a single bet on sportbook and my withdrawals was so long, I was required to "beg" them my money back. Fortunately they have paid BUT I dislike this disrespect.

All poker/casino/sportbook sites must make money to live and that's correct but that's unfair to prevent players as soon as they wan ( around 1BTC) so not a fortune.

I have opened an account on 80% bookmakers available in the world except russians and asian's. They can limit you after some weeks if you make profit and that's fair but limit means reasonable stakes. On Betcoin.ag I cannot stake anything (0,00000BTC).

To finish my council if you want to gamble some bitcoins it's to play on nitrogensports.eu because they are awesome even if you win or lose. I have been lucky on Dice, some parlays on sportbook (few times 2/3/4 BTC) and wan on poker too ( I have some skills on gambling or it seems too) and they always paid me in a short time. I never needed to ask them for a payment.

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Latest betcoin.ag pokerscout.com data: 24 Hr Peak: 45 | 7 Day Avg: 16

-> dropped again!

[game-protect]

Seriously... I joined within the past month and received only a nominal, arbitrary amount in rakeback from XiaXiao. I've rake a lot and am not playing until I get the full amount, otherwise I was lured to the site under false pretenses and I refuse to line the pockets of anyone who does not follow through with their promises in matters such as these.

Has anyone been under payed via the bonus chips released? They seem to be releasing fewer chips than advertised. They say they are released at 15% rake but it is really about 12-13% in practice.

Update please. What were the results of your meeting "later today" (almost 4 days ago as of this post)?

[ungod]

Xiao is 5 weeks behind on paying rakeback, and is once again locking his thread to keep people from complaining publicly.

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Xiao is 5 weeks behind on paying rakeback, and is once again locking his thread to keep people from complaining publicly.

It was only a question of time until this fraud scheme will fail!

When the traffic decreases with 70 signature promoters here on BitcoinTalk, then you can be rest assured what will happen sooner or later.

The collected but not paid 500 Bitcoins jackpot is probably spent now and they have cash flow issue.

[DarkDays]

Xiao is 5 weeks behind on paying rakeback, and is once again locking his thread to keep people from complaining publicly.

I see he hasn't logged into his account in a week now either.  Lay down with snakes, you're gonna get bit kids.

[game-protect]

Affiliate and partner in crime Xiaoxiao defrauded betcoin.ag scam customers!

Hello everyone, it's time for me to come out with the truth about the recent "delayed" rakeback situation.  This is not easy to do, especially since some of you guys viewed me as a helping hand to resolve issues or expedite support tickets and be an advocate for the players.

The truth is that I have personally mismanaged players' rakeback funds because I have gambled most of it away; I have a gambling problem.  I'm sure Betcoin can attest to this by simply looking at my past gambling records on the site, and most of the cashouts I made were to a few other bitcoin gambling sites which I lost.  The reason I made up the excuse of "delayed rakeback stats" was to buy time so I can get loans or use continued incoming affiliate funds to try to make back what I needed to cover.

In the past you may have noticed there's been similar "delays," though not as prolonged as this one.  Many of which (if not all) were because of my gambling habits in which I lost the funds which I should have set aside to pay out players at the end of the week.  However, I was always able to some how come up with it either taking out loans with every credit line that I have, or somehow winning it back via gambling, which is why this program has been afloat for so long amidst my gambling issues.

I hope you all could see that this delay of player rakeback was not the result of any malicious intent.  I've always tried to help the players under this program to the best of my abilities, a lot of time intervening with support and helping expedite issues they may be having with the ever enhancing Betcoin platform, or sending early rakeback when players needed it.

Currently I am working with Betcoin and a few possible investors to figure out a way to appease all those that haven't received their due rakeback from this program in the past few months.  I have exact records of who is owed what amount.

I apologize and feel incredibly bad for all those that were eagerly awaiting their rakeback, because I've been there before myself.  In no way shape or form have I ever intended to "scam" anyone.  As you know, I started this program back in 2014, and I always did my best to do whatever I can to make sure my players' get their due rakeback.  However this time around I ran out of credit lines and my luck also ran out so I told a bigger lie to buy myself time to figure out a way to come up with player funds.

[game-protect]

Ive heard alot of scam reports and bad bad things about betcoin.ag but never really hit home till just today. I had 65 chips which is .065 in btc just disapear they scammed it from me. Ill never ever set foot on there website again and i will bash them and tell everyone i know and every chance i get online to tell people that they are crooked and they scam!

[TwitchySeal]

Xiao is 5 weeks behind on paying rakeback, and is once again locking his thread to keep people from complaining publicly.

I see he hasn't logged into his account in a week now either.  Lay down with snakes, you're gonna get bit kids.

Affiliate and partner in crime Xiaoxiao defrauded betcoin.ag scam customers!

Hello everyone, it's time for me to come out with the truth about the recent "delayed" rakeback situation.  This is not easy to do, especially since some of you guys viewed me as a helping hand to resolve issues or expedite support tickets and be an advocate for the players.

The truth is that I have personally mismanaged players' rakeback funds because I have gambled most of it away; I have a gambling problem.  I'm sure Betcoin can attest to this by simply looking at my past gambling records on the site, and most of the cashouts I made were to a few other bitcoin gambling sites which I lost.  The reason I made up the excuse of "delayed rakeback stats" was to buy time so I can get loans or use continued incoming affiliate funds to try to make back what I needed to cover.

In the past you may have noticed there's been similar "delays," though not as prolonged as this one.  Many of which (if not all) were because of my gambling habits in which I lost the funds which I should have set aside to pay out players at the end of the week.  However, I was always able to some how come up with it either taking out loans with every credit line that I have, or somehow winning it back via gambling, which is why this program has been afloat for so long amidst my gambling issues.

I hope you all could see that this delay of player rakeback was not the result of any malicious intent.  I've always tried to help the players under this program to the best of my abilities, a lot of time intervening with support and helping expedite issues they may be having with the ever enhancing Betcoin platform, or sending early rakeback when players needed it.

Currently I am working with Betcoin and a few possible investors to figure out a way to appease all those that haven't received their due rakeback from this program in the past few months.  I have exact records of who is owed what amount.

I apologize and feel incredibly bad for all those that were eagerly awaiting their rakeback, because I've been there before myself.  In no way shape or form have I ever intended to "scam" anyone.  As you know, I started this program back in 2014, and I always did my best to do whatever I can to make sure my players' get their due rakeback.  However this time around I ran out of credit lines and my luck also ran out so I told a bigger lie to buy myself time to figure out a way to come up with player funds.

Been away for a while - can't say I'm all that surprised to find out Xiao stole a bunch of money and then disappeared, or that Betcoin responded by screwing them even more.

They are still snap deleting most criticism/complaints from their thread.  

What else have I missed?

Props to mods for finally putting their foot down when it comes to spamming same crap over and over in their self modded thread.



Edit: Was just going through some of Betcoins posts, found some more evidence supporting my theory that they are run by Betsoft ( scammers ).

Hello, everyone and thank you for being a member of our campaign.  WE updated the casino recently to add several new providers including Ezugi, GameArt and Endorphina which has been great for our players but in order to receive a casino bonus all players must play a Betsoft game in order to be properly registered.  You can login and do that here:

https://www.betcoin.ag/casino/slots?provider=betsoft

Once complete, please create a ticket and we can get you taken care of.  Thank you!