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September 19, 2016, 09:43:19 AM
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I'd like to ask moderators to add Ukrainian local board. We really need it.

Ukraine is home to one of the largest bitcoin communities in Europe. Ukraine currently ranks among the top 10 countries in the world in terms of the number of global bitcoin nodes. So I think it isn't right that we don't have our local board here.
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September 19, 2016, 09:47:15 AM
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The Ukrainan local thread[1] currently got a total of 22 pages in over 3 years, with 3 posts being made today and 14 this month.

[1]  Українська (Ukrainian) - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236982.0



Ukraine currently ranks among the top 10 countries in the world in terms of the number of global bitcoin nodes.
According to bitnodes.21.co there are currently 45 online nodes in the Ukraine, making it #15 (as a comparison, Germany currently holds a total of 850 nodes and the #1 is placed at 1373).
Taking that aside, hosting nodes has nothing to do whether or not there is the need for a local board.
What good does it if there's a local board added and it ends up being an abandoned place. Discussion is a far better indicator on whether or not there should be a local board.

Discussion like the one going (very very slow) in the local thread up there.


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September 19, 2016, 09:58:27 AM
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The Ukrainan local thread[1] currently got a total of 22 pages in over 3 years, with 3 posts being made today and 14 this month.

[1]  Українська (Ukrainian) - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236982.0

Yes, but look at this topic about ukrainian crypto in russian local board:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1513025.0

and it has 36 pages within three months.

It's very inconvenient to use one topic for everything, news , new crypto events, etc. Because a lot of ukrainian know russian we often use russian local board. But it doesn't mean that we like things going this way.
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September 19, 2016, 10:15:13 AM
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At least one thread I promise to create and maintain, namely for Karbowanec KRB Ukrainian cryptocurency.

I think a lot of users reside in Russian section just because there's no Ukrainian.

Edit. Alternatively moderator can move this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236982.msg15017236#msg15017236 and corresponding replies to new thread if Ukrainian board will be created.

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September 19, 2016, 10:20:11 AM
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I can be a board moderator Smiley

Also I can bring new ukrainian speaking users from Facebook.
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September 19, 2016, 10:28:50 AM
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I can be a board moderator Smiley

Also I can bring new ukrainian speaking users from Facebook.
Better ask some hero member Smiley

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September 19, 2016, 10:34:29 AM
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I can be a board moderator Smiley

Also I can bring new ukrainian speaking users from Facebook.
Better ask some hero member Smiley

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September 19, 2016, 10:36:25 AM
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I can be a board moderator
Better ask some hero member
I can become a hero member, it's not a problem
I asume that's your main intention and your current interest in bringing up the suggestion of a local ukrainian board, right?


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September 19, 2016, 10:42:53 AM
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I asume that's your main intention and your current interest in bringing up the suggestion of a local ukrainian board, right?

No, my main intention is about getting place on this forum where I can use my native language.

If aiwe will be a moderator it's ok too Smiley
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September 19, 2016, 10:58:35 AM
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No, my main intention is about getting place on this forum where I can use my native language.
As pointed out above by Lutpin, you first need to have an adequate amount of activity in the Ukranian thread in order to justify the creation of yet another board. As it currently stands, this isn't the case.

If aiwe will be a moderator it's ok too Smiley
I don't see that happening.


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September 19, 2016, 11:04:32 AM
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No, my main intention is about getting place on this forum where I can use my native language.
As pointed out above by Lutpin, you first need to have an adequate amount of activity in the Ukrainian thread in order to justify the creation of yet another board. As it currently stands, this isn't the case.

Could you please explain what is "adequate amount of activity"?
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Could you please explain what is "adequate amount of activity"?
There isn't a fixed number. However, if you take a look within the "Other languages/locations" section, you will find that there are threads which have much more activity/posts in comparison to the Ukranian one. The current top three are: Serbian, Pakistani, Slovenia with 1180+, 980+, 818+ posts respectively. In comparison, the Ukrainian one has 420+.


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September 19, 2016, 11:20:03 AM
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Serbian topic is much older than Ukrainian and recent activity is much lower. Pakistan is better, but recent activity is lower than in Ukrainian too. So i think it's not very good measure of activity.

And as I wrote before a lot of ukrainains are bilingual and now russian, so people often use russian board, see KRB thread for example, but when I wrote some post in ukrainain there some russian speaker become upset because he didn't understand me.
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Could you please explain what is "adequate amount of activity"?
Significantly more than you currently have. If you look on the Boards breakdown, you can see that almost all boards have several thousand posts (with the exception of Korea). This is significantly more activity than the Ukraine seems to have.

In addition, AFAIK it helps if you have a trusted user who fully understands the rules and how to enforce them (E.G with a significant amount of reports) to moderate the section. I am doubtful that either aiwe or yourself fit that quota.
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September 19, 2016, 12:09:02 PM
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I asume that's your main intention and your current interest in bringing up the suggestion of a local ukrainian board, right?

No, my main intention is about getting place on this forum where I can use my native language.

If aiwe will be a moderator it's ok too Smiley
No thanks Smiley

This is Ukrainian's problem in general I think. They sit on other boards and threads like Russian, Polish, English. They tend to respond in Russian language when someone starts talking in Russian to them even if they know for sure that their interlocutor at lest perfectly understands Ukrainian. This is changing but too slowly.  Since all understand Russian and a lot of users use Russian in daily life they naturally write in Russian board.  Even I respond in Russian thread but I have to maintain currency, help people etc. By the way a lot of users there are indeed from Ukraine. But this is more linguistic than locality problem. I guess Russian is treated as Russian language board not Russia country board. I suspect that even if mods will open Ukraininan board there would be more posts and threads in Russian language Smiley I wish I prove wrong.

No offences nor fud or hate intended. Just my thoughts.

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I asume that's your main intention and your current interest in bringing up the suggestion of a local ukrainian board, right?

No, my main intention is about getting place on this forum where I can use my native language.

If aiwe will be a moderator it's ok too Smiley
No thanks Smiley

This is Ukrainian's problem in general I think. They sit on other boards and threads like Russian, Polish, English. They tend to respond in Russian language when someone starts talking in Russian to them even if they know for sure that their interlocutor at lest perfectly understands Ukrainian. This is changing but too slowly.  Since all understand Russian and a lot of users use Russian in daily life they naturally write in Russian board.  Even I respond in Russian thread but I have to maintain currency, help people etc. By the way a lot of users there are indeed from Ukraine. But this is more linguistic than locality problem. I guess Russian is treated as Russian language board not Russia country board. I suspect that even if mods will open Ukraininan board there would be more posts and threads in Russian language Smiley I wish I prove wrong.

No offences nor fud or hate intended. Just my thoughts.

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September 19, 2016, 12:55:23 PM
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I'd like to ask moderators to add Ukrainian local board. We really need it.

Ukraine is home to one of the largest bitcoin communities in Europe. Ukraine currently ranks among the top 10 countries in the world in terms of the number of global bitcoin nodes. So I think it isn't right that we don't have our local board here.
Yes, I need Ukrainian local board

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Could you please explain what is "adequate amount of activity"?
Significantly more than you currently have. If you look on the Boards breakdown, you can see that almost all boards have several thousand posts (with the exception of Korea). This is significantly more activity than the Ukraine seems to have.

In addition, AFAIK it helps if you have a trusted user who fully understands the rules and how to enforce them (E.G with a significant amount of reports) to moderate the section. I am doubtful that either aiwe or yourself fit that quota.

Ok, I think you know rules better than I so I have a question: Is it allowed to have several language topics in "Other languages" section? For example one topic for markets, one topic for news and one general topic?
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It's a good idea, I need Ukrainian local board too

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Is it allowed to have several language topics in "Other languages" section? For example one topic for markets, one topic for news and one general topic?
No, you should not do that. All the discussion should be taking place within the singular thread until such time has come where there's a need for a separate section. Then, and only then will you be able to create multiple threads about differentiating topics in that language.


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