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September 26, 2016, 05:09:26 PM
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The following channels will be telecasting the debate LIVE (My favorite is Fox News):

* ABC
* CBS
* NBC
* Fox
* C-SPAN
* MSNBC
* CNN
* Fox News
* Univision

80 million US viewers are expected to watch the debate, in addition to tens of millions of non-Americans. If you don't have access to Cable TV, then you can watch the debate live on the following YouTube channels:

* BuzzFeed
* CBS News
* CNN
* C-SPAN
* Daily Caller
* Fox News
* Huffington Post
* NBC
* PBS
* Politico
* Telemundo
* Wall Street Journal
* Univision
* Yahoo

Fox: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7iAMeZDlgI or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOt7BPrHdYw
NBC News: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=855Am6ovK7s
CNN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9m_hzXE7f4
PBS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuHuzhzb1nc

You can also watch the debate live on Facebook (ABC Channel: https://www.facebook.com/ABCNews/) or Twitter (Bloomberg account: https://twitter.com/i/live/778347749217406976).




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September 26, 2016, 06:06:21 PM
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September 26, 2016, 06:23:18 PM
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Ez victory for Donald. All he has to do is wait for Hillary to cough. If she makes any weird moves he won't even have to speak. He will win automatically. Actually he already won. I will just watch it because it will be very entertaining to see a crazy bitch against a real man..




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September 26, 2016, 06:31:50 PM
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Fox has to cancel my favorite Lucifer episode in favor for this two little devils debate.
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September 26, 2016, 08:04:54 PM
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Fox has to cancel my favorite Lucifer episode in favor for this two little devils debate.

(You heard it here first because I just made it up.)

If they had any sense they'd work this right into the Lucifer plot line.
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September 26, 2016, 10:26:23 PM
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I don't really get why anyone gives a shit. They're all rehearsed up front and this is common knowledge. I suppose we can count on Donny to chuck a spanner in the works for a lark.
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I don't really get why anyone gives a shit. They're all rehearsed up front and this is common knowledge. I suppose we can count on Donny to chuck a spanner in the works for a lark.

Because most people feel that someone else can fix the world for them when the reality is they should be focusing on fixing themselves.

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Now, as an old man, I realize the only thing I can change is myself, and suddenly I realize that if long ago I had changed myself, I could have made an impact on my family. My family and I could have made an impact on our town. Their impact could have changed the nation and I could indeed have changed the world.

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September 26, 2016, 10:55:59 PM
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I don't really get why anyone gives a shit. They're all rehearsed up front and this is common knowledge. I suppose we can count on Donny to chuck a spanner in the works for a lark.

It's just another show. People like shows. That's how politics works these days. It doesn't matter anyway.
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Here's my post-debate analysis before my thoughts become polluted by reading the thoughts of others:

1)  Hillary performed surprisingly well.  I think that Trump won, but then I'm more familiar with the underlying concepts of his ideas since I've followed him a good bit by now.

2)  I had pangs of frustration about certain things Trump did or more commonly didn't do.  Trump deferred on savaging Clinton on a number of things which were fairly obvious to me.  Later it occurred to me that...

3)  This may be the first time that a lot of those on the Left have seen more than little clips of the monster Trump.  This was the time to be 'nice' for 90 minutes straight.  Many people will be questioning what all the fuss about him being a Hitlarian woman hating baby eating beast was all about and if perhaps it was a bit overplayed.  Seeds of doubt.

4)  At the very end Trump did a funny sympathy thing about the ads run against him.  I suspect it was in part a set-up for when he pulls the trigger and lets his own ads fly.

5)  Trump is doing fairly well in the polls and is on a good trajectory at the moment.  He and his supporters could be forgiven for feeling like he probably 'has this election in the bag', but nobody should ever get complacent.  It is a position where it may make more sense to play it safe and that probably does mean being fairly nice.

6)  I suddenly realized that Trump actually wants very badly for Hillary to do well in the debates and stay in!  If the Dems swapped Hillary out, it could be a real wild-card move and depending on the precision of the operation, it might not turn out well for Trump.  I'll again point out that many people will vote for Hillary with no passion or not vote at all and this cohort would be delighted to have an alternate to vote for.  Trumps best bet is to run against Hillary, and he has a shit-load of ammo which he kept safe and unused during debate #1 here.


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September 27, 2016, 04:29:14 AM
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Ez victory for Donald. All he has to do is wait for Hillary to cough. If she makes any weird moves he won't even have to speak. He will win automatically. Actually he already won. I will just watch it because it will be very entertaining to see a crazy bitch against a real man..

I was completely expecting for something weird to happen with Hillary. Weak knees, coughing fit, wandering eyes. The fact that none of that happened made me feel like she won, because my expectations were much lower.
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Here's my post-debate analysis before my thoughts become polluted by reading the thoughts of others:

1)  Hillary performed surprisingly well.  I think that Trump won, but then I'm more familiar with the underlying concepts of his ideas since I've followed him a good bit by now.

2)  I had pangs of frustration about certain things Trump did or more commonly didn't do.  Trump deferred on savaging Clinton on a number of things which were fairly obvious to me.  Later it occurred to me that...

3)  This may be the first time that a lot of those on the Left have seen more than little clips of the monster Trump.  This was the time to be 'nice' for 90 minutes straight.  Many people will be questioning what all the fuss about him being a Hitlarian woman hating baby eating beast was all about and if perhaps it was a bit overplayed.  Seeds of doubt.

4)  At the very end Trump did a funny sympathy thing about the ads run against him.  I suspect it was in part a set-up for when he pulls the trigger and lets his own ads fly.

5)  Trump is doing fairly well in the polls and is on a good trajectory at the moment.  He and his supporters could be forgiven for feeling like he probably 'has this election in the bag', but nobody should ever get complacent.  It is a position where it may make more sense to play it safe and that probably does mean being fairly nice.

6)  I suddenly realized that Trump actually wants very badly for Hillary to do well in the debates and stay in!  If the Dems swapped Hillary out, it could be a real wild-card move and depending on the precision of the operation, it might not turn out well for Trump.  I'll again point out that many people will vote for Hillary with no passion or not vote at all and this cohort would be delighted to have an alternate to vote for.  Trumps best bet is to run against Hillary, and he has a shit-load of ammo which he kept safe and unused during debate #1 here.



I think Trump made a mistake in saying that he took advantage of laws to pay less taxes, or took advantages of laws and file for bankrupts. That will not sit well with those who have only seen little clips of him.
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I think Trump made a mistake in saying that he took advantage of laws to pay less taxes, or took advantages of laws and file for bankrupts. That will not sit well with those who have only seen little clips of him.

I disagree to some extent with the contention about taxes.  Everyone always pays as few taxes as practical.  This is not unlike the phony outrage over Clinton's BJ from Monica.  Most guys and probably only slightly fewer women can at least imagine themselves in a similar situation whether they admit it to themselves or not.  Phony outrage is simply not a strong hand.

On the bankruptcies thing, I believe that what probably is the case is that different projects are more risky than others and the investors demand and get better returns if/when the project pans out.  The success/failure of Trump projects actually strikes me as being quite good!  I've heard Trump allude to the fact that his investors are sharks and some of the most shrewd people around, but I've never heard him or anyone else try to explain the business to Joe Public.  Probably it is wise because, simple as it is in principle, most people wouldn't grok it.  Oh well.

When it came to taxes and occupations, I wanted to scream at the screen, 'Ask her how did a person who has no business at all but is part of what is ostensibly a 'charity' rake in $10,000,000 in 2015?'

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I forgot to mention another observation.  There was a little bit of cheering and jeering from the crowd.  Hillary's biggest cheer came from a line about how she prepared for 30 years to be president or something like that.  The thing is, it was not a very good line.  It 'felt' to me like a response fitting a different and/or more harsh attack and one which was pre-planned to be cheered at.  That's just the sense I got.


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I think Trump made a mistake in saying that he took advantage of laws to pay less taxes, or took advantages of laws and file for bankrupts. That will not sit well with those who have only seen little clips of him.

I disagree to some extent with the contention about taxes.  Everyone always pays as few taxes as practical.  This is not unlike the phony outrage over Clinton's BJ from Monica.  Most guys and probably only slightly fewer women can at least imagine themselves in a similar situation whether they admit it to themselves or not.  Phony outrage is simply not a strong hand.

On the bankruptcies thing, I believe that what probably is the case is that different projects are more risky than others and the investors demand and get better returns if/when the project pans out.  The success/failure of Trump projects actually strikes me as being quite good!  I've heard Trump allude to the fact that his investors are sharks and some of the most shrewd people around, but I've never heard him or anyone else try to explain the business to Joe Public.  Probably it is wise because, simple as it is in principle, most people wouldn't grok it.  Oh well.

When it came to taxes and occupations, I wanted to scream at the screen, 'Ask her how did a person who has no business at all but is part of what is ostensibly a 'charity' rake in $10,000,000 in 2015?'

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I forgot to mention another observation.  There was a little bit of cheering and jeering from the crowd.  Hillary's biggest cheer came from a line about how she prepared for 30 years to be president or something like that.  The thing is, it was not a very good line.  It 'felt' to me like a response fitting a different and/or more harsh attack and one which was pre-planned to be cheered at.  That's just the sense I got.



There's no problem in trying to use the available laws to pay as little taxes as possible. The mistake is how the average viewer will see it. Trump didn't explain it, he just said it's called being smart. The average viewer are going to assume that he's cheating the system, rather than him doing what everyone else does.
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September 27, 2016, 08:02:05 AM
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Seems to me like Clinton won that hands down. Trump came across as rattled and uninformed, while Clinton made some good points. Neither are great options but Clinton is the lesser of two evils here. Not only would Trump alienate the US from the rest of the world, but he would also get nothing done domestically. He can't compromise or negotiate to save his life it seems. I guess you don't have to when you're dad loans you tens of millions straight off the bat.
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Hillary trumped hands down, trump was like a kid on a tantrum

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I hope American voters will see through Hillary's theatrics and see her for the scripted, smooth talking, soundbite spewing, dishonest politician without accomplishments or an ounce of integrity she is.
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Trump won clearly. Hillary lied all the time with her witchcraft devil suit on.

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September 27, 2016, 10:39:29 AM
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Trump won clearly. Hillary lied all the time with her witchcraft devil suit on.

That's her normal behavior. Politicians lie most of the time, but she lies even when she hasn't to.
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September 27, 2016, 10:49:58 AM
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Trump won clearly. Hillary lied all the time with her witchcraft devil suit on.

To me, its politicians will always have their ways whether Hillary or Trump one of them is getting the Oval and thats what matter and also judging that Trump won yesterday or Hillary nailed it yesterday is based on judgement depending on the side one is inclined to. The most important is at the polls. Will people remember the winnings at the debate, or they will just follow their emotions or inclination? That will be the deciding factor...
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September 27, 2016, 11:25:11 AM
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I was completely expecting for something weird to happen with Hillary. Weak knees, coughing fit, wandering eyes. The fact that none of that happened made me feel like she won, because my expectations were much lower.

The real Hilary was in the wings controlling her android from her death bed. You heard it here first.
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