Mistakenly sent through electrum without fee, tx pending & unconfirmed for days

[dssctv]

I sent the entirety of my btc from an older version of electrum to a new electrum wallet on a new computer with no fee. I hadn't touched my coin in a long time and had forgotten the need to send a fee and the app did not suggest anything so I thought nothing of it and sent it with nothing.

The tx periodically appears on the balance of new my wallet, unconfirmed and pending with 0 confirmations, then disappears.

When checking to see if the coin returned to the old wallet, the older version of the app will not even open on my old cpu. It appears on task manager for 2 seconds then disappears. No error message. Did sending coin without a fee corrupt the wallet somehow? My seed is written down somewhere and could very well be lost.

When I search the tx id on blockchain, I get this message: "Transaction rejected by our node. Reason: Transaction was previously accepted but has been pruned from our database."

On a lot of other block explorers the tx id doesn't exist and the address of the new wallet has 0 transactions.

There's a record of the tx on this explorer:

https://bitcoinchain.com/block_explorer/tx/25afcb8c21a3e3af38879ec9cd9c9db17700977bcd1df9027b4b2a2c516de2cf

Will the tx eventually go through?

Will the btc return to my old wallet? In which case I could be fucked.

What will likely happen and can anything be done to prompt the confirmation?

All input and advice is really appreciated.

[achow101]

Do not panic. Your Bitcoin is not lost so long as you have your wallet files and/or seed phrase.

Because you have 0 fee, the transaction is rejected by basically everyone on the network. It is very unlikely that this transaction will confirm.

The solution is to resend the transaction with a fee.

What versions of Electrum are you using?

[dssctv]

1.8 on the original wallet and 2.6.4 on the new one. I guess I'll have to find where I stored my seed phrase.

[achow101]

1.8 on the original wallet and 2.6.4 on the new one. I guess I'll have to find where I stored my seed phrase.

Well you should have the old wallet file on your old computer. If you pull that off that computer, it should work with the new Electrum on your new computer. Then you can do stuff from there.

[dssctv]

What information am I looking for exactly, what would the file I need be called?

[achow101]

What information am I looking for exactly, what would the file I need be called?

You are looking for a file that is probably called wallet_1 or default_wallet. It should be in %appdata%/Electrum/wallets if you are using windows.

[dssctv]

It's blank. The app won't even open like I said so it got corrupted in some way. I installed the latest version and the app still won't open.

[achow101]

It's blank. The app won't even open like I said so it got corrupted in some way. I installed the latest version and the app still won't open.

Then you'd better find your seed words. You need to be able to access that wallet, be it the wallet file or the seed words. Otherwise your Bitcoin is lost.

[Coding Enthusiast]

i have 2 thoughts:
- you can still broadcast this transaction as long as you can get the hex format if it but it is highly unlikely that it can get any confirmation ever with zero fee.
- @achow101 is CPFP implemented yet or not, i never understood this if so he may be able to use this feature to spend that unconfirmed tx

[achow101]

- @achow101 is CPFP implemented yet or not, i never understood this if so he may be able to use this feature to spend that unconfirmed tx

It's implemented in Core 0.13.0. However I do not know how many miners have implemented it yet. Nodes that do have it implemented will relay the transactions instead of rejecting them.

[dssctv]

- you can still broadcast this transaction as long as you can get the hex format if it but it is highly unlikely that it can get any confirmation ever with zero fee.

What's a hex format, and could it be used to confirm the transaction?

Is there a way I could get a miner to confirm it?

[achow101]

- you can still broadcast this transaction as long as you can get the hex format if it but it is highly unlikely that it can get any confirmation ever with zero fee.

What's a hex format, and could it be used to confirm the transaction?

Is there a way I could get a miner to confirm it?

The hex format is the raw bytes of the transaction represented in hexadecimal format. If you have that, you have the transaction and can continuously rebroadcast it.

There are some miners who will confirm transactions in exchange for another fee you pay them. IIRC the user macbook-air will do this. Try contacting him.

[Coding Enthusiast]

What's a hex format, and could it be used to confirm the transaction?
Is there a way I could get a miner to confirm it?

here is the hex format of your transaction:

Code:

01000000020e3a7db18b4ef02879f5948fb357865278abbbd93628c829e04cae40dd990233000000008b4830450221009f0754116a7fd349d4d0dcd9deba31d53c2cd072d617cb4f67fa6be6574b6fa6022046864b74352b1ab87119bd37f424db1ed57f55440d668c3657ae15c50ac79814014104e116d36b94db2bf48838bb7e85a075580ad4604e7ca87e97574a9808ee948fd90cc3c028a49b5ef357460893ce3d0ea6299c220cb8e28beccac6f2a21a59e442ffffffffa34f5f13602db4851a02a483b30a7c2f8d95132eece1d7af7402ef0bd7ce5e5a2e0000008a4730440220666b1e493d20d1020017e3838338e720ebbf51fa8e3bbdadb3ff35b2e5728d4602206b8d0af686b4dc0b6be960466611466f04b87dd44cd1c0a1034f26fe8ae673ba014104e116d36b94db2bf48838bb7e85a075580ad4604e7ca87e97574a9808ee948fd90cc3c028a49b5ef357460893ce3d0ea6299c220cb8e28beccac6f2a21a59e442ffffffff01d08f7804000000001976a9145b2b9a0454143aebce65efc1725d40eba935b9ed88ac00000000

you can either use a bitcoin wallet or any of these links to push this format to the network (at the moment i think only blockcypher lets you push zero fees transactions others will reject.

* i said this to show you even if the transaction is dropped out of memepool (like the error you saw on blockchain.info page) you can still send this transcation even if you have lost access to your previous wallet since this tx is already signed.

[dssctv]

Thanks guys. Will contact that member.