Both Democrats & Republicans Agree - The VP Debate Was a KaineWreck!

[allthingsluxury]

Wow, I have to say, I haven't seen such a horrible debate defeat in a long time. Tim Kaine and Mike Pence squared off in one of the most anticipated VP Debates in modern history. This debate was so highly anticipated, and sought after due to the high unfavorability of both primary candidates, Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.

Typically, the VP debate is thought of to "not matter" and to be "inconsequential", but was not the case last night, as a massive amount of undecided voters still remains in the voting pool. Unfortunately for the Hillary Clinton campaign and for Tim Kaine, the latter was an epic disappointment.

Tim Kaine came off nervous, aggressive (in all the wrong ways) and flustered. He interrupted Mike Pence a stunning 70 times! As he constantly attempted to drown out Pence any chance he got and certainly anytime that Pence brought up anything remotely negative in regards to Hillary Clinton.

This fact was noticed by the audience in real time, pundits on both the Democratic side and the Republican side, as well as independents shook their heads in disdain as Tim Kaine crashed and burned. In fact, I am actually having an incredibly difficult time finding any article that fully defends Tim Kaine, even when looking at horribly left leaning news sites...


Read the full article here:

http://www.goldsilverliberty.com/2016/10/both-democrats-and-republicans-agree.html

[tvbcof]

I think it's clear that Pence won easily on style and on 'substance'.  I think (and hope) that Pence's job was almost exclusively to shore up the political right, and if so, he is doing this with competence.  The debate was a good example.

To me, the 'touchstone' about a quality in a politician in 2016 is their stance on TPP.  It tells me in abbreviated form if a candidate is a globalist or a nationalist.  At the very least support of TPP indicates that a candidate is lazy, ignorant, or can be bought-off.  Kaine or basically anyone on the Dem side can be assumed to be a hard-core globalist minion so there are no surprises here.  Pence is at least highly suspect in this however.

I was unsurprised that the moderator failed to bring up the TPP issue.  Anyone who could possibly be chosen from the mainstream media world is certain to be a globalist minion as well, and this is not a discussion that any of them want to be having right now.

In my mind, Trump was the winner for a reason I've not heard anyone express.  Pences' stance on various of the Syria and ISIS problem/solutions, and certain others, differed notably from those of Trump, and I personally find Pences' (and of course Kaines') ideas here abysmal.  This tells me that Trump is not surrounding himself with yes-men or telling his hires that they must adopt his own ideas and this is, in my mind, the mark of a strong leader of the type we need.

[allthingsluxury]

I think it's clear that Pence won easily on style and on 'substance'.  I think (and hope) that Pence's job was almost exclusively to shore up the political right, and if so, he is doing this with competence.  The debate was a good example.

To me, the 'touchstone' about a quality in a politician in 2016 is their stance on TPP.  It tells me in abbreviated form if a candidate is a globalist or a nationalist.  At the very least support of TPP indicates that a candidate is lazy, ignorant, or can be bought-off.  Kaine or basically anyone on the Dem side can be assumed to be a hard-core globalist minion so there are no surprises here.  Pence is at least highly suspect in this however.

I was unsurprised that the moderator failed to bring up the TPP issue.  Anyone who could possibly be chosen from the mainstream media world is certain to be a globalist minion as well, and this is not a discussion that any of them want to be having right now.

In my mind, Trump was the winner for a reason I've not heard anyone express.  Pences' stance on various of the Syria and ISIS problem/solutions, and certain others, differed notably from those of Trump, and I personally find Pences' (and of course Kaines') ideas here abysmal.  This tells me that Trump is not surrounding himself with yes-men or telling his hires that they must adopt his own ideas and this is, in my mind, the mark of a strong leader of the type we need.

I completely agree, you know that Hillary is only negative on TPP now pandering to Bernie supporters. She has called them "Basement Dwellers" and Trump supporters a "Basket of Deplorables". This is a woman that has no love for the American people. She is going to ram TPP down America's throat as soon as she is in office. You can rest assured of that.

[birareru1988]

Don't like saying it. Trump says the specific facts. Hillary is bad and all. He does not understand how to lead the state.

[tvbcof]

I completely agree, you know that Hillary is only negative on TPP now pandering to Bernie supporters. She has called them "Basement Dwellers" and Trump supporters a "Basket of Deplorables". This is a woman that has no love for the American people. She is going to ram TPP down America's throat as soon as she is in office. You can rest assured of that.

Worse than 'no love', I think it likely at this point that she has genuine hatred for us.  With an extra helping of utter contempt for her few actual pleb class supporters.

Hillary has demonstrated time and time again that she and her business partner Bill will sell anything to anyone.  I don't rule out that she would not even charge money for 'we the people' just out of spite and vindictiveness.  She (or more accurately, her animators) might simply skip the TPP step and move straight to the next phase.

If Hillary is installed according to plan, I won't be surprised to see it be worse than even the more fringe groups imagine.  For my part I'll be preparing as best I can to be ready for anything, but there is a fair chance that even that won't be enough.  This person is bad bad news.

[xht]

Why does Pence continue with those lies? The American people know  If they do their research, they will know Trump/Pence are liars who care only about themselves.

[tvbcof]

Why does Pence continue with those lies? The American people know  If they do their research, they will know Trump/Pence are liars who care only about themselves.

The jury is out on this (where-as it is crystal clear with the Clintons.)  Pence is a career politician who has supported things which indicate that he is a typical for sale one.  The main hope I see for the guy is that he does seem to stand on principles so if his principles are or get right when the chips are down, he might do the right thing.  Kaine, OTOH, gives every indication of being a weasel.

Trump has no reason to go into politics for money, and indeed it puts his wealth and his life at risk to do so as well as that of his family.  For 30 years he's been saying that he would only do it as a last resort to try to turn the country away from an iceberg.  I'd say there is at least a 50% chance that he is 'for real' in this.  I'd say the chances of an iceberg dead ahead are up in the 90%'s.  The odds that Trump could avoid a collision even if he is for real are not great, but better by a large margin than I expected to see.  I'm actually more interested in who's in charge after a devastating collision at this point, and the few persons who have impressed me in this is actually Flynn and one or two of the other military guys Trump has scared up, and Sessions who was the one guy who actually seems to have gotten off his ass and bothered to study the TPP to the extent possible.

[marilyngroom]

At least they got to sit down.

[Tyrantt]

Why does Pence continue with those lies? The American people know  If they do their research, they will know Trump/Pence are liars who care only about themselves.

Why do Clintons continue with those lies? The American people know  If they do their research, they will know Clintons are liars who care only about themselves.

there, I've fixed it for you.

[allthingsluxury]

Why does Pence continue with those lies? The American people know  If they do their research, they will know Trump/Pence are liars who care only about themselves.

Why do Clintons continue with those lies? The American people know  If they do their research, they will know Clintons are liars who care only about themselves.

there, I've fixed it for you.

The Clintons have made careers out of effectively screwing people over. Pay to play is not a conspiracy, thousands of leaked emails show that this is status quo in regards to how they operate. Does this mean other politicians don't do it? Absolutely NOT, but what it does show is that she is not the "change" people are looking for and a complete overhaul of our system is desperately needed.