[ANN]ceal.io - decentralized information and messaging network - crowdfund live

[drays]

Bonus rewards are:
1 week   33% bonus (please specify the exact start/stop days/hours/timezone!!)
1 week   20% bonus (please specify the exact start/stop days/hours/timezone!!)
2 weeks 12% bonus (please specify the exact start/stop days/hours/timezone!!)
2 weeks regular (please specify the exact start/stop days/hours/timezone!!)

*early supporter from round #1 get additional 15% if they keep backup-amount in escrow.
notice: You can make a deposit to ceal.io anytime - this will still qualify you for stage 1 bonus reward (1/3 more coins).

*letters in red are added by me

Now this is completely confusing. Additional 15% to which number? There is a plethora of different ways to interpret this. Why this should be formulated in such an unclear way?
There is a undefined terminology used here. Am I correct when assuming this: "round #1" - is the timeframe of <Oct 12-Nov 6>, "stage 1" is the 1-st week of "round #2" (dates here, please!)

ca333, please confirm this interpretation from kwest is correct:

The 10% of all tokens is no longer valid, we realized that it was a bad idea. So the early supporters get a 15% bonus if they remain in escrow. And it's NOT 15% of all tokens, just a bonus. In other words, people that join the new ICO in the first week gets 33% bonus. Early adopters that remain in escrow get 33 + 15 = 48% bonus.

And if it is correct, please specify exactly which investors will get those 48%! There are at least two ways to interpret this:
Option 1: the ones who invested in 9 days of 'early investor' bonus (Oct 12 - Oct 21)
Option 2: the ones who invested before you posted this update (Oct 12 - Nov 6)

Which one is correct (if any)?

PS. Please be more specific in what you post. I understand you are not economist or lawyer, but anything said, should be said the way so it allows only one interpretation... I hope you are more precise when you're coding...

EDIT: One additional question: did you agree your changes with SebastianJu? What you specified above could affect the escrow agreement (specifically - the dates on roadmap, which escrow agreement refers to), so this should be agreed with escrow to see if he doesn't see obstacles here.

[ca333]

Now this is completely confusing. Additional 15% to which number? There is a plethora of different ways to interpret this. Why this should be formulated in such an unclear way?
There is a undefined terminology used here. Am I correct when assuming this: "round #1" - is the timeframe of <Oct 12-Nov 6>, "stage 1" is the 1-st week of "round #2" (dates here, please!)

ca333, please confirm this interpretation from kwest is correct:

The 10% of all tokens is no longer valid, we realized that it was a bad idea. So the early supporters get a 15% bonus if they remain in escrow. And it's NOT 15% of all tokens, just a bonus. In other words, people that join the new ICO in the first week gets 33% bonus. Early adopters that remain in escrow get 33 + 15 = 48% bonus.

/confirmed

And if it is correct, please specify exactly which investors will get those 48%! There are at least two ways to interpret this:
Option 1: the ones who invested in 9 days of 'early investor' bonus (Oct 12 - Oct 21)
Option 2: the ones who invested before you posted this update (Oct 12 - Nov 6)

Which one is correct (if any)?

PS. Please be more specific in what you post. I understand you are not economist or lawyer, but anything said, should be said the way so it allows only one interpretation... I hope you are more precise when you're coding...

EDIT: One additional question: did you agree your changes with SebastianJu? What you specified above could affect the escrow agreement (specifically - the dates on roadmap, which escrow agreement refers to), so this should be agreed with escrow to see if he doesn't see obstacles here.

It should not be confusing. The wording was choosen precise and should not leave big space for interpretations. I apologize if it was not clear enough from subjective perspective.

Correct, round #1 was the first run. Everybody who invested before we made the update get the 48% bonus. The exact dates get set when we release the token-layer (like aforementioned: this month).

I hope you are more precise when you're coding...

- there is no reason of becoming offensive. As i told: I apologize for any inconvenience. I hope all is clear now.
 
Yes all was discussed and agreed with SebastianJu.

[singalone]

no update ?  

We informed all supporters that we are temporary halting the crowdfund campaign. Each supporters can choose between refund or keeping funds in escrow plus bonus on ico-relaunch. The ico relaunch will take place on release of layer #4 token network. We changed the timeframe to 6 weeks total funding-campaign starting in november (this month). Bonus rewards are:
1 week   33% bonus
1 week   20% bonus
2 weeks 12% bonus
2 weeks regular

*early supporter from round #1 get additional 15% if they keep backup-amount in escrow.


We came to the conclusion that this step is the best for this project and its ecosystem and to proof technical competence on our side.

notice: You can make a deposit to ceal.io anytime - this will still qualify you for stage 1 bonus reward (1/3 more coins).

I think that a relaunch without token selling for those who already invested is not a fair way to go with.

If the ICO don't meet the goal I assume a more fair way is to decrease it's goal and distribute only part of the token for initial supporters. Then you built your self a small community + nice amount of money to pay developers to continue their work for few more months + adding PR member to improve marketing. Then few weeks later (once development has progressed + community awareness is higher) make the actual ICO with the rest of the tokens.
This initial ICO should become an early adopters or a pre sale. That way you don't harm those who believed in you before others did, otherwise it is just greedy.

Appreciate your response to that Ceal dev. Thanks and have  great day all

I fully understand your point. But to distribute 10% of total coin supply upon this small group of people and for the value of the funded amount brings no benefit to the project and marketsituation. We do of course respect the early supporter, who like you say, believed in us from the first moment. This people will get a special reward for this like I did explain in my previous answer to have a exclusive benefit.

thank you,
ca333

The new bonus is atractive, more competitive than 1st bonus structure, will attract more investors.

[chinadaye]

@ca333

How  to refund?

[3JOH22A]

I Check for Escrow balance, Then looking for this TX ID : 4013acfce9b3513ca57c144a5bcefb5142ddacafc68b4a7891a7b832c05287bc . What's for?

[killerjoegreece]

The Greek translation is complete and posted

here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1659798.msg16665541#msg16665541

and here

http://bitcoingarden.tk/forum/index.php?topic=10897.msg126560#msg126560

add the translation to the op guys! It was completed sometime ago

[jamalaezaz]

The Greek translation is complete and posted

here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1659798.msg16665541#msg16665541

and here

http://bitcoingarden.tk/forum/index.php?topic=10897.msg126560#msg126560

add the translation to the op guys! It was completed sometime ago

don't worry. we will..

[drays]

Nice to hear from you, jamalaezal. Could you please answer the two other questions asked earlier  on this page..?
1. what is the procedure to get refund (its not like I have decided to do that right now, but would be nice to have the option available and procedure explained, so investors feel safe)
2. Do you know where the money from the escrow wallet have gone to (https://blockchain.info/address/3Gibs2RC9Lg2XkK7LnuoWaXn5VfAAdMFh7)?

Shouldn't 20% be released when the layer 4 is ready and tokens are distributed to participants? I don't see tokens being distributed already... Should we ask SebastianJu to explain this..?

[jamalaezaz]

Nice to hear from you, jamalaezal. Could you please answer the two other questions asked earlier  on this page..?
1. what is the procedure to get refund (not that I have decided to do that right now, but would be nice to have the option available and ready)
2. Do you know where the money from the escrow wallet have gone to (https://blockchain.info/address/3Gibs2RC9Lg2XkK7LnuoWaXn5VfAAdMFh7)?

Shouldn't 20% be released when the layer 4 is ready and tokens are distributed to participants? I don't see tokens being distributed already... Should we ask SebastianJu to explain this..?

well, these questions are basically belong to development department. so Ca333 or Kwest can give you a better Answers..

about the escrow funds. Only 5 BTC sent to an internal addrees. ..
 https://blockchain.info/address/3Gibs2RC9Lg2XkK7LnuoWaXn5VfAAdMFh7

Honestly I don't know where they moved.. May be it is moved to escrow him self as his fee. but Ca333 or Kwest can give you a accurate answer.

Hope they'll reach to you shortly and clarify this.

Thank You.

[kwest]

Nice to hear from you, jamalaezal. Could you please answer the two other questions asked earlier  on this page..?
1. what is the procedure to get refund (its not like I have decided to do that right now, but would be nice to have the option available and procedure explained, so investors feel safe)
2. Do you know where the money from the escrow wallet have gone to (https://blockchain.info/address/3Gibs2RC9Lg2XkK7LnuoWaXn5VfAAdMFh7)?

Shouldn't 20% be released when the layer 4 is ready and tokens are distributed to participants? I don't see tokens being distributed already... Should we ask SebastianJu to explain this..?

1. My guess is to PM SebastianJu. Or contact ca333 here or on slack. Feel free to join slack if you have more questions also, I see it quicker than in this thread (this goes for everyone!)

2. The only money that has moved from the escrow address are refunds.

[killerjoegreece]

The Greek translation is complete and posted

here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1659798.msg16665541#msg16665541

and here

http://bitcoingarden.tk/forum/index.php?topic=10897.msg126560#msg126560

add the translation to the op guys! It was completed sometime ago

don't worry. we will..

Awesome thanks for the heads up. Keep up the good work!

[327037584]

Hi, ca333:
I as early investors to participate in your project, I want to return the money now, hope your project success.
The return address:1B8vxvHfc9whEkhKyUoE9fMVNUbAaKehfU
https://blockchain.info/tx/c499abc4b14b531bc4e4cee35de4252a47dbfe9fefe7e2772bd4903be065c42e
https://blockchain.info/address/18E5VsydCB4RCXvZR1dpSspskhKYa7xfc

[chinadaye]

Hi, ca333:
I as early investors to participate in your project, I want to return the money now, hope your project success.
The return address:1AQYG1eZDLVLvpuhzxeKKQU8HdjyeZPro1

https://blockchain.info/tx/901aedc6d786e364c9497e13e9cd95b426788b0138bfc80c65aa6e3da3cf8bc4

[ParmaBTC]

Hi, ca333:
I as early investors to participate in your project, I want to return the money now, hope your project success.
The return address:1B8vxvHfc9whEkhKyUoE9fMVNUbAaKehfU
https://blockchain.info/tx/c499abc4b14b531bc4e4cee35de4252a47dbfe9fefe7e2772bd4903be065c42e
https://blockchain.info/address/18E5VsydCB4RCXvZR1dpSspskhKYa7xfc

Hi, ca333:
I as early investors to participate in your project, I want to return the money now, hope your project success.
The return address:1AQYG1eZDLVLvpuhzxeKKQU8HdjyeZPro1

https://blockchain.info/tx/901aedc6d786e364c9497e13e9cd95b426788b0138bfc80c65aa6e3da3cf8bc4

Hy guys, if you want to be refunded you need to write directly to escrow SebastianJu, After giving proof you own your bitcoin sent address escrow will refund invested money. This is the procedure if i remeber it correctly

[ca333]

Hi, ca333:
I as early investors to participate in your project, I want to return the money now, hope your project success.
The return address:1B8vxvHfc9whEkhKyUoE9fMVNUbAaKehfU
https://blockchain.info/tx/c499abc4b14b531bc4e4cee35de4252a47dbfe9fefe7e2772bd4903be065c42e
https://blockchain.info/address/18E5VsydCB4RCXvZR1dpSspskhKYa7xfc

Hi, ca333:
I as early investors to participate in your project, I want to return the money now, hope your project success.
The return address:1AQYG1eZDLVLvpuhzxeKKQU8HdjyeZPro1

https://blockchain.info/tx/901aedc6d786e364c9497e13e9cd95b426788b0138bfc80c65aa6e3da3cf8bc4

Hy guys, if you want to be refunded you need to write directly to escrow SebastianJu, After giving proof you own your bitcoin sent address escrow will refund invested money. This is the procedure if i remeber it correctly

exact. Thank you for clarifying this. Please conctact direct our escrow agent or PM me for instructions. You have to proof ownership of signing address of deposit. If i am not wrong, you can also request refund to origin fund-source address.

Nice to hear from you, jamalaezal. Could you please answer the two other questions asked earlier  on this page..?
1. what is the procedure to get refund (its not like I have decided to do that right now, but would be nice to have the option available and procedure explained, so investors feel safe)
2. Do you know where the money from the escrow wallet have gone to (https://blockchain.info/address/3Gibs2RC9Lg2XkK7LnuoWaXn5VfAAdMFh7)?

Shouldn't 20% be released when the layer 4 is ready and tokens are distributed to participants? I don't see tokens being distributed already... Should we ask SebastianJu to explain this..?

Hello drays. Procedure is to contact SebastianJu and proof him ownership. Any funds moving away from escrow address until official ico relaunch, are refunds to users.

[chinadaye]

Hi, ca333:
I as early investors to participate in your project, I want to return the money now, hope your project success.
The return address:1B8vxvHfc9whEkhKyUoE9fMVNUbAaKehfU
https://blockchain.info/tx/c499abc4b14b531bc4e4cee35de4252a47dbfe9fefe7e2772bd4903be065c42e
https://blockchain.info/address/18E5VsydCB4RCXvZR1dpSspskhKYa7xfc

Hi, ca333:
I as early investors to participate in your project, I want to return the money now, hope your project success.
The return address:1AQYG1eZDLVLvpuhzxeKKQU8HdjyeZPro1

https://blockchain.info/tx/901aedc6d786e364c9497e13e9cd95b426788b0138bfc80c65aa6e3da3cf8bc4

Hy guys, if you want to be refunded you need to write directly to escrow SebastianJu, After giving proof you own your bitcoin sent address escrow will refund invested money. This is the procedure if i remeber it correctly

@ca333
How to return to my btc? I was in your official website registered in ico channel transfer inside, transfer address is provided by your site.

Hi, SebastianJu、ca333:
I as early investors to participate in your project, I want to return the money now, hope your project success.
The return address:1AQYG1eZDLVLvpuhzxeKKQU8HdjyeZPro1

https://blockchain.info/tx/901aedc6d786e364c9497e13e9cd95b426788b0138bfc80c65aa6e3da3cf8bc4

What project do you speak about? In any case when I hold your coins in escrow I would need more than a tid and a refund address because everyone could send me such an address and claim it is his investment. So that he could try to scam legitimate investors.

ceal
Ceal this project, because ico did not do a good publicity, leading to financing is not ideal, ca333 with all investors that can be refunded, and let me e-mail contact you

1.18440131 BTC      My btt account ID after the four digits is 0131


SebastianJu  tell   me：

Your account id is matching though it does not look like a transactions to a investment address: 1DWdCy3TqmTSAoZ6ruxGTwrjthFsDKQ7K

The funds were not send to the escrow address. The following address did. This is not how the investments went through their way.

[SebastianJu]

Hi, ca333:
I as early investors to participate in your project, I want to return the money now, hope your project success.
The return address:1B8vxvHfc9whEkhKyUoE9fMVNUbAaKehfU
https://blockchain.info/tx/c499abc4b14b531bc4e4cee35de4252a47dbfe9fefe7e2772bd4903be065c42e
https://blockchain.info/address/18E5VsydCB4RCXvZR1dpSspskhKYa7xfc

Hi, ca333:
I as early investors to participate in your project, I want to return the money now, hope your project success.
The return address:1AQYG1eZDLVLvpuhzxeKKQU8HdjyeZPro1

https://blockchain.info/tx/901aedc6d786e364c9497e13e9cd95b426788b0138bfc80c65aa6e3da3cf8bc4

Hy guys, if you want to be refunded you need to write directly to escrow SebastianJu, After giving proof you own your bitcoin sent address escrow will refund invested money. This is the procedure if i remeber it correctly

@ca333
How to return to my btc? I was in your official website registered in ico channel transfer inside, transfer address is provided by your site.

Hi, SebastianJu、ca333:
I as early investors to participate in your project, I want to return the money now, hope your project success.
The return address:1AQYG1eZDLVLvpuhzxeKKQU8HdjyeZPro1

https://blockchain.info/tx/901aedc6d786e364c9497e13e9cd95b426788b0138bfc80c65aa6e3da3cf8bc4

What project do you speak about? In any case when I hold your coins in escrow I would need more than a tid and a refund address because everyone could send me such an address and claim it is his investment. So that he could try to scam legitimate investors.

ceal
Ceal this project, because ico did not do a good publicity, leading to financing is not ideal, ca333 with all investors that can be refunded, and let me e-mail contact you

1.18440131 BTC      My btt account ID after the four digits is 0131


SebastianJu  tell   me：

Your account id is matching though it does not look like a transactions to a investment address: 1DWdCy3TqmTSAoZ6ruxGTwrjthFsDKQ7K

The funds were not send to the escrow address. The following address did. This is not how the investments went through their way.

Would like to add, you proofed a transaction to an address that then sent to another address which seems to be a investor deposit address at ceal io because the funds were forwarded to escrow address. Though you should proof the transaction to the investors deposit address. Maybe ca333 can clear things up.

[ca333]

/shortened

Would like to add, you proofed a transaction to an address that then sent to another address which seems to be a investor deposit address at ceal io because the funds were forwarded to escrow address. Though you should proof the transaction to the investors deposit address. Maybe ca333 can clear things up.

I pmed you both. This should be cleared now. There was a manual transaction of two deposits which i forwarded from an internal address which lead to this misunderstanding. I apologize for any unpleasantness.

[MbakNarti]

So...how about participant of signature camapign? still continue or just delay/paused?

[jamalaezaz]

So...how about participant of signature camapign? still continue or just delay/paused?

paused.. I'll restart signature campaign soon.. keep your eyes here for more update.
Thank You.