Bitcoin is being invaded by Leftists

[RealBitcoin]

I am a Hero of Bitcoin, I have been on this forum for almost 3 years, with an older account that I lost before creating this one. In my 3 years of Bitcoin journey I have seen a dramatic shift in the demographics and the political ideology of bitcoin users, and this worries me a lot.

3 years ago this forum used to be very libertarian with tons of good people around here promoting personal and financial freedom ideas, many of these old people are not even active anymore or rarely come online. It was the core of bitcoin users, probably early whales, but also very inspirational people.

Now in since 2014, but definitely since 2015, I have observed the increasing number of leftists on this forum posting nonsense and trying to hijack bitcoin. Now there are 2 kinds of leftist: the trendy leftist & the activist leftist. The trendy one is probably just interested in the technology, and the social aspect, this is ok.

The one I find dangerous is the activist leftist. They are essentially trying to make bitcoin a socialist/communist system through installing a democracy to govern it.

And this can be seen with the whole 2mb block debate (used to be 8mb and so on), but also I've seen several people agreeing to modifying the 21 million limit ,essentially creating a fiat money system to "redistribute wealth". I am not making this up, this is really this bad, these people are literally thiefs, leftists love to shoplift for example, and not just love it, but they actually ideologically promote it. Now I wonder what kind of ideology these bitcoin scammers have, I bet most of them are leftists too.

So we are being invaded by hordes of thieves, and their activism is stronger and stronger, look how many people cry out for banning Theymos or censoring posts on /r/btc subreddit that call them out on their BS.

The left loves censorship & propaganda.


What is next? Installing a Pension System into the bitcoin protocol? Automatic wealth redistribution? They would want it all if they could get away with it.

So if you are a wealthy bitcoin holder, you are a primary victim of this. I am not wealthy but I don't want bitcoin to fall into a leftist hellhole because then it will be guaranteed destroyed.

If you hold a lot of coins, this should concern you a lot, the more dumb people come into Bitcoin, the easier is to setup a Democracy, where obviously the majority will outvote you, and your money will get confiscated by them.

So after seeing all the stupid people rush into Bitcoin in the past 2 years, this became very concerning to me, and I fear this is a fundamental risk of bitcoin that nobody talks about.

The left is always cunning and manipulative and their power is in their numbers, they want you to believe that they are your friends but they are not, they just want to steal your money.

Bitcoin should stay ungoverned, but the more leftist join us, the more easy it will be to install a leftist democratic governance on Bitcoin.



How is this manifested in Bitcoin?

• Large blocksize = Leftists fail to recognize that a 2mb blocksize renders node operators a huge burden because they actually have to manage their own limited resources
• Whining about big fees = Bitcoin fees are like 10 cent compared to like 4-5% + 5$ at major card company payments, yet they still complain that it's too much and cant make this tiny sacrifice for the benefit of bitcoin
• Wealth redistribution = In altcoins, people constantly while about premine, and would love equal redistribution of coins, and sometimes even extend this to bitcoin as well
• Democratic Bitcoin = they constantly want to push for a democratic governance of bitcoin, whining about Core, and they want to essentially "steal" away the rights from Core (that is their private property) over their property. Also complaining about Blockstream, and inventing bogeyman stories about them.
• Conspiracy theories about Blockstream = yes I saw many people here inventing conspiracy theories about Blockstream and the devs that work for them, this is a classical propaganda tool of the left to discredit good people
• Censorship = this is their favorite tool, just see how many posts have been censored at /r/btc
• Lying to fit the narrative = yes they don't shy away from this too, people have been caught fabricating nonsense statistics about the bitcoin network to push for a hardfork
• 5-year old behavior = when caught in the bullshit, they get angry and turn their back on bitcoin, and start attacking it, for not fitting their personal ideas. They are not loyal to bitcoin if they cant shape it into their worldview, and become enemies of bitcoin very quickly.

Democracy is the worst thing that can happen to Bitcoin, that will be the end of Bitcoin


"Democracy is indispensable to socialism." - Lenin

"The goal of socialism is communism." - Lenin


So forget about 51% attack risk, and quantum computers, democracy is the biggest enemy of bitcoin!

[franky1]

realbitcoin. many times you have shown you want a dictatorship. you have made your "righty" opinions obvious many times
righty want dictatorship

you love propaganda and fake information always unspins itself and shows your true motives.. you lack understanding of real information and will do anything to try getting bitcoin into a dictatorship
the real funny part is your love of blockstream who are actually wanting to create a system for the bankers/pensions industry.
im not sure where you were planning to bait the libertarians of wanting to do this. but i can foresee you trying to suggest it to hide your real allegiances and desire of such.

im not sure if you have finally jumped off the blockstream boat and seen sense, or your under the delusion that shouting out propaganda that blockstream are gods and their dictatorship is a positive.
but reality shows that blockstream are a dictatorship, which is far worse then a democracy and far worse than a libertarian concept.

i know you want to avoid a democracy, but i feel you will use that buzzword to subtly sway people into your ideal dictatorship, under the pretence its liberty simply by saying "its not democracy"

i have never read a single post from you that makes me feel you are interested in liberty. and no control

if you think your dictatorship ideals is the path to liberty. then i feel sorry for you.

by the way. righties hate libertarian.
Researchers have also said that the Right includes capitalists, anti-communists, conservatives, neoconservatives, neoliberals, nationalists, imperialists, monarchists, fascists, racial supremacists, reactionaries, religious fundamentalists, social authoritarians

so again you really want to have a closed off system that works only for capitalists and has an imperial leader, a king, a religion

you have no clue about decentralized, open, no barrier for entry, libertarian based concepts. you just want FIAT2.0

[RealBitcoin]

im not sure if you have finally jumped off the blockstream boat and seen sense, or your under the delusion that shouting out propaganda that blockstream are gods and their dictatorship is a positive.

Blockstream is not a dictatorship, anyone can basically create a wallet and since Core has 91.7% dominance, it shows that people voluntarly have chosen Core:

https://coin.dance/blocks


What I fear is that the left will aggressively push for socialist hardforks either with propaganda, censorship , manipulation, sabotage or other tools that they always like to use.

[franky1]

im not sure if you have finally jumped off the blockstream boat and seen sense, or your under the delusion that shouting out propaganda that blockstream are gods and their dictatorship is a positive.

Blockstream is not a dictatorship, anyone can basically create a wallet and since Core has 91.7% dominance, it shows that people voluntarly have chosen Core:

https://coin.dance/blocks
What I fear is that the left will aggressively push for socialist hardforks either with propaganda, manipulation, sabotage or other tools that they always like to use.

91% dominance=dictatorship.

where is your libertarian mindset in anything you have just posted. you seem to have posted a pure dictatorship desire. defending blockstream even when using stats that show that blockstream is dominant..

again where is your libertarian ideals??
im even laughing.
first you attack democracy
then you attack socialists
then you attach communists..

but you wont attack dictatorship.
you pretend to be against it by saying that any libertarian, socialist, must be the opposite. but you fail to attack the real dictatorship of the codebases.

there is no single piece of evidence that you want open, decentralized, diverse , no barrier to entry, libertarian ideals.
your just trying to scar people into joining your dictatorship ideals by pretending anything not dictating, must be bad. (hypocrite)

[RealBitcoin]

im not sure if you have finally jumped off the blockstream boat and seen sense, or your under the delusion that shouting out propaganda that blockstream are gods and their dictatorship is a positive.

Blockstream is not a dictatorship, anyone can basically create a wallet and since Core has 91.7% dominance, it shows that people voluntarly have chosen Core:

https://coin.dance/blocks
What I fear is that the left will aggressively push for socialist hardforks either with propaganda, manipulation, sabotage or other tools that they always like to use.

91% dominance=dictatorship.

where is your libertarian mindset in anything you have just posted. you seem to have posted a pure dictatorship desire. defending blockstream even when using stats that show that blockstream is dominant..

again where is your libertarian ideals??

No, dictatoship is imposed by force, this is voluntary ,as I said above.

91% dominance means that Core has proven itself to be the most trusted and reliable software to run the nodes on, and essentially the entire network.

It's not Blockstream's fault that the other wallets are crappy socialist ones that cant compete with Core.

[Meuh6879]

Bitcoin Network always win because of the initial rules and innovation of developpers.

Bitcoin is not the 1%.
Bitcoin is legion.

[Meuh6879]

91% dominance=dictatorship.

again where is your libertarian ideals??

1 network is not dictatorship.
you can use many other wallet to use this network.

like all P2P network on the web (work without it, too).

And Bitcoin ... is not skynet.

[franky1]

1 network is not dictatorship.
you can use many other wallet to use this network.

yes we should diversify and have many different codebases of nodes. that is the libertarian and decentralized mindset i like to see.
but the OP wants one "core" codebase to rule the network.

[RealBitcoin]

1 network is not dictatorship.
you can use many other wallet to use this network.

yes we should diversify and have many different codebases of nodes. that is the libertarian and decentralized mindset i like to see.
but the OP wants one "core" codebase to rule the network.

No it's competition and the winner is Core.

I mean you seriously think something like Knots wallet has any chance of beating Core:
http://bitcoinknots.org/

It has a GAMBILNG SPAM FILTER built in it. That sounds like something taken out of the Communist Manifesto. They just censor any transaction they seem fit, arbitrarly, if it might be connected to gambling. Marx would be proud of them.

So really all other full wallets are a joke.

[franky1]

1 network is not dictatorship.
you can use many other wallet to use this network.

yes we should diversify and have many different codebases of nodes. that is the libertarian and decentralized mindset i like to see.
but the OP wants one "core" codebase to rule the network.

No it's competition and the winner is Core.

I mean you seriously think something like Knots wallet has any chance of beating Core:
http://bitcoinknots.org/

It has a GAMBILNG SPAM FILTER built in it. That sounds like something taken out of the Communist Manifesto. They just censor any transaction they seem fit, arbitrarly, if it might be connected to gambling. Marx would be proud of them.

So really all other full wallets are a joke.

its should not be a competition..
its should be working side by side to decentralize, and ensure no one controls bitcoin

wait. here we go.. i see your subtle hints.. you are now saying bitcoin IS a democracy (election vote for leader competition) but you prefer it to be a dictatorship, one winner that controls everything?

seriously buy yourself a book that explains political terms.
you still have not shown any proof of libertarian ideals.

if you wanted liberty you would want several different codebases that ensures no one dominates/dictates/centralizes bitcoin.

good luck, but you have failed to sway anyone over to thinking a dictatorship is a libertarian ideology.

[pedrog]

You spend too much time online, if you get a life you'll realize none of that insignificant shit you're whining about is meaningful.

Seriously, get a life.

[NeuroticFish]

This forum has became very popular. And the rising amount of spam comes with the popularity.
There are paid posters for various reasons everywhere. Some call it guerrilla marketing. That happens for products as well as for ideas, ideologies and politics.
It's known that Russia has its posters and I am sure that others have its own.
Now the elections in US are near and make the things even worse.

But it's only spam. Filter it out and move on, not much else to do.

[Carlton Banks]

The left/right isn't a political spectrum, it's a divide and conquer tactic, whereby liberalism gets split into economic liberalism and social liberalism, and then one side is fed arguments about why the other is the source of all problems.

The best approach is to never use the left/right concept, as you're always going to look like a reflexive partisan, one step away from using the non-argument "you're just one of them!"

This is why libertarianism and the various other anarchy inspired political ideologies are popular among Bitcoiners; they appear to be left-right blind, taking ideas from the left or the right as long as they promote liberty.

[coindancer]

please don't bring this talk about left or right or religion into bitcoin. it is "just" a way of paying that everybody can use.
bringing bitcoin into these kind of conflicts can cause serious damage, because if they think bitcoin is on way or the other there will be no united front and bitcoin will lose strength.

[RealBitcoin]

please don't bring this talk about left or right or religion into bitcoin. it is "just" a way of paying that everybody can use.
bringing bitcoin into these kind of conflicts can cause serious damage, because if they think bitcoin is on way or the other there will be no united front and bitcoin will lose strength.

But there are people there actively working to destroy bitcoin, unconsciously, their stupid ideas will destroy bitcoin if they get implemented.

They push their stupid ideas no matter how insane they sound, and they have big support:  /r/btc

[Carlton Banks]

good luck, but you have failed to sway anyone over to thinking a dictatorship is a libertarian ideology.

Property rights are an essential part of Libertarian philosophy. And property rights literally are a dictatorship.

Democracy is not an essential part of Libertarian philosophy (free market rules, not politics)



What you've been saying is that the property rights of the people running this business (core Bitcoin developers) should be usurped for the democratic will of the business' customers (Bitcoin users). Not Libertarian, Franky.

It's kind of ironic, because you're trying this with an orgnaisation that provides a service also close to Libertarians hearts: sound money. You're advocating a hostile takeover of a sound money business, and you're actively soliciting customers of the business to support you.

Here's the worst part of all: you're using deception to convince those customers, a violation of the main article of Libertarian faith, the Non-Aggression principle.

So if you're just about done butchering Libertarian principles, any chance of letting people who aren't trolling Bitcoin some space to breathe? Because you talk so much, and yet say so little.

[coindancer]

please don't bring this talk about left or right or religion into bitcoin. it is "just" a way of paying that everybody can use.
bringing bitcoin into these kind of conflicts can cause serious damage, because if they think bitcoin is on way or the other there will be no united front and bitcoin will lose strength.

But there are people there actively working to destroy bitcoin, unconsciously, their stupid ideas will destroy bitcoin if they get implemented.

They push their stupid ideas no matter how insane they sound, and they have big support:  /r/btc

we need to educate not only the non bitcoin people but also the ones using bitcoin. they need to understand it and not only follow blindly some opinions. and if they understand it and still chose a path that leads into destruction then maybe we deserve that.

[RealBitcoin]

please don't bring this talk about left or right or religion into bitcoin. it is "just" a way of paying that everybody can use.
bringing bitcoin into these kind of conflicts can cause serious damage, because if they think bitcoin is on way or the other there will be no united front and bitcoin will lose strength.

But there are people there actively working to destroy bitcoin, unconsciously, their stupid ideas will destroy bitcoin if they get implemented.

They push their stupid ideas no matter how insane they sound, and they have big support:  /r/btc

we need to educate not only the non bitcoin people but also the ones using bitcoin. they need to understand it and not only follow blindly some opinions. and if they understand it and still chose a path that leads into destruction then maybe we deserve that.

I dont think you understand the severity of the situation:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/

These are scum people who are actively destroying bitcoin, its as if you bought a brand new car, and your neighbors suddenly start hitting it with dirt and start scratching it, what would you do? Educate them? Hahaha.

No we need to stand up against these evil people and stop being manipulated by them like a bunch of sheeps.

[coindancer]

please don't bring this talk about left or right or religion into bitcoin. it is "just" a way of paying that everybody can use.
bringing bitcoin into these kind of conflicts can cause serious damage, because if they think bitcoin is on way or the other there will be no united front and bitcoin will lose strength.

But there are people there actively working to destroy bitcoin, unconsciously, their stupid ideas will destroy bitcoin if they get implemented.

They push their stupid ideas no matter how insane they sound, and they have big support:  /r/btc

we need to educate not only the non bitcoin people but also the ones using bitcoin. they need to understand it and not only follow blindly some opinions. and if they understand it and still chose a path that leads into destruction then maybe we deserve that.

I dont think you understand the severity of the situation:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/

These are scum people who are actively destroying bitcoin, its as if you bought a brand new car, and your neighbors suddenly start hitting it with dirt and start scratching it, what would you do? Educate them? Hahaha.

not them but the other people. because if nobody will believe them then they can throw all the shit they want and people will know what to think of that.
i can not stop people from believing in lizard people, but if everybody is educated it doesn't matter as nobody is believing them.

[ObscureBean]

Nothing that happens in the world can be completely isolated from the rest of the world. The identity of anything in the world is the result of the clash of prevailing forces and can never be 100% pure. Bitcoin is no different, its identity is being molded from pressure on all sides. Nothing that anyone can do about it, unless you want to take up arms and try to enforce your ideals  
BTW I don't think democracy is any better than dictatorship, they are both flawed.