Bitcoin Forum
August 14, 2018, 09:22:43 PM *
News: Latest stable version of Bitcoin Core: 0.16.2  [Torrent].
   Home   Help Search Donate Login Register  
Pages: [1]
Author Topic: [2016-10-18] Just How Significant is Chinese Miners’ Control on Bitcoin?  (Read 338 times)
Offline Offline

Activity: 1610
Merit: 1060

Be Revolutionary Or Die Trying

View Profile WWW
October 18, 2016, 06:27:01 AM

The concentration of bitcoin mining power in China continues to raise concern in the bitcoin community. A recently produced TechCrunch video, based on Nathaniel Popper’s book, “Digital Gold,” offers an overview of bitcoin mining, including footage from inside of a Chinese mine. Several prominent bitcoin executives offer their views about the issue.
The video is titled, “Mines and Miners | Truth Disrupted: Bitcoin and the Blockchain.”

I am not interested in preserving the status quo; I want to overthrow it. Niccolò Machiavelli
Hero Member
Offline Offline

Posts: 1534281763

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Reply with quote  #2

Report to moderator
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. Advertise here.
Offline Offline

Activity: 11
Merit: 0

View Profile
October 18, 2016, 09:14:19 AM

"Mining Becomes Specialized
When bitcoin began, miners were the “fanatics” who had fallen in love with bitcoin, noted Popper. But over time, mining has become a specialized profession available to those who have the ability to set up mining centers.

“That’s become something of a problem because the design of the bitcoin software gives decision-making power to the miners,” he said. “These miners around the world have a sort of voting power over the bitcoin software and what bitcoin itself looks like.”

Bobby Lee, CEO of BTCC, a Shanghai bitcoin exchange and mining company, explained that bitcoin’s founder, the eponymous Satoshi Nakamoto, saw mining as a way to award new bitcoins in a fair manner. “The only fair way he came up with was to give it for free to whoever wants it,” Lee said.

Gavin Andresen, chief scientist at the Bitcoin Foundation, explained how miners form bitcoin blocks and race to provide the canonical record of bitcoin transactions in exchange for being rewarded newly-mined bitcoins.

Price Rises As Less Is Mined
As the bitcoin price rises, it incentivizes a miner to activate their mining equipment, said Dave Carlson, founder of Megabigpower Bitcoin and Ether Mining Company, which is in the United States. Miners produce less bitcoin over time, he said, but the value of each bitcoin rises.

Popper said the industry has reached a point where the determining factors in who can profitably mine bitcoin is access to cheap computer hardware, and access to cheap electricity. “Right now, the place where those two things are easiest to find are China,” he said, noting that two thirds to three quarters of all bitcoins mined come from mining installations around China.

Scenes From Inside A Mine
The video then shows the inside of a Chinese mine, with employees being fed their daily meals and enjoying recreational games.

The secretive bitcoin mine.
Zhu Rei, CEO of an unidentified Chinese mine “somewhere in Szechuan Province,” noted there are 15 workers who live and work at her mining facility. Their main job is to look after the hardware. The video shows shelves filled with mining computers that the workers maintain.

The geographical areas with the low electricity rates are in rural areas, Rei noted. She added that the number of people working in these mines is increasing rapidly.

A ‘Worst Case’ Scenario
Carlson raised the possibility that someone could decide that bitcoin mined in the U.S. should not be accepted into any of the bitcoin blocks in China.


“That’s a very scary, scary concept. It should be extremely scary to the people who have invested in the businesses that are built on the bitcoin blockchain.”


Charley Cooper, managing director of the R3 Bitcoin Consortium, said there should be some concern about China’s growing power over bitcoin mining. “What do you do in a situation where one particular entity or group of entities acting collectively gain enough power in an open system that they can begin dictating the governance of that open system?” Cooper asked.

Also read: Scenes from a visit to a secretive bitcoin mine

Centralized Power For Bitcoin?
Popper said the issue is a test of the philosophy behind bitcoin. One of the main ideas was that people working together could create a better system than any one startup or entrepreneur could.

“This was the idea of communal wisdom,” Popper said. “It’s not at all clear that that software being developed by volunteers all around the world is going to be able to adapt quickly enough to keep up with the existing power and all the resources that they have to put into this experiment.”"
Offline Offline

Activity: 2268
Merit: 1055

View Profile
October 18, 2016, 12:41:10 PM

I trust Chinese miners more than I do others. They understand technology, and seem less susceptible to the usual mania and hype machines present in the North American forums. If someone in the USA doesn't like it, then put your money where your mouth is -- the Chinese have.

But that's the real rub, isn't it -- most americans are loud-mouthed morons with zero follow-through, and it shows. Bitcoin is a global project, and if you don't like it -- kindly cash out and fuck off.

fortitudinem multis - catenum regit omnia
Online Online

Activity: 1708
Merit: 1127

Leave no FUD unchallenged

View Profile WWW
October 18, 2016, 03:56:18 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again.  I honestly don't understand the fixation people have with whichever country happens to have the most hashing power.  I, for one, couldn't give a shit.

First, it's always likely that there's going to be one country with more hashing power than the others, so if one bothers you, why don't the others?  No one was raising a fuss when it was another country with the largest hash rate, but now, just because it's China we should sound the alarm?  Would people somehow feel more comfortable if a western nation had the majority of hashing power?  And if so, is that not more than a little prejudiced?

Secondly, just because Chinese miners happen to reside within the same arbitrary borders, it doesn't make them some connected hive-mind, or borg collective, colluding to take over.  They don't all act in unison towards some malicious goal.  They're literally just people. 

Who cares about deprecated lines on a map in a global and borderless currency?  It's completely irrelevant.

Pages: [1]
Jump to:  

Sponsored by , a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!