NLG coins lost, NLG not interested. Anybody else had an issue?

[zugvogel21]

If you are new or older to NLG read this for your own safety and do not say you have not been warned!!


NLG coin have hacked there own long term holders and back packers. You may ask me how we have come to such an allegation but I urge you to read on. We are not trolls but and are nothing else except for true crypto junkies who are fascinated the technology. These are based on findings of our experience over the entirety of the journey. In 2014 we read about NLG and found it to be a very interesting and innovative coin> we chucked a couple of mhs at it and timed the launch perfectly. We held since then and in the winter of 2014 we bought more coins to make a total of 101k coins. We then payed these funds from bitter to our NLG wallet, we then encrypted with a strong password and saved the wallet.dat file to usb, deleted the wallet as we were selling our miners on due to decrease in profitability and stored the files cold.

Over the last couple of years we have kept an eye on NLG and have thought that our coins are safe in stored cold on a usb sticks no probs, right??

October 2016 we checked coin market cap and saw the rise of NLG and we decided now would be time to get the coins from our wallet only to discover a balance stating 0.00 NLG. Not to mention but we were shocked with what and how it had happened. The wallet was safe, It was encrypted, locked. surly you can only get coins if you know the pass. Maybe someone did get lucky and managed to compromise us but then how, other things would be gone we have some select passwords and that particular wallet password leads to exchanges and some online wallets so why was that not compromised??

How is it even possible to get these coins out of the wallet when it is encrypted and to transfer them else where?

We contacted Gulden (NLG) immediately and they have said its impossible and that I must have been compromised. We decided to take a look around our selves and have indeed come up with some very significant findings including ann threads, email messages, where the coins have moved to from our wallet and the fact that there is something very fishy going on somewhere. Just say the fact that our coins are in an NLG users wallet and he has 2 million others also with a steady flow of transactions leading to this wallet.

Please see our second email correspondences with the NLG contact below.

“Dear XXX,
 
thx for your mail. Here I explain you exact the problem and what happened.
My wallet id is:  GJ1qYNciXh1UF3vgFLbFYXcymZzKhoQNWw    

For this account i have the wallet.dat and the password because it is encrypted. So i can guarantee that i am the owner oft he wallet.

On date 21.01.2015 there were 101,605.00 Gulden sent to the Wallet GP9aAx4kfdusjHDU3Mznp65kDZDgUPKywK    with the TixId: 16e8bf14cb5b65ed8c52e16a79cd8b9d319f4b2919e1f78b5c29186de2b81da5

Then a few hours later the same amount was sent to another wallet   GcNV3THUnSHQkeTxgfNBLbFS4UasoG3RF6      with the TixId: c15c3cc6bb4aeb7fefbf33a4922ca6045450685747e2774dfa0c709266fb8842

Then two days later the same amount was sent to another wallet   GZxv6W747MWN2X2vBJJwDxdSd2NdFSrumu   with the TixId: bad07bb911b59c7cfcae81fcf2a376ad7adcfe597c40ec5e8f5d6113a1fab4f8

This account is very active since some years. Also today it has already 12 Transactions. The account receives a amount of x and then few minutes later it sends same amount x to another account. In the history i also found the transaction which came from the last wallet where are also my Gulden inside:

Friday, January 23, 2015 7:18:59 PM        189,423             bad07bb911b59c7cfcae81fcf2a376ad7adcfe597c40ec5e8f5d6113a1fab4f8              +140,282.23601077 / $4,288.433

A few Minutes later the same amount was sent to another account:

Friday, January 23, 2015 7:31:16 PM      189,427             39e6967d8d493a62855da508436ad6a811fd4be5e761eb53ba6a193c5b2683ed              -140,282.23601077 / $-4,288.433

Now it is on the account GWYD3m1hQDcqG6MK6Mc4iV72JCw8UwoQFF

There are 2 million Gulden inside that particular wallet. Last transaction was Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:56:43 AM and the one before Wednesday, February 25, 2015 11:57:02 AM
 
Looks like a hacker is collecting since over 1 year coins and save them all in different wallets with 2 milliono gulden inside. Also he is active right now.
 
Would be really great if you can help me. I am long term since a long time and mined them all. Would be really annoying if I lost them. Also my wallet was encrypted. So i was thinking i am safe!!!
 
Thx a lot and have a nice day!
 
Best regards”


Conclusion of discussion with NLG emails are on hand if anybody wishes screenshots I have them all.

So if you have now followed the the message and may have checked the addresses you can follow exactly where the coins have gone. With the fact that there is proof of coins moving around from an encrypted wallet to some wallet out there is apparently impossible and NLG have basically sworn to that fact that it is 1 “impossible to hack an encrypted wallet” and 2. “there is no hacker and this account has nothing to do with our missing coins”. Not only have NLG been irresponsible but they are totally lying to the face of 2 guys who are not some rookies and I m sure many others.

To try to find out more information we have taken the time to look through almost every single page of the NLG ann threads new and old to try and find something. Our findings have been absolutely remarkable with the below screenshots I would like to show these findings with absolute proof of what is probably a couple of hundred wallets having been hacked and a company who has the responsibility to its users to keep them safe and all they are doing is shrugging their shoulders.


With the point of this I wish all people who have had posts deleted, coins stolen, have had contact with gulden and have been shrugged off by them to come forward with there issues. We are taking this to the press.

[MisO69]

It sounds like someone had your private key and just imported it into a new wallet, transferred coins. You keep saying we, who's we? Did they have access to the wallet?

Perhaps you installed malware or a wallet stealer. There have been some coins that popped up in the last couple of years with wallet and password stealing malware. Someone even posted about a remote control malware.

There is no way for someone to steal coins without them first compromising your security. You can't just hack a blockchain. Its not possible.

[Svener]

Been a long time holder of NLG. In 2014 there was a lot of alt coins that did have viruses on their exes, I remember downloading a wallet I will try get the coins name for you. I proceeded to format my PC immediately, maybe this is your problem?

I constantly do all kinds of virus scans on the Gulden and BYC wallets and nothing has ever turned up for me. I know these 2 coins are safe.

Is it not possible you downloaded the wallet from a unofficial source, if one exists?

[Svener]

With the point of this I wish all people who have had posts deleted, coins stolen, have had contact with gulden and have been shrugged off by them to come forward with there issues. We are taking this to the press.

There is also 2 previous Gulden ANNs that wasn't moderated and never once did I hear of someone being hacked. The latest thread was moderated due to trolling.

[zugvogel21]

Been a long time holder of NLG. In 2014 there was a lot of alt coins that did have viruses on their exes, I remember downloading a wallet I will try get the coins name for you. I proceeded to format my PC immediately, maybe this is your problem?

I constantly do all kinds of virus scans on the Gulden and BYC wallets and nothing has ever turned up for me. I know these 2 coins are safe.

Is it not possible you downloaded the wallet from a unofficial source, if one exists?

We found a virus unfortunately in the wallet version Gulden130.exe which was created on the 30/11/2015

    http://imgur.com/KBuR316

Please see picture of virus in wallet.

[Svener]

Been a long time holder of NLG. In 2014 there was a lot of alt coins that did have viruses on their exes, I remember downloading a wallet I will try get the coins name for you. I proceeded to format my PC immediately, maybe this is your problem?

I constantly do all kinds of virus scans on the Gulden and BYC wallets and nothing has ever turned up for me. I know these 2 coins are safe.

Is it not possible you downloaded the wallet from a unofficial source, if one exists?

We found a virus unfortunately in the wallet version Gulden130.exe which was created on the 30/11/2015

    http://imgur.com/KBuR316

Please see picture of virus in wallet.

It sounds like someone stole your coins, someone you know. You said the wallet was on a USB stick for 2 years , even if the wallet itself had every virus in the world it wouldn't of mattered if you had put your private key (wallet.dat) into cold storage. The only way the hacker would gain access is if your wallet was online with the funds in it.

[kahir]

its just not possible either someone had access to your computer before u copy your wallet to usb and had a copy of your wallet.dat .... or someone used your flash disk to copy it ...

[tbearhere]

What is NGL  ?

[danblize]

What is NGL  ?

He must refer to nlg, buy his typo. Gulden, should be that.

https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-NLG

[solid12345]

Your first mistake is the use of the phrase "we"

Never trust access of your coins to other people in crypto.

[onlinedragon]

Sad to see they stole your coins if you need any help you can join the NLG slack channel. There are the devs from the NLG coin active and you can talk personally with them. https://gulden.com/ and just scroll bit down.

[zugvogel21]

Your first mistake is the use of the phrase "we"

Never trust access of your coins to other people in crypto.

When i say we i am refering to a friend of mine. We are buddies for over 15 years and trust each other with several thousand euros worth of coins. So i see ne problem there. Also to that you should not trust anyone is ridiculous. I see no mistake in saying we what so ever. Maybe the crypto world needs to wake up from this if it wants more acceptance as this is ehat turns people off.

[Spooly]

THe biggest issue about NLG and trusting NLG is that they remove EVERY SINGLE COMMENT that gives any kind of warning to NLG users or whatsoever in their topic, anything that is even minimal bad for their reputation (even with good and viable reason) they remove the comment, its ditatorial, to say the least, this gives a false impression of a perfect coin, but many, many people noticed it is NOT not even close to a perfect coin, and we can't even aware users about it.

[zugvogel21]

Sad to see they stole your coins if you need any help you can join the NLG slack channel. There are the devs from the NLG coin active and you can talk personally with them. https://gulden.com/ and just scroll bit down.

The NLG/Gulden team accused us of lying despite all of the evidence of what has happened. I will though try again and thanks for the advice.  We went direct to gulden through there web conntacts.

Its just a shame as we were mining from the word go and allways new this coin would be awsome. There is an obvious problem somewhere with a couple of million of the coins have been hacked and continue to be. We have seen this flagged this and gulden say it is impossible to do that. Only people with the same wallet as us will have been affected.

Also to post that we are wanting to harm the coin is not fair as gulden did in the english forum and then locked it. We do not want to harm gulden. We just want an honest answer and some support in the issue.

Once again thanks for advice. I will be updating tomorrow with further findings.

[zugvogel21]

THe biggest issue about NLG and trusting NLG is that they remove EVERY SINGLE COMMENT that gives any kind of warning to NLG users or whatsoever in their topic, anything that is even minimal bad for their reputation (even with good and viable reason) they remove the comment, its ditatorial, to say the least, this gives a false impression of a perfect coin, but many, many people noticed it is NOT not even close to a perfect coin, and we can't even aware users about it.

Agreed thats why I made this post.

[Spooly]

I was one of top holders and supporters of NLG, but seeing that they are NOT fair with the investors, made me think twice of holding their coins and supporting them, I would agree that they remove posts with FUD without any real reason behind, but anything that doesn't says good thing about NLG, they delete in their topic.

So this topic may also be used to warn investors: NLG IS NOT A PERFECT COIN WITH 100% SUPPORTERS! There are big flaws and MANY things that are being "inflated" in order to make the coin looks like it worths what it worths, but the fact is that IT DOES NOT! And anyone with a minimal of common sense can find out for themselves, just take a look at all the coin went thru, and you'll see that the coin is very inflated as it is now.

[yavuzc78]

So you re holding coin now with this post

[zugvogel21]

I was one of top holders and supporters of NLG, but seeing that they are NOT fair with the investors, made me think twice of holding their coins and supporting them, I would agree that they remove posts with FUD without any real reason behind, but anything that doesn't says good thing about NLG, they delete in their topic.

So this topic may also be used to warn investors: NLG IS NOT A PERFECT COIN WITH 100% SUPPORTERS! There are big flaws and MANY things that are being "inflated" in order to make the coin looks like it worths what it worths, but the fact is that IT DOES NOT! And anyone with a minimal of common sense can find out for themselves, just take a look at all the coin went thru, and you'll see that the coin is very inflated as it is now.

Agreed. The thing that saddens me the most is that I still think Gulden is a great coin. Its being accepted On a greater scale, has apps and does make crypto easier for others to use and makes a big step towards the masses. Though I will add one major point for me.

If you want to be up there why do you not as a coin listen to what individuals are saying and look into a genuine problem? Something has been flagged and nobody is doing anything about it Apart from brushing it under the carpe lt and going into imediate denial and then posting that people want to harm the coin, or saying that we are just jealous pigs. They have/are using mafia tactics and are hiding something.  Hence the deleted posts. Yes there maybe a valid explanation, but none have been provided

[jhon conor]

the price is pretty good, there are no signs of a scam. https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-NLG

[zugvogel21]

I read some tweets, Gulden is not a scam!

well there something wrong with deleting post around this topic from 2014, and gulden just shrugging us off and calling us liars is also not fair so I am free to make what assumptions I like. Maybe it was not guldens fault and it is something else. When you do flag up a problem with obviously several wallets being compromised and we are told that we are liars despite allof the evidence it does make you think why.

Something similar happened to you no Bram? Maybe you would like to elaborate in this forum?

If gulden would investigate this I would happily eat my words after having used the words scam.