Which Altcoins Are Not Traceable By Governments

[Woodford]

I have read that many people, in countries that have repressive governments, use bitcoin to move their money out of the country. It seems to me that the bitcoins of the future need to be untraceable by governments to be useful to the public. Which altcoins are being developed that could fill this need? These might be the altcoins to watch. Such altcoins would probably not need an exchange, nor want one to remain non-traceable. I assume such altcoins would be sent straight from one's own computer. Perhaps there is an article written on the subject.

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Woodford

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[Joel_Jantsen]

I have read that many people, in countries that have repressive governments, use bitcoin to move their money out of the country.

You mean governments use bitcoins to move their money out of the country ?Are you confusing yourself ?Wrong information anyway.

It seems to me that the bitcoins of the future need to be untraceable by governments to be useful to the public.

Bitcoins are not fully anonymous.Read the post by GMaxwell that makes much sense.Also,it's not *bitcoins of the future,just coins.

Which altcoins are being developed that could fill this need? These might be the altcoins to watch. Such altcoins would probably not need an exchange, nor want one to remain non-traceable.

Only coin I could think of right now https://zcoin.tech/

[European Central Bank]

everything's traceable somehow. either the paper trail buying it, mining it or the meet to buy it for cash. it would be interesting to see how some of these anon coins stack up against a concerted state level witch hunt.

[iamnotback]

Refer to my expert opinion.

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Why would a government trace an Average Joe's crypto activity. i mean there are a lot of more important stuff to do for them

[European Central Bank]

Why would a government trace an Average Joe's crypto activity. i mean there are a lot of more important stuff to do for them

there are tons of average joes who skimp on their taxes, don't pay child support, buy drugs, buy guns and on and on. governments chase millions of average joes every single day. prisons are filled with average joes.

[carlfebz2]

Why would a government trace an Average Joe's crypto activity. i mean there are a lot of more important stuff to do for them

there are tons of average joes who skimp on their taxes, don't pay child support, buy drugs, buy guns and on and on. governments chase millions of average joes every single day. prisons are filled with average joes.

Correct and a  very  precise answer though average joe could   do anything about their money  on  using bitcoin. Thats why  its really important for  government to trace them  up to lessen the  rate but as we all know  bitcoin is  anonymous and   other alts  which are being used on  illegal things thats  why  its really hard to trace them up.

[hajimasan]

I have read that many people, in countries that have repressive governments, use bitcoin to move their money out of the country. It seems to me that the bitcoins of the future need to be untraceable by governments to be useful to the public. Which altcoins are being developed that could fill this need? These might be the altcoins to watch. Such altcoins would probably not need an exchange, nor want one to remain non-traceable. I assume such altcoins would be sent straight from one's own computer. Perhaps there is an article written on the subject.

Thanks
Woodford

in my opinion there are many altcoin which are not Trace by the government because they are not varified they can ran any time or even the owner can ran  ( common examples at the exvhan like yobit with coin rate 1 satoshi ) .
so many altcoin are in this category which are not traced by the government

[The Sceptical Chymist]

everything's traceable somehow. either the paper trail buying it, mining it or the meet to buy it for cash. it would be interesting to see how some of these anon coins stack up against a concerted state level witch hunt.

Everything is traceable on internet. And I mean everything (even if you think it's not).

Agreed here, even though I haven't a clue how governments or anyone else would track you.  They will, and there is a way.  Still, I think if money has to be exported from a shitcountry, bitcoin or any of the myriad altcoins is a damn good way to do it.  It certainly is fast, and it beats trying to strap 50 kg of cash to your body in an airport.  Airport security doesn't check to see if you have a Mycelium wallet on your phone is my guess.

[Spoetnik]

It always boils down to cross-referencing.

The more points you can collect data from the easier it gets to triangulate a target.
Think about this..
What control points on the web do the US govt have access to ?
ANYTHING on US soil from internet backbone relays to Exchanges.. to ISP's to VPN's to To Hosters.
*ALL* are simply a request away from divulging your info to 3 letter agencies.

There is also more than one way to skin a cat.
Need access to say a VPN provider ?
Well you can show up with a warrant and a badge.
Or you can try social engineering to break into their systems.
You can hire hackers with large amounts of money..
Or you can bribe them to fork over the goods !

A Lamborghini is all it cost the US govt to buy Osama Bin Laden's ass.

So i will highlight the part i want to stress here once again..
EXCHANGES !
How many of them are US law compliant and / or collect your private info and maybe Picture ID etc ?
And what is traded on them ? ..coins.

EDIT:

I have seen reports of cell phone spying for 20 years i think too.
I had heard they farm it out to 3rd parties..
The have psuedo call centers that can monitor calls being made looking for keywords etc i heard back in 2000.

Recently the RCMP here in Canada made a public statement admitting they used Cell phone spying to catch a criminal.
The method they said they used was..
There is a well known program out there used for years with law enforcement that allows them to mimic a cell phone tower so the victims connect to it.. then bam they own your ass !

I also seen another News report about 2 years back that the CAN govt admitted they have setup surveillance spying systems for some major transit locations.. and that they let the Americans use it.
The examples provided included Ontario Airport Cell Phone / WIFI connections.

So.. WHY ?
Just realize.. THEY *DO*
And do you have any clue how deep their spying goes ?

Average Joe may need to be spied on to catch the needle in the hay stack they are after...
Chances are the "nobody" being snooped on is just part of the process they need to operate.
So the mentality that "why would they care?" is dumb.
First thing i said here is control points.. they need to harvest and aggregate as much data as they can sometimes... so they may need to spy on 100k people to find that 1 guy.

[Cryptotraider16]

Everything is traceable on internet. And I mean everything (even if you think it's not).

Big true! right after you come to internet,you are tracked! its life.

[iamnotback]

Why would a government trace an Average Joe's crypto activity. i mean there are a lot of more important stuff to do for them

there are tons of average joes who skimp on their taxes, don't pay child support, buy drugs, buy guns and on and on. governments chase millions of average joes every single day. prisons are filled with average joes.

The average joe won't likely have the careful attention to detail to make their anonymity significantly difficult for the government to track them. But default anonymity protections could possibly protect the average joe from casual privacy invasions. And the meticulous joe could probably make it not worth the government's effort to track them given the necessary anonymity protocols in the crypto-currency system. The high valued target is nearly always going to be vulnerable to the NSA, unless that target's resources and expertise matches sufficiently the countermeasures the NSA can employ.

[lazi]

Not traceable altcoin is CloakCoin!

Why?.... Watch the video and learn!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOMkteLB3Is

[Pursuer]

if you are doing something illegal, you will get caught even if you use an anonymous altcoin there are other ways apart from blockchain analysis for finding you that I am not getting into here.

but if you are an average Joe wanting more privacy or even living in a country that has been putting some restriction for using cryptocurrencies then you can achieve that by using bitcoin or any altcoin too, just don't link your bank account with your crypto address and you are fine. you can either buy with cash or use a mixer.

[generalizethis]

Why would a government trace an Average Joe's crypto activity. i mean there are a lot of more important stuff to do for them

there are tons of average joes who skimp on their taxes, don't pay child support, buy drugs, buy guns and on and on. governments chase millions of average joes every single day. prisons are filled with average joes.

The average joe won't likely have the careful attention to detail to make their anonymity significantly difficult for the government to track them. But default anonymity protections could possibly protect the average joe from casual privacy invasions. And the meticulous joe could probably make it not worth the government's effort to track them given the necessary anonymity protocols in the crypto-currency system.

Unless the anon sector starts pulling billions of dollars per day, the government won't bother--but simply rely on tracking software developed by the private sector. And this is pure speculation, I believe TPTB (Russia, China, US, everyone basically) are engaged in a huge ballet of Agar.Ioesque nature to see who can grab the trillions of dollars that escaped their borders through tax evasion. If they can grab some of that still elusive pie, they can make projections that the economy can grow--the problem is that while they are engaged in real-world strife with actual human costs--the digital world is programming a more efficient world that uses cryptography to create escape points of value--symbols are taken from the old world system--commands, and literally to figuratively to latterly-reassembled--cal's about to reinvent the game and standford's band is on the field....

[Joel_Jantsen]

if you are doing something illegal, you will get caught even if you use an anonymous altcoin there are other ways apart from blockchain analysis for finding you that I am not getting into here.

Not really.I'd like to know what are they other as as you put it.Don't mix using altcoins or any coins then liquidating the cash,of course you can get caught easily.If you use a proper anonymous coin mixing services,you cannot be traced.Why do you think the person who moved Parpains's coins is still not found ? (if I spelt his name correctly).

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but if you are an average Joe wanting more privacy or even living in a country that has been putting some restriction for using cryptocurrencies then you can achieve that by using bitcoin or any altcoin too, just don't link your bank account with your crypto address and you are fine. you can either buy with cash or use a mixer.
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Cash can be suspicious too.I'd say don't mix cryptos and cash.Buy cryptos with cryptos.

[kwest]

Our goal with CEAL is to provide anonymity. Taken directly from our intro:
"Ceal is a decentralized blockchain and libtorrent-based network designed for information sharing, especially for freedom of expression and freedom of opinion"

Official thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1644145.0

[DrGuns4Hands]

Everything is traceable on internet. And I mean everything (even if you think it's not).

Big true! right after you come to internet,you are tracked! its life.

Agree If we are connected to internet then we are all in 1 network though we dont have the same gate away we are still in one network . We cant stop it government and any Organization is watching us now or tracking us now There are no anonymous connection or you cant track by this in the internet

[iamnotback]

if you are doing something illegal, you will get caught even if you use an anonymous altcoin there are other ways apart from blockchain analysis for finding you that I am not getting into here.

Not really.I'd like to know what are they other as as you put it.Don't mix using altcoins or any coins then liquidating the cash,of course you can get caught easily.If you use a proper anonymous coin mixing services,you cannot be traced.Why do you think the person who moved Parpains's coins is still not found ? (if I spelt his name correctly).

Being untraced once, is not the same as being untraced ongoing with multiple incidents. Eventually the correlations add up, the NSA uses other more powerful countermeasures to target you, etc..

Again what I wrote in my prior comment is the accurate way to summarize the situation.

Btw, coin mixing services can be rooted by the NSA. Mixing algorithms and protocols can be unmasked via a combination of factors such as Sybil attacks and correlating meta-data (IP address, Internet accounts, etc).

Please. I am the former user account Anonymint. I am an expert on this topic.

If you are doing illegal activities and relying on anonymity, you had better consult with an expert. Because it is very likely (almost certain) that you do not know how you have potentially compromised yourself.

[mace15]

I have read that many people, in countries that have repressive governments, use bitcoin to move their money out of the country. It seems to me that the bitcoins of the future need to be untraceable by governments to be useful to the public. Which altcoins are being developed that could fill this need? These might be the altcoins to watch. Such altcoins would probably not need an exchange, nor want one to remain non-traceable. I assume such altcoins would be sent straight from one's own computer. Perhaps there is an article written on the subject.

Thanks
Woodford

in my opinion there are many altcoin which are not Trace by the government because they are not varified they can ran any time or even the owner can ran  ( common examples at the exvhan like yobit with coin rate 1 satoshi ) .
so many altcoin are in this category which are not traced by the government

I agree, i dont think that government trace all altcoins. Many things that can
be traceable by the government but not the altcoins.

[Woodford]

Our very own thieving government heads (Washington, USA), and the rich fuckers who own them, will soon be using altcoin themselves to hide their illegal bribery loot around the world. So, it's not just the average Joe who will need altcoins to hide his money from those stealing government whores. This is why I believe altcoins have a future. Not because we need altcoin, but because these government criminals need altcoin. They will make altcoin a reality because they need it to steal from the people they govern.

The President of the United States: "Don't send cash. Send bitcoin to this bitcoin wallet and I'll sign the bill in congress to send your country the weapons."



This is why bitcoin has a bright future. The fuckers in power need bitcoin to continue their criminal empires. Terrorist hell! The men and women in charge of all the world's governments ARE the terrorists, and they need bitcoin to operate.

The USA presidential election has really been an education for me. It has opened my eyes. These power mongers on both sides have come out in the open for the world to see. The emails helped. God what a slimy bunch run our government. They don't even pretend any longer. 13 million for a speaking engagement! Give me a break! And the republicans are no better. I've lost all faith in any government official. That is why I support altcoins. The  people are going to need altcoins/bitcoins in the near future to hide and protect their money from these fuckers.

[Spoetnik]

Why would a government trace an Average Joe's crypto activity. i mean there are a lot of more important stuff to do for them

there are tons of average joes who skimp on their taxes, don't pay child support, buy drugs, buy guns and on and on. governments chase millions of average joes every single day. prisons are filled with average joes.

The average joe won't likely have the careful attention to detail to make their anonymity significantly difficult for the government to track them. But default anonymity protections could possibly protect the average joe from casual privacy invasions. And the meticulous joe could probably make it not worth the government's effort to track them given the necessary anonymity protocols in the crypto-currency system. The high valued target is nearly always going to be vulnerable to the NSA, unless that target's resources and expertise matches sufficiently the countermeasures the NSA can employ.

Agreed and i think you hit the heart of the matter.

What it all REALLY boils down to is not the goal of perfect security with a coin.
What it comes down to is the measures each person takes to secure themselves.
Hell, maybe choosing *which* anon coin will make the difference.. one being more vulnerable than the other.
Which would mean it's the end users decision on how tight their security is.
For example..
I *could* use TOR ..never have though.
I don't care ..sorry  
I mean shit i ain't got squat to hide and if hackers got me i'd re-install windows.. hahahha
But i do have some random unusual extra security efforts at work though.

So anyway it boils down to "Levels" of security i think.
Lets agree nothing is bullet proof 100% secure forever.
Then lets think well the more secure you want to be the more effort you need to spend making it that way.
So we end up with a security level dependent on your individual efforts.

So which coin is the most secure ?
Tough question.. i don't know hahahhaha
yeah and i opened my mouth up here ranting away regardless LOL

You would need a crypto tech specialist here to analysis which alleged anon coin gives you an edge over the other.
And i have said for ages i think they are all vulnerable in similar ways so the difference will not be too much.
I have said depending on how bad they want you they are all insecure tech.

With massive computing power available these days the cross-referencing methods is diabolical.
Want to track a guy ?
Control all points..
Contact his ISP and serve them a warrant and start logging where he goes from the ISP.
And who owns the US backbones ? Why do you think they are registered as DOD IP's ? (U.S. Department Of Defense)
Then think of where you think the target is going to go.. Facebook ? Hotmail ?
Contact both and serve them a warrant and start tracking them there too.
Eventually they have seized all control points and you cant move with out hitting them.
And they have your ass.. nailing the unknown figure moving from point to point.

THAT is the method crackers use to patch a software program.
We can see the ASM code that says congrats you are registered.
And we simply "Patch" it so it jumps over the entire protection scheme.
Which with an ANON coin we don't need to reverse or break it's security we can jump over it with cross referencing attacks.
They say our coin.. such as Monero is 100% secure.. well that may be but it's irrelevant.
We don't need to Keygen their protection system .. we can simply patch it to avoid it.

Other crackers out there should see what i am saying.. patching vs Keygen'ing.
The firewall i use now i keygen'd many years ago and i also got into arguments with the dev / owner of it.
I told him yeah i keygen'd your app and... i can patch it if i need to with 1 line of code.
He did not believe me then got mouthy so i patched it and took a screen cap of the .NET program disassembled and highlighted what line to change from 0 to 1.
He got mouthy and sad that didn't work so i released a package of source code for his program that included the .NET patching guide i made then a Win32API command line Keygen and another Win32 pure API GUI based keygen then i also wrote a C sharp .net GUI keygen and i posted them publicly for all the other forum users. And i reminded him that my .NET patch works.. it's just that he needed to put anything in the registry entry for the "Key" which i had forgot about to make my point.
So he tried it with no key in the Win registry and it failed but it would have worked if he entered in anything.
And i would not have unleashed on his ass if had kept his cocky rude mouthy shut LOL
I STILL have his program installed and keygen'd 3 or 4 years after the conversation with him ROFL
But if needed... i'd patch his ass in a heart beat (get it ?)
He can roll up his Caesar Cipher And stuff it up his ass 

[ayesha sadiqa]

I have read that many people, in countries that have repressive governments, use bitcoin to move their money out of the country. It seems to me that the bitcoins of the future need to be untraceable by governments to be useful to the public. Which altcoins are being developed that could fill this need? These might be the altcoins to watch. Such altcoins would probably not need an exchange, nor want one to remain non-traceable. I assume such altcoins would be sent straight from one's own computer. Perhaps there is an article written on the subject.

Thanks
Woodford

in my opinion there are many altcoin which are not Trace by the government because they are not varified they can ran any time or even the owner can ran  ( common examples at the exvhan like yobit with coin rate 1 satoshi ) .
so many altcoin are in this category which are not traced by the government

I agree, i dont think that government trace all altcoins. Many things that can
be traceable by the government but not the altcoins.

yes i also do not think that no alt coin is traceable by the government as they have their anonymous characteristic, and the second reason is that i think still government still not feel the need to tract an  alt coin as there is not a bad effect on the health  of government by any alt therefore they really not need to trace it.

[AvY Enterprises]

Until the day that the NSA is complaining to the US Congress that it can't tell what's going on and trying to make crypto illegal (again*) I'd just assume that everything can be traced given enough time and money.

* https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/28/the-fbi-used-to-recommend-encryption-now-they-want-to-ban-it