April 3 BFL ASIC update.

[Rampion]

It seems really unlikely that their "all sales are final" statement would have any legal validity under the circumstances, especially as "two months or more" is so vague.  If the customer agreed to a specific delivery date which was months in the future, it might be different, but essentially they're trying to say we'll deliver "whenever".
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You can bet 100BTC that "all sales are final" has 0 legal validity taken into account the current BFL preorder scam scheme

[creativex]

The reddit thread about this is full of people happy about the fact that their BFL units are now "worth twice as much".  

What is it that P.T. Barnum said?

[DPoS]

What is it that P.T. Barnum said?

Here's looking at you, P.T.!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/171018610507?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

[repentance]

The reddit thread about this is full of people happy about the fact that their BFL units are now "worth twice as much".  

I know, I was reading that.   It is very interesting, isn't it?   It is like some university pysch dept doing a study.....

They probably figure that they can sell their sub-spec units for more than they paid for them and pass the risk on to someone else.

[PulsedMedia]

What vouchers are you talking about?

If BFL is a long con, they've put insane amount of effort into it. Especially in the field of even attempting to provide evidence there is progress etc. and other kind of public appearances.

[repentance]

What vouchers are you talking about?

If BFL is a long con, they've put insane amount of effort into it. Especially in the field of even attempting to provide evidence there is progress etc. and other kind of public appearances.

People who ordered in the first month get a discount voucher to "compensate" them for the delay in delivery.  They need to use it within 60 days.  If I recall correctly, it's for 25% of their original order value up to some maximum I can't remember (so if you bought a mini-rig you can't use the discount to get a free single).  I think people who ordered in the second month get a 10% discount.

[PulsedMedia]

What vouchers are you talking about?

If BFL is a long con, they've put insane amount of effort into it. Especially in the field of even attempting to provide evidence there is progress etc. and other kind of public appearances.

People who ordered in the first month get a discount voucher to "compensate" them for the delay in delivery.  They need to use it within 60 days.  If I recall correctly, it's for 25% of their original order value up to some maximum I can't remember (so if you bought a mini-rig you can't use the discount to get a free single).  I think people who ordered in the second month get a 10% discount.

Where's more info about this?
I did make a order for little single in July ...

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Actually, I prefer this one:
 
https://products.butterflylabs.com/60gh-bitcoin-miner.html

Cheaper than a 25 Ghash/s !  

I'm wrong. It's $50 more expensive than a 25 Ghash/s 

And it's gone!

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[ninjarobot]

Actually, I prefer this one:
 
https://products.butterflylabs.com/60gh-bitcoin-miner.html

Cheaper than a 25 Ghash/s !  

I'm wrong. It's $50 more expensive than a 25 Ghash/s 

And it's gone!

How about this one? https://products.butterflylabs.com/hdmijaijwo3625sqpkc0953nxoq540md.html

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Actually, I prefer this one:
 
https://products.butterflylabs.com/60gh-bitcoin-miner.html

Cheaper than a 25 Ghash/s !  

I'm wrong. It's $50 more expensive than a 25 Ghash/s 

And it's gone!

How about this one? https://products.butterflylabs.com/hdmijaijwo3625sqpkc0953nxoq540md.html

Now that we've brought it their attention, it'll be down soon.

[solitude]

Let's assume worst case scenario BFL takes our money and runs.  Is there any chance we can get our money back in that situation?  Through any intermediary?

[vampire]

So if I bought a jalapeño in Sep what you do I get ?

4.5G?
5?

[repentance]

What vouchers are you talking about?

If BFL is a long con, they've put insane amount of effort into it. Especially in the field of even attempting to provide evidence there is progress etc. and other kind of public appearances.

People who ordered in the first month get a discount voucher to "compensate" them for the delay in delivery.  They need to use it within 60 days.  If I recall correctly, it's for 25% of their original order value up to some maximum I can't remember (so if you bought a mini-rig you can't use the discount to get a free single).  I think people who ordered in the second month get a 10% discount.

Where's more info about this?
I did make a order for little single in July ...

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/1037-discount-voucher-policy.html

People are also being offered the option of taking the sub-spec units or waiting until there's a revised unit with the problems solved but you need to contact BFL if you want to wait for the revision.

[Minor Miner]

Let's assume worst case scenario BFL takes our money and runs.  Is there any chance we can get our money back in that situation?  Through any intermediary?

Do a little research and see how much all the people that sonny scammed got back.   you can expect 1000x that amount.

[solitude]

Let's assume worst case scenario BFL takes our money and runs.  Is there any chance we can get our money back in that situation?  Through any intermediary?

Do a little research and see how much all the people that sonny scammed got back.   you can expect 1000x that amount.

I don't understand what you mean

[tbd]

Let's assume worst case scenario BFL takes our money and runs.  Is there any chance we can get our money back in that situation?  Through any intermediary?

If things go wrong, BFL will declare bankruptcy.  Then the remaining assets will be distributed to creditors by a trustee, if there are any assets remaining.  Your chance of recovering your full "pre-order" in this event is extremely unlikely.

There is a reason that the FTC Consumer Protection division has "prompt delivery" rules.  Know your rights.  If the delay is longer than 30 days or indefinite, you are to be promptly refunded unless you have agreed that the delay is acceptable.

If you are having issues obtaining a refund from BFL, you may file a complaint with the FTC here:
https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/FTC_Wizard.aspx?Lang=en

[Dargo]

Let's assume worst case scenario BFL takes our money and runs.  Is there any chance we can get our money back in that situation?  Through any intermediary?

Do a little research and see how much all the people that sonny scammed got back.   you can expect 1000x that amount.

I don't understand what you mean

Without even doing the research, I'd say the people Sonny scammed got back 0, so the joke is 1000x that amount would be...0.

[Minor Miner]

Let's assume worst case scenario BFL takes our money and runs.  Is there any chance we can get our money back in that situation?  Through any intermediary?

Do a little research and see how much all the people that sonny scammed got back.   you can expect 1000x that amount.

I don't understand what you mean

the founder of BFL sonny vledsiedes (spelling is wrong), the guy convicted of scamming old people on a fake lottery ticket scam that is on parole and now collecting pre-order money from people like you.   How much did his victims (the retired people now eating canned dog food to survive) get back?   You should get 10X or 100X that amount.   

[repentance]

If things go wrong, BFL will declare bankruptcy.  Then the remaining assets will be distributed to creditors by a trustee, if there are any assets remaining.  Your chance of recovering your full "pre-order" in this event is extremely unlikely.

It's also extremely likely that any actual investors in BFL have ensured that they are secured creditors and would have priority claims over those of customers who pre-ordered.

[Minor Miner]

Let's assume worst case scenario BFL takes our money and runs.  Is there any chance we can get our money back in that situation?  Through any intermediary?

Do a little research and see how much all the people that sonny scammed got back.   you can expect 1000x that amount.

I don't understand what you mean

Without even doing the research, I'd say the people Sonny scammed got back 0, so the joke is 1000x that amount would be...0.

Dargo!!!!   Riddles are not fun if you give away the punch line.   How many greeks are there working at BFL?   Where is Josh in all those pictures of him on the web?   Has anyone asked Luke how many people he saw at BFL that seemed to be employees?