[ANN] [ZOI] Zoin - Zerocoin based privacy - CPU - No founder's reward - 0.8.7.4

[HoteiLife]

Coincontrol does it(change). Just change address to custom.
Only the amount of 1 coin is a big lag with gui.
So you say with rcp commands you can use other values than 1 coin to mint zero?

Is it there in zoin? Looked for it but didn't see it anywhere

Haven't tried the rpc but it looks like the calls are:
mintzerocoin - mintzerocoin <amount>(1,10,25,50,100)
spendzerocoin - spendzerocoin <amount>(1,10,25,50,100)

From the code here:
https://github.com/zoin/zoin/blob/master/src/rpcwallet.cpp#L1624

Think the limited possible amounts are for privacy. Otherwise it's easy to tell just by amounts which spend is linked to which mint.

[theboccet]

Coincontrol does it(change). Just change address to custom.
Only the amount of 1 coin is a big lag with gui.
So you say with rcp commands you can use other values than 1 coin to mint zero?

Is it there in zoin? Looked for it but didn't see it anywhere

Haven't tried the rpc but it looks like the calls are:
mintzerocoin - mintzerocoin <amount>(1,10,25,50,100)
spendzerocoin - spendzerocoin <amount>(1,10,25,50,100)

From the code here:
https://github.com/zoin/zoin/blob/master/src/rpcwallet.cpp#L1624

Think the limited possible amounts are for privacy. Otherwise it's easy to tell just by amounts which spend is linked to which mint.

already done minting zerocoins and here how to proceed.
-if you have set a password for your wallet so you must begin with : walletpassphrase <password> <time in seconds.ex:500>
-after unlocking your wallet type : mintzerocoin <amount>
I've tested with 10 coins
hope it help

[matejbilahora]

Well this is nice, but price is dumped down. We need to pump it somehow up again. If only dumpers hold little bit longer those who want to buy will have to accept our sell price.

[zoin]

Also dev what's the difference between lyra2 and lyra2-zoin? why create a different flavor? When I check the Lyra2 code, I don't see any differences though.

The Lyra algorithm is the same, it just uses different parameters. Originally ZCoin had unsustainable parameters for Lyra, as explained here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1671060.msg16863305#msg16863305

If ZCoin didn't change the algo, it would have needed more and more memory and got slower and slower until most machines would not be able to do the hash.

Zoin had to change the original ZCoin algo for this reason.

[benjy33]

sell all coins at 250k - up   

[marseille]

Also dev what's the difference between lyra2 and lyra2-zoin? why create a different flavor? When I check the Lyra2 code, I don't see any differences though.

Well I have to ask if you people can read, and if yes can you think about what you see on monitor? This coin is based on Zcoin, which is using Lyra2rev2 algo, it is different than Lyra2, you can not mine it using Lyra2.

Are you stupid or simply don't know how to talk?? I know this coin is based on Zcoin, my question is why Zoin don't use the same algo as Zcoin so that Zcoin's miner will work? Why we have to create a different miner for Zoin (cpuminer-zoin)?

Well first of all I did not attacked you as you attacked me. The second thing is if you read about Lyra2 and Lyra2rev2 and this algo you can not mine this coin with one and the same miner, each has its own settings. So there you need different miner.

Well you started impolite conversations. Anyway I appreciate you answered the question. When I looked at the code for Zcoin and Zoin, I did not see anything difference on Lyra2 code, I am not sure the calling parameters are different. I will check the code from both coins.

[marseille]

Also dev what's the difference between lyra2 and lyra2-zoin? why create a different flavor? When I check the Lyra2 code, I don't see any differences though.

The Lyra algorithm is the same, it just uses different parameters. Originally ZCoin had unsustainable parameters for Lyra, as explained here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1671060.msg16863305#msg16863305

If ZCoin didn't change the algo, it would have needed more and more memory and got slower and slower until most machines would not be able to do the hash.

Zoin had to change the original ZCoin algo for this reason.

Great, thanks dev for the explanation.

[dfox101]

Also dev what's the difference between lyra2 and lyra2-zoin? why create a different flavor? When I check the Lyra2 code, I don't see any differences though.

The Lyra algorithm is the same, it just uses different parameters. Originally ZCoin had unsustainable parameters for Lyra, as explained here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1671060.msg16863305#msg16863305

If ZCoin didn't change the algo, it would have needed more and more memory and got slower and slower until most machines would not be able to do the hash.

Zoin had to change the original ZCoin algo for this reason.

It's nice that Zoin improved ZCoin. Why do we use Lyra2 here at all? Any adavantages? Would it be the same to use scrypt or X11 etc as PoW while still keeping the zerocoin features?

[theboccet]

Also dev what's the difference between lyra2 and lyra2-zoin? why create a different flavor? When I check the Lyra2 code, I don't see any differences though.

The Lyra algorithm is the same, it just uses different parameters. Originally ZCoin had unsustainable parameters for Lyra, as explained here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1671060.msg16863305#msg16863305

If ZCoin didn't change the algo, it would have needed more and more memory and got slower and slower until most machines would not be able to do the hash.

Zoin had to change the original ZCoin algo for this reason.

It's nice that Zoin improved ZCoin. Why do we use Lyra2 here at all? Any adavantages? Would it be the same to use scrypt or X11 etc as PoW while still keeping the zerocoin features?

If we look at history,zerocoin as a feature made to be implemented to Bitcoin so an sha256 coin.I think there is no change if it will be implemented to any other algo,it depends on the dev skills.

[zoin]

Also dev what's the difference between lyra2 and lyra2-zoin? why create a different flavor? When I check the Lyra2 code, I don't see any differences though.

The Lyra algorithm is the same, it just uses different parameters. Originally ZCoin had unsustainable parameters for Lyra, as explained here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1671060.msg16863305#msg16863305

If ZCoin didn't change the algo, it would have needed more and more memory and got slower and slower until most machines would not be able to do the hash.

Zoin had to change the original ZCoin algo for this reason.

It's nice that Zoin improved ZCoin. Why do we use Lyra2 here at all? Any adavantages? Would it be the same to use scrypt or X11 etc as PoW while still keeping the zerocoin features?

The algo could be changed yes. Lyra was kept because it is heavy on memory usage, which favours CPU mining and this could make GPU implementation inefficient. Previous versions of hash algos based on lyra2 used parameters that were too small to give problems for GPU. And ZCoins version was/is too extreme. We'll see what the outcome is, but if we decide to change the algo, it could be implemented as a hard fork.

[me1507]

hi dev, any ETA when we will on new exchange, at least Yobit, we need trade volume 

[matejbilahora]

hi dev, any ETA when we will on new exchange, at least Yobit, we need trade volume 

We need that dumpers stop dumping, there are two exchanges and both have the same reasults..

[me1507]

hi dev, any ETA when we will on new exchange, at least Yobit, we need trade volume 

We need that dumpers stop dumping, there are two exchanges and both have the same reasults..

You're right about dumpers, but in a very low trade volume on those 2 exchanges, it's very easy to manipulated the price to the floor, because there is no trade volume. That's why we need a bigger exchange and trade volume, to reach more investors and supporters.

[matejbilahora]

hi dev, any ETA when we will on new exchange, at least Yobit, we need trade volume 

We need that dumpers stop dumping, there are two exchanges and both have the same reasults..

You're right about dumpers, but in a very low trade volume on those 2 exchanges, it's very easy to manipulated the price to the floor, because there is no trade volume. That's why we need a bigger exchange and trade volume, to reach more investors and supporters.

Ok, so next exchange, C-cex and Yobit?

[valley365]

I created 10 zerocoins via console:

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/zoi/block.dws?4580.htm

Values than you can use:
mintzerocoin <amount>(1,10,25,50,100)

But how do you use the zerocoins? How to create untraceable transactions with it? I thought originally the Zoin itself will be used for the untraceable transactions...

[me1507]

hi dev, any ETA when we will on new exchange, at least Yobit, we need trade volume  

We need that dumpers stop dumping, there are two exchanges and both have the same reasults..

You're right about dumpers, but in a very low trade volume on those 2 exchanges, it's very easy to manipulated the price to the floor, because there is no trade volume. That's why we need a bigger exchange and trade volume, to reach more investors and supporters.

Ok, so next exchange, C-cex and Yobit?

one of them will be good, both are perfect  

[robelneo]

hi dev, any ETA when we will on new exchange, at least Yobit, we need trade volume 

We need that dumpers stop dumping, there are two exchanges and both have the same reasults..

You're right about dumpers, but in a very low trade volume on those 2 exchanges, it's very easy to manipulated the price to the floor, because there is no trade volume. That's why we need a bigger exchange and trade volume, to reach more investors and supporters.

Ok, so next exchange, C-cex and Yobit?

Yobit is a good place for zoincoin,because there are many traders here and I'm actively trade here all the other coins with similar algos like we are are doing good here with a lot of volume.
But there is a listing fee here I hope the dev can shoulder this one.

[matejbilahora]

hi dev, any ETA when we will on new exchange, at least Yobit, we need trade volume 

We need that dumpers stop dumping, there are two exchanges and both have the same reasults..

You're right about dumpers, but in a very low trade volume on those 2 exchanges, it's very easy to manipulated the price to the floor, because there is no trade volume. That's why we need a bigger exchange and trade volume, to reach more investors and supporters.

Ok, so next exchange, C-cex and Yobit?

Yobit is a good place for zoincoin,because there are many traders here and I'm actively trade here all the other coins with similar algos like we are are doing good here with a lot of volume.
But there is a listing fee here I hope the dev can shoulder this one.

Yes 0.1btc for listing. Well if we could get that together we can put Zoin at better exchange.

[fortunecrypto]

How do you know that you are mining using your wallet I entered setgeneratetrue-4 in the windows console
and is it still profitable to solo mine,having problems mining on pool the batch files won't work for me ..

[valley365]

I created 10 zerocoins via console:

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/zoi/block.dws?4580.htm

Values than you can use:
mintzerocoin <amount>(1,10,25,50,100)

But how do you use the zerocoins? How to create untraceable transactions with it? I thought originally the Zoin itself will be used for the untraceable transactions...

OK I got it by reading the previous posts... but why have to do these manually? I think GUI should provide a checkbox "send it untraceble" and then system will do the conversions back and forth internally, there's no need to reveal zerocoin explicitly as it is just for internal usage.

I created 10 zerocoins via console:

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/zoi/block.dws?4580.htm

Values than you can use:
mintzerocoin <amount>(1,10,25,50,100)

Guess your transaction shows 100 ZOI instead of 10?