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November 05, 2016, 07:06:42 PM
Last edit: November 09, 2016, 07:41:44 PM by chaser151
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Bitcoin market rate in CNY already falls below negative value compared to USD and EUR market.

Just like 2013, China gov uses "leak source" "local news" "rumors" to warn it's citizen about the incoming crack down actions on Chinese exchangers and sent out a clear and loud message: "Stay away from bitcoin now before the collapses. You have been warned."

Right now almost all top topics on Chinese bitcoin forum are about "Beware of the incoming gov/China central bank crack down on bitcoin". Still in denial? Ask your Chinese friends to read it for you.

There are also quite a lot Chinese mainstream media reported about this warning including:
《参考消息》 As the Chinese government's official news agency - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_News
《新华网》 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinhua_News_Agency
人民日报旗下的《国际金融报》 - sub agency of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Daily

Like it or not when these kinds of serious media report "things", it means it will become a reality in a short period in China.
Now, get ready for the incoming epic collapses for the Chinese fund cash out event.

There are also

http://www.cankaoxiaoxi.com/finance/20161104/1398956.shtml 中国将限制比特币兑美元 防止资金外流 China gonna limit bitcoin to stop capital outflows
http://news.xinhuanet.com/fortune/2016-11/03/c_129348631.htm 比特币交易变相换汇 风险重重 Bitcoin trading bypass China capital control
http://www.gfic.cn/2016/1103/5890032.shtml 单笔“换掉”500万元,用比特币转移人民币资产 Single trade with bitcoin, 5 millions CNY outflow beyond the borders

+many more reports:
http://finance.sina.com.cn/roll/2016-11-03/doc-ifxxnffr6697811.shtml
http://news.sina.com.cn/o/2016-11-10/doc-ifxxsfip4301214.shtml 比特币变相换汇恐遭限制 bitcoin bypass capital control, it might get limited
http://finance.jrj.com.cn/2016/11/03155121660993.shtml 政府考虑限制比特币变相换汇 China gov considering limit bitcoin for bypassing the capital control
http://epaper.jinghua.cn/html/2016-11/10/content_344422.htm 比特币变相换汇恐遭限制 bitcoin bypass capital control, it might get limited
https://hk.news.yahoo.com/%E6%AF%94%E7%89%B9%E5%B9%A3%E6%88%90%E8%B5%B0%E8%B3%87%E6%96%B0%E5%AF%B5-221127801--finance.html 比特幣成走資新寵
http://hk.apple.nextmedia.com/financeestate/art/20161104/19822241 人行擬堵塞比特幣走資
http://www.todaycommercialnews.com/economics/20855 傳內地堵比特幣走資- 加拿大商報Today Commercial News
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Bloomberg: https://i.imgur.com/AVQZ8Ku.gif

By Bloomberg News (Bloomberg) -- China’s regulators are studying measures to limit transactions that use bitcoins to take funds out of the country, according to people familiar with the matter. Officials are considering policies including restricting domestic bitcoin exchanges from moving the cryptocurrency to platforms outside the nation and imposing quotas on the amount of bitcoins that can be sent abroad, the people said. Regulators noticed recently that some investors bought bitcoins on local exchanges and sold them offshore, evading rules on foreign exchange and cross-border fund flows, the people added. They declined to be identified because the information isn’t public. Bitcoin has surged 21 percent since the end of September as the yuan’s declines accelerated, boosting speculation Chinese investors were buying the cryptocurrency as a hedge against further weakness. With the risk of quicker depreciation rising along with the odds of an impending U.S. interest-rate hike, policy makers are seeking to restrict outflow channels. Just a week ago, China limited the use of China UnionPay Co.’s cards to purchase insurance products in Hong Kong -- another way of taking cash out of the country. The digital currency erased a gain of as much of 2.6 percent before rising 0.8 percent to $736.22 as of 4:11 p.m. in Hong Kong, data compiled by Bloomberg show. The yuan has weakened 1.3 percent this quarter and was little changed on Thursday at 6.7618 a dollar. The government classified bitcoin as a commodity and not currency in 2013, placing it outside the purview of the foreign- exchange regulator, the people said. Several Chinese government bodies including the People’s Bank of China and the financial regulators said in a joint notice that year that bitcoin functioned like a digital commodity without the legal status of a currency. The central bank said in January it is studying the prospects of issuing its own digital currency and aims to roll out a product as soon as possible. The PBOC didn’t immediately respond to a faxed request for comment. While China dominates bitcoin mining and trading, the government has shown caution over its spread in the nation. In 2013, the PBOC barred financial institutions from handling bitcoin transactions.
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November 05, 2016, 08:14:46 PM
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There's a clique inside the ruling Chinese government that wants to put a brake on the btc price climbing too high. They have engaged in these clandestine "leakings" of the news to manipulate the prices. They may continue to suppress the price. They want to lower the price down to 400 this year. They are aiming for 300 in January 2017.

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November 05, 2016, 08:21:59 PM
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There's a clique inside the ruling Chinese government that wants to put a brake on the btc price climbing too high. They have engaged in these clandestine "leakings" of the news to manipulate the prices. They may continue to suppress the price. They want to lower the price down to 400 this year. They are aiming for 300 in January 2017.
what makes you think that they want to suppress the price of bitcoin to $300 ,what good is to the Chinese for strangling the price growth of bitcoin,i am sure the market reacted to these false news and there is no way these news are true ,These sort of FUD are created now and then when the price of bitcoin seems to move towards $1000 .
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November 05, 2016, 08:28:01 PM
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why aren't you keeping this to yourself and shorting? oh, wait....
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November 05, 2016, 08:32:21 PM
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The strange thing about this is: "restricting domestic bitcoin exchanges from moving the cryptocurrency to platforms outside the nation" - how come this can be done? Bitcoin addresses don't exist in or outside of China. I do believe that sooner or later the Chinese government will do something about bitcoin - but this ignorance about how bitcoin works shows that this warning is not really from any serious source.

And by they way - please link to those Chinese media reports that you mention - because you care to link to material about their reputation but not really to themselves this is kind of strange.
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November 05, 2016, 09:27:00 PM
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The strange thing about this is: "restricting domestic bitcoin exchanges from moving the cryptocurrency to platforms outside the nation" - how come this can be done? Bitcoin addresses don't exist in or outside of China. I do believe that sooner or later the Chinese government will do something about bitcoin - but this ignorance about how bitcoin works shows that this warning is not really from any serious source.

And by they way - please link to those Chinese media reports that you mention - because you care to link to material about their reputation but not really to themselves this is kind of strange.

Here you go in order of the list:

http://www.cankaoxiaoxi.com/finance/20161104/1398956.shtml 中国将限制比特币兑美元 防止资金外流 China gonna limit bitcoin to stop capital outflows
http://news.xinhuanet.com/fortune/2016-11/03/c_129348631.htm 比特币交易变相换汇 风险重重 Bitcoin trading bypass China capital control
http://www.gfic.cn/2016/1103/5890032.shtml 单笔“换掉”500万元,用比特币转移人民币资产 Single trade with bitcoin, 5 millions CNY outflow beyond the borders

+There are many more reports:
http://finance.sina.com.cn/roll/2016-11-03/doc-ifxxnffr6697811.shtml
https://hk.news.yahoo.com/%E6%AF%94%E7%89%B9%E5%B9%A3%E6%88%90%E8%B5%B0%E8%B3%87%E6%96%B0%E5%AF%B5-221127801--finance.html 比特幣成走資新寵
http://hk.apple.nextmedia.com/financeestate/art/20161104/19822241 人行擬堵塞比特幣走資
http://www.todaycommercialnews.com/economics/20855 傳內地堵比特幣走資- 加拿大商報Today Commercial News
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November 05, 2016, 10:00:58 PM
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Now that starts to look plausible.

Now - what would be the effect of this? This is very hard to evaluate - it might depress the price but it might as well lead to many Chinese people buying bitcoins while they can.
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November 05, 2016, 10:07:31 PM
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surely not positive. even if it's smoke and mirrors this time, it's 100% inevitable that it will happen some day. the chinese government ain't gonna sit back and watch a giant hole grow bigger. better it happens now and once and for all.

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November 05, 2016, 10:10:42 PM
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Now that starts to look plausible.

Now - what would be the effect of this? This is very hard to evaluate - it might depress the price but it might as well lead to many Chinese people buying bitcoins while they can.

These news are like a clear and loud warning. so when the gov / central bank do the actions, their citizen can't blame the authority.
"Don't say we didn't warn you. we did many times, you break the law and take the risk to gamble. this is what you get. blame no one."
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November 05, 2016, 10:11:05 PM
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surely not positive. even if it's smoke and mirrors this time, it's 100% inevitable that it will happen some day. the chinese government ain't gonna sit back and watch a giant hole grow bigger. better it happens now and once and for all.



Eventually this will suppress the price -but if people realize that this is their last occasion to buy bitcoins before the gov closed the exchanges - then this can result in a mega pump.
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November 05, 2016, 10:14:36 PM
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Eventually this will suppress the price -but if people realize that this is their last occasion to buy bitcoins before the gov closed the exchanges - then this can result in a mega pump.

from china? if i were in that situation i'd be having a mega dump and walking away somewhere around right about now if something like this was a dead cert.

we've yet to see how a vibrant ish bitcoin scene would weather some type of government strangulation, and forget trying to block the protocol, all you gotta do to deter 99% of people is shut the exchanges, but i don't think many people are gonna stick around for a money that has no use to them.
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November 05, 2016, 10:34:01 PM
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The chinks will have to try harder to create panic, I wouldn't mind some cheaper BTC
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November 05, 2016, 11:30:21 PM
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This thread = typical new account spam by lying Chinamen that can't cover their open shorts.

Date Registered:   Today at 06:59:48 PM

Look at "Talks_Cheep" post history.  He has 50 pages in a row of same garbage claiming price will go to 0 any second for 2 years straight.

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November 06, 2016, 12:45:17 AM
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There's a clique inside the ruling Chinese government that wants to put a brake on the btc price climbing too high. They have engaged in these clandestine "leakings" of the news to manipulate the prices. They may continue to suppress the price. They want to lower the price down to 400 this year. They are aiming for 300 in January 2017.
Are these state-sponsored leaks suppressing the value so the government or related officials can get in on the action, or are they trying to suppress it without receiving any direct gain from it? There's a lot to be known before anything can be determined.
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November 06, 2016, 12:49:46 AM
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Are these state-sponsored leaks suppressing the value so the government or related officials can get in on the action, or are they trying to suppress it without receiving any direct gain from it? There's a lot to be known before anything can be determined.

why the hell are you taking what he wrote seriously? he's some guy sitting in an apartment in america probably. what the hell would he know about the inner workings of the chinese government?

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November 06, 2016, 12:59:56 AM
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Are these state-sponsored leaks suppressing the value so the government or related officials can get in on the action, or are they trying to suppress it without receiving any direct gain from it? There's a lot to be known before anything can be determined.

why the hell are you taking what he wrote seriously? he's some guy sitting in an apartment in america probably. what the hell would he know about the inner workings of the chinese government?



Because it's the reality happening right now right at this moment in China.
Can't you see what have been changed in the China market? from +$40 premium price dropped to -$2/-$10 negative compare to usd eur market.
Chinese are getting out no matter you like or not and you know damn well what does that mean to the global bitcoin price.
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Because it's the reality happening right now right at this moment in China.  Can't you see what have been changed in the China market? from +$40 premium price dropped to -$2/-$10 negative compare to usd eur market.
Chinese are getting out no matter you like or not and you know damn well what does that mean to the global bitcoin price.

i'm not disputing any of that, i ain't got a clue, i just find it silly that someone swallows some random internet guy's postulation about there being a clique inside the chinese government with a calendar with the future price written on it.
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November 06, 2016, 02:41:38 AM
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The strange thing about this is: "restricting domestic bitcoin exchanges from moving the cryptocurrency to platforms outside the nation" - how come this can be done? Bitcoin addresses don't exist in or outside of China. I do believe that sooner or later the Chinese government will do something about bitcoin - but this ignorance about how bitcoin works shows that this warning is not really from any serious source.

And by they way - please link to those Chinese media reports that you mention - because you care to link to material about their reputation but not really to themselves this is kind of strange.

Here you go in order of the list:

http://www.cankaoxiaoxi.com/finance/20161104/1398956.shtml 中国将限制比特币兑美元 防止资金外流 China gonna limit bitcoin to stop capital outflows
http://news.xinhuanet.com/fortune/2016-11/03/c_129348631.htm 比特币交易变相换汇 风险重重 Bitcoin trading bypass China capital control
http://www.gfic.cn/2016/1103/5890032.shtml 单笔“换掉”500万元,用比特币转移人民币资产 Single trade with bitcoin, 5 millions CNY outflow beyond the borders

They are citing the Bloomberg article as the source. But that article was pulled.

Appears to me that the Chinese are trying to attack the public's confidence in Bitcoin, because they can't stop determined people from using Bitcoin to escape capital controls.

I don't expect any actual crackdown, just this FUD.
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November 06, 2016, 02:57:56 AM
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The strange thing about this is: "restricting domestic bitcoin exchanges from moving the cryptocurrency to platforms outside the nation" - how come this can be done? Bitcoin addresses don't exist in or outside of China. I do believe that sooner or later the Chinese government will do something about bitcoin - but this ignorance about how bitcoin works shows that this warning is not really from any serious source.

And by they way - please link to those Chinese media reports that you mention - because you care to link to material about their reputation but not really to themselves this is kind of strange.

Here you go in order of the list:

http://www.cankaoxiaoxi.com/finance/20161104/1398956.shtml 中国将限制比特币兑美元 防止资金外流 China gonna limit bitcoin to stop capital outflows
http://news.xinhuanet.com/fortune/2016-11/03/c_129348631.htm 比特币交易变相换汇 风险重重 Bitcoin trading bypass China capital control
http://www.gfic.cn/2016/1103/5890032.shtml 单笔“换掉”500万元,用比特币转移人民币资产 Single trade with bitcoin, 5 millions CNY outflow beyond the borders

They are citing the Bloomberg article as the source. But that article was pulled.

Appears to me that the Chinese are trying to attack the public's confidence in Bitcoin, because they can't stop determined people from using Bitcoin to escape capital controls.

I don't expect any actual crackdown, just this FUD.
just trying to make people to worried about bitcoin investment its really a good timing to wait for many panic seller for sure its a risky move but those who will believe about this news will try to liquidate their btc and whales will make some party about it.
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November 06, 2016, 03:11:56 AM
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It is always a good idea to give little consideration to FUD spread by newbie accounts, who usually have an agenda.

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