What are you all - Sheep?

[DGulari]

Why does everyone just stand around doing nothing while nullc / Blockstream / GMax takes over Bitcoin?

[Straux]

They aren't doing anything drastic. If there really was something wrong, we would've gotten rid of them a long time ago. Calm down.

[RocketSingh]

Why does everyone just stand around doing nothing while nullc / Blockstream / GMax takes over Bitcoin?

Required has been done to neuter Craig Steven Wright / Gavin Andresen / Mike Hearn.

[RawDog]

Why does everyone just stand around doing nothing while nullc / Blockstream / GMax takes over Bitcoin?

Required has been done to neuter Craig Steven Wright / Gavin Andresen / Mike Hearn.

RocketSingh = little lamb. 

[Kakmakr]

Why does everyone just stand around doing nothing while nullc / Blockstream / GMax takes over Bitcoin?

Did people say this when Gavin was in control and the Lead developer? People want their bread buttered on both sides. They complain that Bitcoin cannot scale to accommodate for mainstream adoption, and when someone develop something to address that, then they still complain about them.

SegWit and LN is probably not the best option, but it is better than nothing. Increasing the Block size to help with the scaling problem, will only increase the possibility that we will have a spam fest and more attacks on Bitcoin.

So what is your solution to the problem?

[kiklo]

Why does everyone just stand around doing nothing while nullc / Blockstream / GMax takes over Bitcoin?

Did people say this when Gavin was in control and the Lead developer? People want their bread buttered on both sides. They complain that Bitcoin cannot scale to accommodate for mainstream adoption, and when someone develop something to address that, then they still complain about them.

SegWit and LN is probably not the best option, but it is better than nothing. Increasing the Block size to help with the scaling problem, will only increase the possibility that we will have a spam fest and more attacks on Bitcoin.

So what is your solution to the problem?

LOL,

The solution is a Hard Fork either with
1. Larger Block Sizes
or
2. Faster BlockSpeeds

Either one or both would increase transactions capacity, but both are irrelevant as are the BTC Devs, none of them can do anything unless the Chinese Mining Pools that control over 51% of the hash agree to it. Which is why you see these non-solutions being offered. There is nothing they can really do without the Chinese stamp of approval.  


 

FYI:
https://blockchain.info/charts/mempool-size
BTC transactions are overloaded at the time of this post , with more than 2 hours going by without even 1 confirmation.
LTC is working with transactions to spare, Chinese control it too.   

[BitcoinBarrel]

"OMG I have to wait more than an hour some times to send my digital money"

[kiklo]

"OMG I have to wait more than an hour some times to send my digital money"

Nah,

use LTC ~15 minutes to get 6 confirmations, way faster than Bitcrap

 

[Killerpotleaf]

Why does everyone just stand around doing nothing while nullc / Blockstream / GMax takes over Bitcoin?

Did people say this when Gavin was in control and the Lead developer? People want their bread buttered on both sides. They complain that Bitcoin cannot scale to accommodate for mainstream adoption, and when someone develop something to address that, then they still complain about them.

SegWit and LN is probably not the best option, but it is better than nothing. Increasing the Block size to help with the scaling problem, will only increase the possibility that we will have a spam fest and more attacks on Bitcoin.

So what is your solution to the problem?

LOL,

The solution is a Hard Fork either with
1. Larger Block Sizes
or
2. Faster BlockSpeeds

Either one or both would increase transactions capacity, but both are irrelevant as are the BTC Devs, none of them can do anything unless the Chinese Mining Pools that control over 51% of the hash agree to it. Which is why you see these non-solutions being offered. There is nothing they can really do without the Chinese stamp of approval.  


 

FYI:
https://blockchain.info/charts/mempool-size
BTC transactions are overloaded at the time of this post , with more than 2 hours going by without even 1 confirmation.
LTC is working with transactions to spare, Chinese control it too.   

now, we wait and see if minners agree to work toward reducing the traffic on chain, by diverting TX to LN Via Segwit.

[Killerpotleaf]

"OMG I have to wait more than an hour some times to send my digital money"

Nah,

use LTC ~15 minutes to get 6 confirmations, way faster than Bitcrap

 

[franky1]

scaling:
the solution is not segwit or dynamic baseblocks.
it's both
EG
(Xmb base Xmb weight dynamic), default set to 2mb base 4mb weight to allow upgrade. and then consensus (independent node users vote) adjusts in own time. without dev spoonfeeding/controlling how or when

diversity vs centralisation:
the solution is not segwit or dynamic baseblocks. its not core or BU or classic or xt or knots, etc,
it's both, its all, its everyone included
all implementations should all have code for all features and then let consensus choose what features get utilised because all implementations can handle it, all on one chain
EG
core allows dynamic baseblocksize and segwit
classic, BU, etc includes segwit and dynamic blocksize

bloat/spam:
the solution is not to use the economic banker mindset of fee wars to control "spam" as thats just a barrier of entry for developing countries
its instead
limit sigops of transactions. as there is no rational need for a single user to need say 500-80,000 sigops in one tx.
its instead
use CODE for rules, not price tags/costs
its instead
lean clean transactional data.
its instead
not allowing arbitrary data to be added that has nothing to do with transaction/validation (even twitter/sms limits how much crap people can type and that is a communication tool. so its obvious bitcoin shouldnt be used for 2.2mb of non transactional waffle in the 4mb weight)


then the choice of "brand" implementation is not about which king should control the rules, but getting back to no king controls the rules, all "brands" are on a level playing field and the choice is then about bug risk or which has the better user interface.

split or no split:
it should never be a chain split debate. it should be about one mainnet utilising consensus.
EG if gmaxwell fears that a feature wont be popular, dont tell other implementations to intentionally fork off.. but instead code it, and then let consensus prove him right or wrong by seeing if it activates or not.

[CounterEntropy]

scaling:
the solution is not segwit or dynamic baseblocks.
it's both

Unfortunately, the most attractive dynamic blocksize proposal, i.e. BIP 106 has never been coded into any reference client.

[topesis]

The issue is a matter of trust, people believed they can move Bitcoin forward, the route they are taking may not satisfy everybody but we are not where we were yesterday with Bitcoin. Segregated Witness is gaining public support each day

[kiklo]

They better do something sooner rather than later.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1689151.0

What is the normal amount of bitcoins transactions in queue? Currently it is close to 30000 transactions.
I have a transaction waiting for over 16 hours now. It has a fee, so am I guarenteed that it will be confirmed?

view the queue length here
https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions

Or are the Bitcrap religionous fanatics going to say 16 hours delays and counting is good for you.  





 

[Velkro]

They aren't doing anything drastic. If there really was something wrong, we would've gotten rid of them a long time ago. Calm down.

Agree, people stand for their rights when their rights are abused HARD.
If only soft, people just continue to live their lives.
In politics same stuff.

[gentlemand]

I don't even know how a radio continues to work when you shut the window so I'll leave things like this to those with greater knowledge.

Are there agendas at work? You bet. How informed are those agendas by technical worries versus ideology? I do not have a bleedin' clue.

[davis196]

Why does everyone just stand around doing nothing while nullc / Blockstream / GMax takes over Bitcoin?

And what should we do?

Do you have any suggestions,any ideas?How to control blockstream,GMax etc.....

First come up with a plan,then call everyone sheep.

[kiklo]

Why does everyone just stand around doing nothing while nullc / Blockstream / GMax takes over Bitcoin?

And what should we do?

Do you have any suggestions,any ideas?How to control blockstream,GMax etc.....

First come up with a plan,then call everyone sheep.

Easy answer , everyone dump BTC for one of the Alts.
Problem solved. 


 

[lottery248]

this thread is for general discussion about bitcoins, i mean, please no hybrid between bitcoins, litecoins, Trump's, and too much more, that's leads me feel that this thread comes to be off topic.

[kiklo]

this thread is for general discussion about bitcoins, i mean, please no hybrid between bitcoins, litecoins, Trump's, and too much more, that's leads me feel that this thread comes to be off topic.

See that is the problem , ALTs are able to out perform BTC and instead of jumping in the BTC Dev and Mining pools mess,
people are just frighten it is off topic. That is why nothing gets done. Op was right.